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Post by stc13 on May 12, 2020 11:35:31 GMT -5
Considering that WWE literally will randomly drop storylines from week to week or just pretend like things never happened, I find it laughable that they're worried about keeping Hunter strong for something a year out. This is the same company that needs to show you highlights of what happened 5 minutes earlier like their audience has the memory of a goldfish. Considering they planted the seed for the match before the end of that very same show, they've planned Rock WM matches a year in advance before, Rock has confirmed he was in talks to have a program with Triple H at 32, and that it's been reported that was the initial plan for the tag match, it's rather obvious that was the direction they were headed.
Obviously they have mapped out big matches, and it was pretty obvious they were setting the stage with that interaction for what eventually became the Angle/Rousey match. My point is that whether Sting won or didn't win would have been irrelevant for the build to an event a year away. "Keeping Hunter strong" means nothing in a company where they champion 50/50 booking and regularly throw major programs together with weeks of build. You can't completely throw coherent storytelling out the window 90% of the time, and then come use strong storytelling as justification for a crap decision. Whether Sting won or Hunter won would have absolutely zero impact on how a Rock/Rousey vs Hunter/Steph match was perceived a year later.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 12, 2020 11:41:02 GMT -5
I understand the business side of it, wanting to space things out to get as much bang for your buck...but too many times its biting company's in the rear. JAKKS had the same problem, we never got an accurate early nWo Hollywood hogan. They put him in a tiny torso tshirt mold and then made him later on after he joined the Wolfpac.
As soon as you get the rights/ok, you should pump out the #1 look of a star. Then sprinkle in the random looks, and then go back to the top attires. In Stings case there really is no reason that a neon pink and/or green attire shouldn't have been released in the Elite line. There was more then enough time.
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Post by Chip on May 12, 2020 12:14:18 GMT -5
the reason the DM Great American Bash Sting sucked was that god awful coat. Nobody likes those plastic coats that leave your figure completely immobile from the waist up....they look ridiculous on display, and when the regular Elite WCW Sting came with both that coat, a display stand AND a WCW belt...made the DM GAB Sting look even worse
that GAB Sting should have come with a soft goods coat from the jump, the headscan was terrible but at least if it had a better coat it would have been a better figure
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Post by Artie Kendall on May 12, 2020 12:30:50 GMT -5
I understand the business side of it, wanting to space things out to get as much bang for your buck...but too many times its biting company's in the rear. JAKKS had the same problem, we never got an accurate early nWo Hollywood hogan. They put him in a tiny torso tshirt mold and then made him later on after he joined the Wolfpac. As soon as you get the rights/ok, you should pump out the #1 look of a star. Then sprinkle in the random looks, and then go back to the top attires. In Stings case there really is no reason that a neon pink and/or green attire shouldn't have been released in the Elite line. There was more then enough time. Design/attire choices aside, I'm still stunned by what Jakks was able to pull off in five years in terms of talent. And that was on top of whatever other lines they were doing that I didn't follow. As for Sting, I always wanted his GAB attire from the match with Meng.
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Post by stc13 on May 12, 2020 12:42:04 GMT -5
I understand the business side of it, wanting to space things out to get as much bang for your buck...but too many times its biting company's in the rear. JAKKS had the same problem, we never got an accurate early nWo Hollywood hogan. They put him in a tiny torso tshirt mold and then made him later on after he joined the Wolfpac. As soon as you get the rights/ok, you should pump out the #1 look of a star. Then sprinkle in the random looks, and then go back to the top attires. In Stings case there really is no reason that a neon pink and/or green attire shouldn't have been released in the Elite line. There was more then enough time. Design/attire choices aside, I'm still stunned by what Jakks was able to pull off in five years in terms of talent. And that was on top of whatever other lines they were doing that I didn't follow. As for Sting, I always wanted his GAB attire from the match with Meng. I think a lot of it had to do with Jakks being able to sign wrestlers directly, and being able to plan backwards. If you knew you knew there were X looks of a wrestler, then you needed to have him signed for Y months. With WWE handling all contracts, we have to hope that they are being given accurate info on how long contracts are for or when they are expiring while planning figures a year in advance. And who knows what issues come up with WWE not approving a figure that we'll never hear about. I love the Sting figures we did get, and the BATB Elite is one of my favorite figures overall. But I do wish Sting would have been on that Warrior/Macho/HBK level of having multiple Elites each year.
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Post by crush on May 12, 2020 14:41:18 GMT -5
As soon as you get the rights/ok, you should pump out the #1 look of a star. Then sprinkle in the random looks, and then go back to the top attires. In Stings case there really is no reason that a neon pink and/or green attire shouldn't have been released in the Elite line. There was more then enough time. I'd argue they did pump out the #1 looks first (97-era crow Sting and GAB Surfer). My bigger issue is that either the Network Spotlight orange surfer or Basic 62 neon green surfer should have been in the Elite line and the Elite 62 Sting should have been a basic.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 15:08:50 GMT -5
I give them a C grade for their production of Sting figures. The plastic coats actually broke the hand off my Sting figure trying to take the coat off. GAB Sting's face is ridiculous -- that never should have passed production approval. The DM Sting is cool -- if you never take the coat off because he has a 12 year old boy torso with roid arms. The Wolfpack Sting is decent, I'll give them that. I think basic Network Spotlight one might be the best executed ... so there we are, they never really did Sting the right way.
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Post by taserface on May 12, 2020 15:30:34 GMT -5
It’s not just Sting. Mattel finds a way to NOT do sure fire sellers of top tier talant
They have had Razor Ramon / Scott Hall under contract for at least 5 or 6 years. We get a Elite Razor in 2015 and now just getting the 2nd Elite in 2020!? There’s nothing they can say to make that acceptable
The same with Ric Flair. One in 2014, one in ‘15(?) in the box set, the DM in ‘17 and one in ‘19 at GameStop He’s one of the top 5 biggest names ever in wrestling history, and we can’t get more than 4 Elites in 6 years?
I love most of what Mattel puts out, but a lot of decisions they made / make are very questionable
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on May 12, 2020 15:34:30 GMT -5
I definitely wish they got out a few more Elite Stings, but the first DM is one of my favorite Mattel figures and I like the elite surfer Stings we got, minus the coats. Will be interesting to see if he does sign with AEW what figures they'd put out. The TNA legends of the ring line was able to even put out WWF attires.
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on May 12, 2020 15:39:09 GMT -5
It’s not just Sting. Mattel finds a way to NOT do sure fire sellers of top tier talant They have had Razor Ramon / Scott Hall under contract for at least 5 or 6 years. We get a Elite Razor in 2015 and now just getting the 2nd Elite in 2020!? There’s nothing they can say to make that acceptable The same with Ric Flair. One in 2014, one in ‘15(?) in the box set, the DM in ‘17 and one in ‘19 at GameStop He’s one of the top 5 biggest names ever in wrestling history, and we can’t get more than 4 Elites in 6 years? I love most of what Mattel puts out, but a lot of decisions they made / make are very questionable To be fair, we got 3 Scott Hall elites in that time too, and a handful of basics for both characters. Also we got the Flashback Razor, unless you're specifically talking about ring gear attires.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on May 12, 2020 15:40:01 GMT -5
the reason the DM Great American Bash Sting sucked was that god awful coat. Nobody likes those plastic coats that leave your figure completely immobile from the waist up....they look ridiculous on display, and when the regular Elite WCW Sting came with both that coat, a display stand AND a WCW belt...made the DM GAB Sting look even worse that GAB Sting should have come with a soft goods coat from the jump, the headscan was terrible but at least if it had a better coat it would have been a better figure Well Bill told us a cloth jacket was never gonna happen because the tassels would’ve been too small to not be a choking hazard. So in a pre-Ultimate Edition world we were gonna get that awful plastic jacket or no jacket at all
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Post by marvelelite on May 12, 2020 15:49:02 GMT -5
Considering that WWE literally will randomly drop storylines from week to week or just pretend like things never happened, I find it laughable that they're worried about keeping Hunter strong for something a year out. This is the same company that needs to show you highlights of what happened 5 minutes earlier like their audience has the memory of a goldfish. I’m not saying it was the right decision, I’m saying at that moment they prioritized the rock and Ronda over Sting. It wasn’t this whole anti WCW embarrassment of Sting thing that the internet has made up. It really isn't made up when Arn Andersen says Vince was telling the announcers to bury Sting during the match, and they had make the match about WCW vs WWF.
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Post by taserface on May 12, 2020 15:49:34 GMT -5
It’s not just Sting. Mattel finds a way to NOT do sure fire sellers of top tier talant They have had Razor Ramon / Scott Hall under contract for at least 5 or 6 years. We get a Elite Razor in 2015 and now just getting the 2nd Elite in 2020!? There’s nothing they can say to make that acceptable The same with Ric Flair. One in 2014, one in ‘15(?) in the box set, the DM in ‘17 and one in ‘19 at GameStop He’s one of the top 5 biggest names ever in wrestling history, and we can’t get more than 4 Elites in 6 years? I love most of what Mattel puts out, but a lot of decisions they made / make are very questionable To be fair, we got 3 Scott Hall elites in that time too, and a handful of basics for both characters. Also we got the Flashback Razor, unless you're specifically talking about ring gear attires. You’re right about the suited Razor 🤦♂️ Completely forgot (I disregard that one personally) But I’ll stand by my statement. They need to pump out more of these characters. Especially someone like Hall (and Nash & Flair). They are liable to screw up at anytime and get let go, or something go wrong.
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Post by stc13 on May 12, 2020 16:04:18 GMT -5
It’s not just Sting. Mattel finds a way to NOT do sure fire sellers of top tier talant They have had Razor Ramon / Scott Hall under contract for at least 5 or 6 years. We get a Elite Razor in 2015 and now just getting the 2nd Elite in 2020!? There’s nothing they can say to make that acceptable The same with Ric Flair. One in 2014, one in ‘15(?) in the box set, the DM in ‘17 and one in ‘19 at GameStop He’s one of the top 5 biggest names ever in wrestling history, and we can’t get more than 4 Elites in 6 years? I love most of what Mattel puts out, but a lot of decisions they made / make are very questionable To be fair, we got 3 Scott Hall elites in that time too, and a handful of basics for both characters. Also we got the Flashback Razor, unless you're specifically talking about ring gear attires. It's really easy to armchair quarterback on this. And we have no way of knowing what kind of direction Mattel is getting from WWE or retailers. But the attire choices going to Day 1 of the line have been questionable. Hall's 2002 run was such a forgettable trainwreck. Did I buy the figure and am happy to have it in my collection? Sure. Same with the street gear figure. It's pretty easy to gauge what the community is clamoring for. And those looks weren't even in the conversation. Even now, we're getting a pretty random and forgettable attire. I was a big Razor fan, but had to go look up when he wore the blue gear when it was shown. I think most people think of him in green or red, or even yellow. So why not go with either of those? Who knows if/when they'll release another Razor figure. These are real people whose contracts come and go, not comic characters who will be available in perpetuity. I think some of us are just baffled by the strategy behind these lines, and the canned response seems to be "bummer, maybe they'll become available to us in the future." While it's a different market, I think Hasbro has shown that there are plenty of ways to release most desired attires early in a line and continue to milk dollars out of big name characters. So it does get very frustrating to be get lesser attires over and over while they withhold the look that is most requested.
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Post by LA Times on May 12, 2020 16:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on May 12, 2020 16:17:38 GMT -5
the reason the DM Great American Bash Sting sucked was that god awful coat. Nobody likes those plastic coats that leave your figure completely immobile from the waist up....they look ridiculous on display, and when the regular Elite WCW Sting came with both that coat, a display stand AND a WCW belt...made the DM GAB Sting look even worse that GAB Sting should have come with a soft goods coat from the jump, the headscan was terrible but at least if it had a better coat it would have been a better figure Well Bill told us a cloth jacket was never gonna happen because the tassels would’ve been too small to not be a choking hazard. So in a pre-Ultimate Edition world we were gonna get that awful plastic jacket or no jacket at all First time I'm reading that explanation. Interesting how tassels stitched to a cloth jacket would be considered a choking hazard but something like Undertaker's urn or the baseball cap that came with Dusty can be cleared.
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 12, 2020 16:18:25 GMT -5
To be fair, we got 3 Scott Hall elites in that time too, and a handful of basics for both characters. Also we got the Flashback Razor, unless you're specifically talking about ring gear attires. It's really easy to armchair quarterback on this. And we have no way of knowing what kind of direction Mattel is getting from WWE or retailers. But the attire choices going to Day 1 of the line have been questionable. Hall's 2002 run was such a forgettable trainwreck. Did I buy the figure and am happy to have it in my collection? Sure. Same with the street gear figure. It's pretty easy to gauge what the community is clamoring for. And those looks weren't even in the conversation. Even now, we're getting a pretty random and forgettable attire. I was a big Razor fan, but had to go look up when he wore the blue gear when it was shown. I think most people think of him in green or red, or even yellow. So why not go with either of those? Who knows if/when they'll release another Razor figure. These are real people whose contracts come and go, not comic characters who will be available in perpetuity. I think some of us are just baffled by the strategy behind these lines, and the canned response seems to be "bummer, maybe they'll become available to us in the future." While it's a different market, I think Hasbro has shown that there are plenty of ways to release most desired attires early in a line and continue to milk dollars out of big name characters. So it does get very frustrating to be get lesser attires over and over while they withhold the look that is most requested. I think they did well with Scott Hall? No? I feel like they could be done Hall and we got everything. Razor on the other hand has many more they could pump out.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on May 12, 2020 16:29:12 GMT -5
Well Bill told us a cloth jacket was never gonna happen because the tassels would’ve been too small to not be a choking hazard. So in a pre-Ultimate Edition world we were gonna get that awful plastic jacket or no jacket at all First time I'm reading that explanation. Interesting how tassels stitched to a cloth jacket would be considered a choking hazard but something like Undertaker's urn or the baseball cap that came with Dusty can be cleared. It was a long time ago. 2015 or 2016 at the time of release when he said it. Everyone was upset Macho got cloth with tassels and Sting didn’t. The reasoning was Macho had bigger tassels and less of them while Sting had a bunch of really small ones
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Post by ztj_wwf on May 12, 2020 16:46:17 GMT -5
I really hope his contract just expired and they have yet to negotiate another deal with everything that's going on...Seems to me that AEW bringing Sting in without even a crowd to react to him would just be a waste.
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Post by PJ on May 12, 2020 16:55:49 GMT -5
I had no issues with that jacket. Displays great. I glued the tassels to the back of the coat. And I still have no problems adding and removing those jackets.
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