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Post by TheHitmanKid on Feb 23, 2021 11:47:39 GMT -5
Miz stated he should be on wrestling's Mt. Rushmore along side Hogan and Cena, since he's the first 2 time WWE Grand Slam Champion.
Do you agree?
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Post by JOEJOEJOEJOE on Feb 23, 2021 11:49:53 GMT -5
are you being serious
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Feb 23, 2021 12:34:31 GMT -5
That's an absurd notion, even from a kayfabe standpoint
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Post by Yambag Jones on Feb 23, 2021 13:24:51 GMT -5
lol
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Post by sharpshooter on Feb 23, 2021 13:25:23 GMT -5
No.
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Biff Slamkovich™
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Feb 23, 2021 14:04:06 GMT -5
That's an absurd notion, even from a kayfabe standpoint This.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 23, 2021 14:06:09 GMT -5
How is Miz the first when Jericho is a 6 time World Champion, 9 time IC Champion, European Champion, 2 time US Champion, I lost count at how many WWF, WWE, Raw and Smackdown Tag Titles he's had over the years.
I guess being in AEW eliminates past history accomplishments in the WWE.
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Post by robbutler01 on Feb 23, 2021 14:17:38 GMT -5
100% no. Met him and he's a great guy. Hes improved massively over the years and is good by today's standard but in no way an all time great.
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Post by k5 on Feb 23, 2021 14:30:55 GMT -5
dude is a toad. he would've been a great manager though
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Feb 23, 2021 14:33:16 GMT -5
He's in the upper depths of all timers. Top 50-35 range
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Post by rowdy1971 on Feb 23, 2021 14:50:59 GMT -5
Sure, why not.
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Post by k5 on Feb 23, 2021 14:56:26 GMT -5
He's in the upper depths of all timers. Top 50-35 range 1. Junkyard dog 2. Ric Flair 3. Bret Hart 4. Owen Hart 5. British Bulldog 6. Harley Race 7. Barry Windham 8. Curt Hennig 9. Rick Rude 10. Chris Jericho 11. Eddie Guerrero 12. Dusty Rhodes 13. Vader 14. Triple H 15. The Undertaker 16. The Rock 17. Yokozuna 18. Shawn Michaels 19. Mick Foley 20. Ricky Steamboat 21. Bam Bam Bigelow 22. Macho Man Randy Savage 23. Roddy Piper 24. Terry Funk 25. Paul Orndorff 26. Scott Hall 27. Kane 28. Tully Blanchard 29. Arn Anderson 30. Brock Lesnar 31. Rey Mysterio Jr 32. John Cena 33. Randy Orton 34. Bruno Sammartino 35. Superstar Billy Graham 36. Ernie Ladd 37. Jeff Hardy 38. Steve Austin 39. Hulk Hogan 40. Ted DiBiase 41. Andre the Giant 42. Sting 43. Lex Luger 44. Ricky Morton 45. Robert Gibson 46. Edge 47. Kurt Angle 48. Kevin Nash 49. Booker T 50. Scott Steiner that's off the top of my head and limited to North American promotion's talent. cmon guys, miz couldn't tie their boots.
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Feb 23, 2021 15:30:23 GMT -5
Point: He is NOT, by any stretch, on any wrestling Mount Rushmore.
That said,
Miz has a stigma from his early career that most fans cannot seem to forget. He was put in situations he was clearly not ready for (in ring and behind the scenes) He is never going to be in the class of a Flair or Michaels or Hart or whomever you put up there as the best workers of all time.
But he does not suck. For the last 5-6 years, Miz has been as steady an in-ring guy as they have. Not as good as some, but nowhere near as bad as others.
I first noticed it in a PPV fatal four way with Owens, Cesaro and Zayn (I think). he was the only Non-ROH/Indy guy in there. His style was different. I remember him just bumping for everyone's stuff and making every move they gave look spot-on perfect. It was one of those cases where if you just watched the match as a fan, he got his ass kicked. but a closer look showed how vital he was to making the match look good and getting over. I don't even remember who won, but I remember being shocked that Miz had a good match.
Since then, I have paid more attention to him in ring. He's been a constant presence.
He isn't going to go out and carry anyone to a 5 star classic, but put him in the ring with someone who can handle their half of the load, he is capable of having very good matches every time out. He's been in the ring with numerous top talents Rollins, Balor, Bryan, Owens, Cesaro, etc... and never once looks out of place.
He's the definition of a "B+ player" and every company needs those. He's got enough cache now to slide him into a main event scene and not lookout of place. He can also slide down the card and make almost anyone look good.
Plus, he is dynamic on the mic. He is a fantastic smarmy heel that you want to see punched in the face. His facial expressions are top notch. He has charisma. He is engaging to listen to. I'm sure by Mania, he'll have me ready to see Bunny tear into him.
Don't underestimate Miz. He's having a fantastic career and is a much better wrestler than he gets credit for.
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Post by Warriah' on Feb 23, 2021 15:47:10 GMT -5
Miz wouldn't even be in the top 500...
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Post by JOEJOEJOEJOE on Feb 23, 2021 15:53:41 GMT -5
Ten years from now everybody’s gonna look back and remember The Miz as a solid promo and a top guy from the PG/Reality era but he will never be a top 100 wrestler of all time
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 23, 2021 15:56:54 GMT -5
Not even close. To me, he’ll always stand out as one of the better midcarders of an era that saw historic losses in viewship. Above average on the mic but average at best literally everywhere else. Probably earned more accomplishments than his skills deemed worthy due to how loyal he is.
If someone wins a world title, I usually try to picture them winning it in any other era. For most former world champs, I can do that. With Miz, he’s one of the guys I just cannot see winning a world title in any other decade than the past 10 years. I’ve never bought him as a main eventer and it’s a shame that guys like Piper, Perfect, Razor, Owen, Luger, Christian, and Booker T have never held the WWE Title yet Miz has done it twice.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Feb 23, 2021 16:04:59 GMT -5
He's in the upper depths of all timers. Top 50-35 range 1. Junkyard dog 2. Ric Flair 3. Bret Hart 4. Owen Hart 5. British Bulldog 6. Harley Race 7. Barry Windham 8. Curt Hennig 9. Rick Rude 10. Chris Jericho 11. Eddie Guerrero 12. Dusty Rhodes 13. Vader 14. Triple H 15. The Undertaker 16. The Rock 17. Yokozuna 18. Shawn Michaels 19. Mick Foley 20. Ricky Steamboat 21. Bam Bam Bigelow 22. Macho Man Randy Savage 23. Roddy Piper 24. Terry Funk 25. Paul Orndorff 26. Scott Hall 27. Kane 28. Tully Blanchard 29. Arn Anderson 30. Brock Lesnar 31. Rey Mysterio Jr 32. John Cena 33. Randy Orton 34. Bruno Sammartino 35. Superstar Billy Graham 36. Ernie Ladd 37. Jeff Hardy 38. Steve Austin 39. Hulk Hogan 40. Ted DiBiase 41. Andre the Giant 42. Sting 43. Lex Luger 44. Ricky Morton 45. Robert Gibson 46. Edge 47. Kurt Angle 48. Kevin Nash 49. Booker T 50. Scott Steiner that's off the top of my head and limited to North American promotion's talent. cmon guys, miz couldn't tie their boots. Okay, 51 then
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 23, 2021 16:15:33 GMT -5
1. Junkyard dog 2. Ric Flair 3. Bret Hart 4. Owen Hart 5. British Bulldog 6. Harley Race 7. Barry Windham 8. Curt Hennig 9. Rick Rude 10. Chris Jericho 11. Eddie Guerrero 12. Dusty Rhodes 13. Vader 14. Triple H 15. The Undertaker 16. The Rock 17. Yokozuna 18. Shawn Michaels 19. Mick Foley 20. Ricky Steamboat 21. Bam Bam Bigelow 22. Macho Man Randy Savage 23. Roddy Piper 24. Terry Funk 25. Paul Orndorff 26. Scott Hall 27. Kane 28. Tully Blanchard 29. Arn Anderson 30. Brock Lesnar 31. Rey Mysterio Jr 32. John Cena 33. Randy Orton 34. Bruno Sammartino 35. Superstar Billy Graham 36. Ernie Ladd 37. Jeff Hardy 38. Steve Austin 39. Hulk Hogan 40. Ted DiBiase 41. Andre the Giant 42. Sting 43. Lex Luger 44. Ricky Morton 45. Robert Gibson 46. Edge 47. Kurt Angle 48. Kevin Nash 49. Booker T 50. Scott Steiner that's off the top of my head and limited to North American promotion's talent. cmon guys, miz couldn't tie their boots. Okay, 51 then Try again.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Feb 23, 2021 16:20:54 GMT -5
He's in the upper depths of all timers. Top 350-500 rangeI agree.
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Post by Warriah' on Feb 23, 2021 16:39:02 GMT -5
Not even close. To me, he’ll always stand out as one of the better midcarders of an era that saw historic losses in viewship. Above average on the mic but average at best literally everywhere else. Probably earned more accomplishments than his skills deemed worthy due to how loyal he is. If someone wins a world title, I usually try to picture them winning it in any other era. For most former world champs, I can do that. With Miz, he’s one of the guys I just cannot see winning a world title in any other decade than the past 10 years. I’ve never bought him as a main eventer and it’s a shame that guys like Piper, Perfect, Razor, Owen, Luger, Christian, and Booker T have never held the WWE Title yet Miz has done it twice. Aside from Batista and Brock I can't really imagine many from the past decade. Like Roman isn't as good a worker as Fatu or Samu. Bryan, Punk, Ambrose aren't ascending to the top in eras where guys like Shamrock, Billy Gunn, Owen Hart, Mr Perfect or Roddy Piper are midcarders.
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