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Post by cldbld on Oct 3, 2022 9:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by Jeremiah on Oct 3, 2022 9:45:33 GMT -5
They will likely have him change a few things. Greedy bi=ch
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Post by Andeh on Oct 3, 2022 10:24:21 GMT -5
Personally I don't think you should hold copyright on a design when you willingly transfer it onto another individuals body. Punks where different, the tattoo artist never owned the designs in the first place. This is like selling a painting to a gallery and then demanding a cut of their future profits. Bizzare imo
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Post by viper412 on Oct 3, 2022 10:30:02 GMT -5
Says work from 2003 to 2008
If they have to take it off inside of changing it then it’s a wrap, that’s most of his arm sleeves
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Oct 3, 2022 10:40:44 GMT -5
Punk has Pepsi and GI Joe logos tatted on him so Mattel and video games just modified them. Mattel and 2K better do the same with Orton.
Also, why did the lady wait until 2018 to do anything when Orton has had the majority of his tattoos since way before then? He’s had most of them since what, late 2000s? He’s been in every WWE game for probably the last 15 years at least and has had multiple action figures released.
Then what about Orton? He paid for the tattoos. It’s not like he got the tattoos to increase his finances because of her work.
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Post by NoseBleedcollectibles on Oct 3, 2022 10:48:17 GMT -5
I don’t need more ortons anyway
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Post by underoos on Oct 3, 2022 13:06:23 GMT -5
Orton figs can stop now
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Oct 3, 2022 13:12:35 GMT -5
Punk has Pepsi and GI Joe logos tatted on him so Mattel and video games just modified them. Mattel and 2K better do the same with Orton. Also, why did the lady wait until 2018 to do anything when Orton has had the majority of his tattoos since way before then? He’s had most of them since what, late 2000s? He’s been in every WWE game for probably the last 15 years at least and has had multiple action figures released. Then what about Orton? He paid for the tattoos. It’s not like he got the tattoos to increase his finances because of her work. Article says she warned them a few years back. I think it's because lawsuits take forever. What I don't get is this, when you tattoo someone aren't you selling your art to them? Or maybe she had the rights for profit in small scripture under a contract? I get this argument, if I sell a painting to someone and they decide to reproduce and then profit off of my work. I'd be pissed. Someone who knows about legalities should explain this to us... Does this also raise questions with any other superstars with tattoos??? This is interesting. Also, Mattel never included Punk's Cobra/Spitfire/Pepsi tattoos. They just left them out. AEW/Jakks did modify them though. |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 3, 2022 13:29:11 GMT -5
I saw she was only awarded less than $4,000 so if they have to pay royalties it can’t be that much. Or at least in my mind
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Post by crush on Oct 3, 2022 13:31:11 GMT -5
Punk has Pepsi and GI Joe logos tatted on him so Mattel and video games just modified them. Mattel and 2K better do the same with Orton. Also, why did the lady wait until 2018 to do anything when Orton has had the majority of his tattoos since way before then? He’s had most of them since what, late 2000s? He’s been in every WWE game for probably the last 15 years at least and has had multiple action figures released. Then what about Orton? He paid for the tattoos. It’s not like he got the tattoos to increase his finances because of her work. Article says she warned them a few years back. I think it's because lawsuits take forever. What I don't get is this, when you tattoo someone aren't you selling your art to them? Or maybe she had the rights for profit in small scripture under a contract? I get this argument, if I sell a painting to someone and they decide to reproduce and then profit off of my work. I'd be pissed. Someone who knows about legalities should explain this to us... Does this also raise questions with any other superstars with tattoos??? This is interesting. Also, Mattel never included Punk's Cobra/Spitfire/Pepsi tattoos. They just left them out. AEW/Jakks did modify them though. Also apparently part of the issue, at least from what I've read, is that one of the 2 games had Orton's tattoo designs in the creation suite, which had then as a standalone design as opposed to being part of Orton's appearance. Anyway, as someone whose (comparatively to most) heavily tattooed both with original work and trademarked logos and etc., I find this fascinating. |
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Post by cldbld on Oct 3, 2022 14:35:00 GMT -5
I sorta agree, I don't need anymore elites, I do want an ultimate though. |
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Post by cldbld on Oct 3, 2022 14:36:12 GMT -5
I saw she was only awarded less than $4,000 so if they have to pay royalties it can’t be that much. Or at least in my mind Yeah, this is Mattel though 😂 |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 3, 2022 14:45:46 GMT -5
I saw she was only awarded less than $4,000 so if they have to pay royalties it can’t be that much. Or at least in my mind Yeah, this is Mattel though 😂 lol true |
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Post by CM Tusk on Oct 3, 2022 14:48:55 GMT -5
Ok but give me my Ultimate 2004 Backlash Orton.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Oct 3, 2022 15:57:31 GMT -5
Article says she warned them a few years back. I think it's because lawsuits take forever. What I don't get is this, when you tattoo someone aren't you selling your art to them? Or maybe she had the rights for profit in small scripture under a contract? I get this argument, if I sell a painting to someone and they decide to reproduce and then profit off of my work. I'd be pissed. Someone who knows about legalities should explain this to us... Does this also raise questions with any other superstars with tattoos??? This is interesting. Also, Mattel never included Punk's Cobra/Spitfire/Pepsi tattoos. They just left them out. AEW/Jakks did modify them though. Also apparently part of the issue, at least from what I've read, is that one of the 2 games had Orton's tattoo designs in the creation suite, which had then as a standalone design as opposed to being part of Orton's appearance. Anyway, as someone whose (comparatively to most) heavily tattooed both with original work and trademarked logos and etc., I find this fascinating. This is odd. I swore the create-a-wrestler options were the actual issue and websites were adding to the story beyond that. Either way, it’ll come down to tattoo artists copyrighting the images prior to merchandise being made I would think. |
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Post by kanepilk on Oct 3, 2022 16:13:10 GMT -5
We'll see Orton suddenly getting some new tattoos to cover anything inflammatory, I'd say.
I do agree though that there should be a bit of flexibility here - you surely can't claim copyright on a tattoo design if it's been made as a commission, by request, for someone else, and then is permanently etched onto their body in a manner where it is going to be publicly visible.
I'm a photographer, and if WWE used my photos, I'd want payment, for sure. But they'd have the option of not using them. Tattoos are very different, though.
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Post by Chip on Oct 3, 2022 16:58:13 GMT -5
we are getting to a point where lawsuits are REALLY  ing ridiculous. a waste of time, energy and money. |
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Post by hbkowns on Oct 4, 2022 13:02:05 GMT -5
This thing has been going back and forth in court for years and the tattoo artist only got awarded $4K? Jesus, hope it was worth it.
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Post by kanepilk on Oct 4, 2022 15:33:31 GMT -5
The artist didn't even get 4k, she got $3,750. I just flicked through it and it appears that they are saying that is how much the tattoos were "worth", but they couldn't try and actually claim for any more money than that, because they couldn't demonstrate that WWE actually profited or made any money from the tattoos being present in the video games/figures/etc.
Which makes sense. Nobody is rushing out to buy WWE 2k22 because of a tattoo that features. I would assume, though, that the hope was to get more money just because WWE did actually break the law and admitted to copyright infringement (which, in all fairness, the artist really should have gotten a decent pay-day for, unless it was demonstrable that WWE genuinely didn't realise they were breaking the law, which is surely doubtful considering they've a legal team for this exact kind of thing).
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Post by shanieomaniac on Oct 6, 2022 23:14:47 GMT -5
If Randy does return (there's speculation on his back injury that might prevent it) I honestly suspect his actual tats will be altered to break the copyright.
Otherwise, yeah, they'll have to muck around with them on the figures. Probably give him something generic. I doubt they will remove them entirely but I can see them inventing fake tattoos just for the occasion.
Edit: That said, this case poses a hell of a precedent for future cases. There's something to be said at this point for WWE having to alter EVERYONE's tattoos due to this case.
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