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Post by theman on May 27, 2023 12:55:15 GMT -5
I was reading through Bret Hart's book today and came across the part where Bret claimed that Owen would sabatoge house show matches on purpose just to entertain the boys backstage. Really?? He would put in a crappy performance at house shows just for a "joke" in spite of the audience that paid money to watch the match. How would you guys feel if you went to a steak house and the cook burned your steak on purpose just as a "joke" for the workers in the kitchen?? Also, he never drew one dime as a performer. His feud with Bret while great was never a money maker and outside of that one storyline can you remember anything else he did??
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Post by JokerFC on May 27, 2023 13:00:24 GMT -5
Dunno about the above stuff? But for me yes he was. He was a building talent. Someone you feed to a guy that is actually going somewhere.
A great talent but like Davey Boy viewed through rose colored glasses. Often misused mind you but upper midcarder was his ceiling.
Just my own two cents.
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Post by LA Times on May 27, 2023 15:39:17 GMT -5
He had Hall of Fame talent but did not have a Hall of Fame career and would have most likely left the wrestling business 2 years later had he lived.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 27, 2023 16:55:18 GMT -5
One of the greatest tag team wrestlers in history and his 1994 heel run was legendary. So I’m going with no, not overrated.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 27, 2023 17:13:48 GMT -5
He was a WAY better wrestler than Bret and he was championship material.
We need to be real though, after the Screwjob he was never going to sniff the main event scene and he also had the bad blood with Austin.
He was over as hell during his face run but before long he was threw into The Nation.
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Post by theman on May 27, 2023 18:48:23 GMT -5
One of the greatest tag team wrestlers in history and his 1994 heel run was legendary. So I’m going with no, not overrated. Was it really legendary?? I mean it was at the lowest point of the business the past 40 years. I'm not bringing up Hulk Hogan just for the sake of bringing up Hogan but when you talk about legendary you have to talk about stuff that really had an incredible massive impact on the product. Hulk dropping the leg on Randy Savage while turning the business upside down and beginning the atititude era is and was legendary. I would call Roman's current heel run legendary though it's getting a bit stale now. Owen only had a few matches with his brother Bret that didn't do very good business, one could even say did bad business. |
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Post by theman on May 27, 2023 18:49:31 GMT -5
He was a WAY better wrestler than Bret and he was championship material. We need to be real though, after the Screwjob he was never going to sniff the main event scene and he also had the bad blood with Austin. He was over as hell during his face run but before long he was threw into The Nation. That's another good point. He was sloppy in the ring with Austin and really injured him. Owen didn't even visit Austin in the hospital. |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on May 27, 2023 18:58:42 GMT -5
I feel he was more underrated. While Owen gets love, Bret is the one everyone fawns over and imo, Owen was on the same level as Bret in the ring and had more natural charisma.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on May 27, 2023 20:30:07 GMT -5
Definitely not. Entertaining at all levels. Was a top tier wrestler inside that ring . So what if he tried to entertain the boys on some house shows. The days on the road were longer back then, if anything he was boosting morale.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 27, 2023 20:48:08 GMT -5
One of the greatest tag team wrestlers in history and his 1994 heel run was legendary. So I’m going with no, not overrated. Was it really legendary?? I mean it was at the lowest point of the business the past 40 years. I'm not bringing up Hulk Hogan just for the sake of bringing up Hogan but when you talk about legendary you have to talk about stuff that really had an incredible massive impact on the product. Hulk dropping the leg on Randy Savage while turning the business upside down and beginning the atititude era is and was legendary. I would call Roman's current heel run legendary though it's getting a bit stale now. Owen only had a few matches with his brother Bret that didn't do very good business, one could even say did bad business. Yup. Legendary heel run. I don’t care about “good business.” One of the best heel years of the 90s. And  Hulk Hogan. Man may be responsible for two of the industries biggest booms, but he spent over half of his career being stale as hell and then spent the last 20 years being an embarrassment of a human being. Was on top for two of WCWs lowest points. Was at the top at the start of “lowest point.” Nostalgia may blind you to that, but if Owen is “overrated” (Which seriously is a stupid word.) then Terry is is the definition of the word. |
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Post by theman on May 27, 2023 21:23:12 GMT -5
Definitely not. Entertaining at all levels. Was a top tier wrestler inside that ring . So what if he tried to entertain the boys on some house shows. The days on the road were longer back then, if anything he was boosting morale. I going to have to disagree with you. If he was entertaining on all levels he would have drew much more money. The fact is the whole Hart family while being very good in the ring were pretty boring back in the day and not even Bret drew that much. I also don't agree about entertaining the boys at house shows. He was getting paid to entertain the fans and he failed to so based on ticket gates and Bret said he did it on purpose. |
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Post by The American Daydream on May 28, 2023 9:24:29 GMT -5
Never cared for the few matches I seen in WWF besides the same one he injured Stone Cold in as ironic as that is. Never disliked the work I saw, just didn't do anything for me. So probably right where he was meant to be, mid-card.
I'm more-so not a fan of how it's "taboo" to not be a fan of his. He injured one of the greatest stars the business has ever seen during his rise. While accidents do happen no matter how good you are, as far as I'm concerned he IS a nugget just for that. I also feel that if going back and re-watching all of an old wrestlers work isn't the same or as good as it was seeing it happen week by week back in the day, that's called being blinded by nostalgia because other guys work from that same era has held up just fine over the years. Next people are gonna try to claim that Brodie Lee was legendary and "changing the game" before his untimely passing.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 28, 2023 9:36:04 GMT -5
Anybody who thinks Owen Hart was "overrated" was clearly not alive or old enough to have been watching WWF at the time. It's probably one of the most ignorant statements one could make about wrestling.
1994-1997 he was probably the best heel in the business. Between costing Bret the belt at Survivor Series, giving HBK the "head injuries" with those kicks, and then breaking Austin's neck (even though it was an accident, they worked it into the story, Owen 3:16 says I just broke your neck).....the heat he got was unmatched, and his talent was rivaled by few. Probably only Bret and Shawn were on his level in WWF at the time.
And anybody who says that him not winning the WWF Tite "proves" that he wasn't as good as he's made out to be....again, ignorant. You know who else didn't win the WWF Title? Mr. Perfect, Roddy Piper, Razor Ramon, British Bulldog.....all Hall of Famers and deservedly so.
Owen Hart has unfortunately been dead for 24 years, so there's a huge population of people who talk about wrestling online who never actually saw him when he was alive. And even going back and watching everything on the WWE Network doesn't give you the entire picture. You had to live through it. You had to witness is as it was happening when wrestling was the way it was.
Owen was one of the best.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2023 11:12:57 GMT -5
One of the most underrated and underappreciated guys of all time. Also genuinely the nicest pro wrestler I've ever met, and I met Mick Foley the same signing. (Who, was also every bit as nice as advertised).
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Post by Triple S on May 28, 2023 12:26:30 GMT -5
No
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Post by alanpartridge on May 28, 2023 12:35:43 GMT -5
Erm I think he was underrated. People talk about Dean Malenko as being the greatest technical wrestler of all time way more than Owen. If he had lived I don't know how he would have faired in ruthless aggression era. Mr Perfect's run in 2002 sucked so he would probably been on WWE Heat having a match with Raven.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 28, 2023 17:15:53 GMT -5
He was a WAY better wrestler than Bret and he was championship material. We need to be real though, after the Screwjob he was never going to sniff the main event scene and he also had the bad blood with Austin. He was over as hell during his face run but before long he was threw into The Nation. That's another good point. He was sloppy in the ring with Austin and really injured him. Owen didn't even visit Austin in the hospital. Austin was known to be a hot head back then and real standoffish backstage. Owen always seemed to be an easy going guy who hated confrontation so maybe that's why he didn't visit him. Also Owen wasn't sloppy, what happened was an unfortunate accident. |
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Post by alanpartridge on May 28, 2023 17:54:37 GMT -5
He was a WAY better wrestler than Bret and he was championship material. We need to be real though, after the Screwjob he was never going to sniff the main event scene and he also had the bad blood with Austin. He was over as hell during his face run but before long he was threw into The Nation. That's another good point. He was sloppy in the ring with Austin and really injured him. Owen didn't even visit Austin in the hospital. That was a freak accident. Also what Dlo did to Droz was way worse. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on May 28, 2023 18:25:07 GMT -5
Owen was one of the best
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Post by TKO Propagandist on May 29, 2023 5:39:03 GMT -5
Martha Hart's book would have you believe that Owen thought Austin faked the extent of the neck injury. She said they disliked eachother. Austin toasting at the end of RAW in honour of Owen was controversial for this reason.
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