TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 4, 2024 18:04:47 GMT -5
As the title says. Always bothers me how he switched from the elevated version we knew and loved for the first 10 years or so in his WWE run, to just a standard Boston Crab. He even occasionally did a half/half Liontamer/Walls of Jericho in 2000 where he wouldn't place the knee on the head of the opponent, but would stand tilted at an angle to the opponent and not standing fully over the opponent's back. He would then switch to the elevated Boston Crab for the remainder of his WWE run until about 2010? He claimed that he stopped doing the Liontamer upon joining the WWE because of the larger opponents. So this excuse doesn't hold weight as to why he switched to the standard Boston Crab much much later.   |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Mar 4, 2024 19:07:41 GMT -5
I always wondered why tbh
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Mar 4, 2024 19:13:34 GMT -5
because the Lion Tamer is for cruiserweights who can bend
the crab is for the big fellas
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 5, 2024 2:49:28 GMT -5
I remember in 2008 he put Paul London in the original style with the knee in the neck and folding him in half. But then London could bend that way real easily. Guys like Rock, Triple H, Austin, could not.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 5, 2024 19:30:16 GMT -5
I think it all came down to his opponents getting bigger as he climbed the ranks in the WWF.
The old school Lion Tamer was more doable and worked with lighter cruiserweights when he was in WCW, but I'm sure a classic Boston Crab was easier to take for most opponents especially in the WWF.
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Post by The Brain on Mar 5, 2024 20:40:57 GMT -5
Lion Tamer> Walls of Jericho
Thing looked painful as hell
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 5, 2024 21:54:39 GMT -5
Wasn't it too painful for the wrestlers?
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TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 6, 2024 12:54:51 GMT -5
I think it all came down to his opponents getting bigger as he climbed the ranks in the WWF. The old school Lion Tamer was more doable and worked with lighter cruiserweights when he was in WCW, but I'm sure a classic Boston Crab was easier to take for most opponents especially in the WWF. because the Lion Tamer is for cruiserweights who can bend the crab is for the big fellas I wrote in my post that that couldn't have been the reason because he was applying the elevated version on guys right up until about 2009. Regardless of their size (not counting superheavyweights). And yet he still applied the Boston Crab to smaller guys even after 2009. So that argument doesn't hold weight. It must be something else. |
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Post by Papi Joker on Mar 6, 2024 16:37:09 GMT -5
I think it all came down to his opponents getting bigger as he climbed the ranks in the WWF. The old school Lion Tamer was more doable and worked with lighter cruiserweights when he was in WCW, but I'm sure a classic Boston Crab was easier to take for most opponents especially in the WWF. because the Lion Tamer is for cruiserweights who can bend the crab is for the big fellas I wrote in my post that that couldn't have been the reason because he was applying the elevated version on guys right up until about 2009. Regardless of their size (not counting superheavyweights). And yet he still applied the Boston Crab to smaller guys even after 2009. So that argument doesn't hold weight. It must be something else. brother, have you ever been at the receiving end of either move? imagine taking it after years of abuse to your back, come on bro there is no conspiracy here |
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Mar 6, 2024 19:02:30 GMT -5
Maybe it was a request from the locker room. Maybe it got to be a muscle memory type thing. Maybe it was easier on him.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Mar 6, 2024 19:55:40 GMT -5
I think it all came down to his opponents getting bigger as he climbed the ranks in the WWF. The old school Lion Tamer was more doable and worked with lighter cruiserweights when he was in WCW, but I'm sure a classic Boston Crab was easier to take for most opponents especially in the WWF. because the Lion Tamer is for cruiserweights who can bend the crab is for the big fellas I wrote in my post that that couldn't have been the reason because he was applying the elevated version on guys right up until about 2009. Regardless of their size (not counting superheavyweights). And yet he still applied the Boston Crab to smaller guys even after 2009. So that argument doesn't hold weight. It must be something else. Then it probably just comes down to the Boston Crab being easier for Jericho to execute at that point in his career and easier for most opponents to take over the Lion Tamer. I looked back at some Jericho vids on YouTube real quick and he was already doing the more traditional Boston Crab on a regular basis as early as 2001-2004. These clips were against guys like RVD/Cena/Maven/Goldust/HBK not exactly huge giants. |
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Post by TheXtremisT on Mar 7, 2024 13:02:53 GMT -5
I wrote in my post that that couldn't have been the reason because he was applying the elevated version on guys right up until about 2009. Regardless of their size (not counting superheavyweights). And yet he still applied the Boston Crab to smaller guys even after 2009. So that argument doesn't hold weight. It must be something else. brother, have you ever been at the receiving end of either move? imagine taking it after years of abuse to your back, come on bro there is no conspiracy here Yes I have actually, and can honestly say that the Walls of Jericho is a lot less painful. I can't remember exactly how it felt on my neck, but in terms of the lower back - Boston Crab really packs on the pressure. So unless it f***s up your neck, I can't see the Boston Crab being gentler. |
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Mar 7, 2024 21:31:33 GMT -5
Boston Crab is very safe tbh.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Mar 10, 2024 20:57:05 GMT -5
Watching back Jericho's match with Punk from WM 28. At one point he has the Liontamer locked in then they transition to the traditional crab. Punk then proceeds to crawl towards the ropes, something the Tamer couldn't allow. Food for thought.
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