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Post by Johnny on Oct 13, 2007 10:45:15 GMT -5
Where do you think Randy Orton would be right now? I think he would have never held a World Title yet. And probably would be in TNA since the only reason Vince doesn't can his ass is because of Triple H.
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Post by bad guy™ on Oct 13, 2007 10:48:34 GMT -5
Finally someone hits the nail on the head. I completely agree.
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Post by vivalaraza1331 on Oct 13, 2007 11:18:20 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure I remember hearing Triple H and Ric Flair are far closer to Batista than they are Orton. I don't think Triple H has anything to do with Orton still being around. I think Randy Orton is still around because Vince still--for some unknown reason--sees the same thing in him as he did in The Rock.
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Post by OverTheEdge on Oct 13, 2007 11:29:06 GMT -5
Neither Batista or Orton would be anything close to what they are today if it wasn't for Evolution. Batista would probably still be Deacon Bautista going around with his collection box, only for real--well, I'm not sure what he'd be doing, but I doubt he'd be in the WWE. And Orton would probably have been released not too long after he came back from his shoulder injury--maybe during the roster cut of November 2004. So yeah, Evolution really made them.
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Post by randyorton9 on Oct 13, 2007 11:40:47 GMT -5
Good question  Evolution really brought life into Randy Orton and made him what he is today. I think he`d probably be a mid-carder and he would be a bit like Shelton Benjamin IMO. |
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Post by cjc123 on Oct 13, 2007 11:44:32 GMT -5
Neither Batista or Orton would be anything close to what they are today if it wasn't for Evolution. Batista would probably still be Deacon Bautista going around with his collection box, only for real--well, I'm not sure what he'd be doing, but I doubt he'd be in the WWE. And Orton would probably have been released not too long after he came back from his shoulder injury--maybe during the roster cut of November 2004. So yeah, Evolution really made them. I agree that Evolution did make them both into stars, but for some reason I think Batista would have hit the main event scene eventually. I just look at him and he looks like a main event guy for the WWE...I couldn't see him being in any other division. However yeah he could have been released or maybe his age would have played a factor with how much time he has left. So maybe Evolution did fully create both of them, but hey I'm fine with that...where would we be without Batista/Orton right now? People could say better off, but I don't think so. Batista is mega mega over as a face and I can't see anyone else in his role right now on the WWE roster. Orton...for right now even though I am an Orton fan I suppose he is in question, last weeks Raw rating was sad and some people are blaming that on the fact that people care for him even as a heel and just hate him period. Or maybe Cenas fanbase is actually that large. Who knows, we'll see in the next few weeks. |
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Oct 13, 2007 11:47:39 GMT -5
I totally agree. Before evolution picked him up, Orton was that young kid with the boofy hair, blue tights that gave updates on his shoulder injury for about a month. He used the crossbody as his finisher and was no higher than a mid carder is at all. Evolution really 'lifted' him.
But i dont think its HHH that keeps him there. He is very concerned with Batista but i havent heard much about Orton and HHH. Vince just keeps him because of the situation. At the moment, WWE is just starting to recover from a long list of injured main-eventers and Orton was needed to keep the WWE product up to all WWE could keep it up to.
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Post by jhm on Oct 13, 2007 12:02:31 GMT -5
Well, he wouldn't have ever been the champ yet. He would either be the IC Champ, the US Champ, or the Tag Team Champ.
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Post by Dan on Oct 13, 2007 12:06:28 GMT -5
The only reason Triple H was firmly behind Orton backstage and wanted him to grab a huge push, was because it was originally planned to be Triple H V Randy Orton at Summerslam, in which HHH would go over Orton making him come off even better.
But, things didn't go to plan, and with the push Orton had already been given, Vince thought it would be better off to use Orton's push to go for the WWE Championship instead of being crushed straight away by Triple H; which has got him into the situation he's in at the moment - WWE Champion.
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Post by chumped on Oct 13, 2007 12:08:36 GMT -5
If it weren't for Evolution, Orton's 2 WWE titles last week would of been his first Main Event titles. I think the real"what if" question is, where would Triple H be if he didn't marry Stephanie? Do you really think he would have 11 title reigns?
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Post by eggman on Oct 13, 2007 12:12:22 GMT -5
I find it funny people thinking it's because of Trips that Orton's still with WWE. Trips hardly likes him.
But I don't think that's JUST because of Evolution, I think it's partly because of his IC title reign in 2003-4 and his fued with Foley.
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Post by Mark on Oct 13, 2007 12:42:56 GMT -5
Oh no Triple H screwed Stephanie, had a family and just used her to get to the top. Triple H must be devasted
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Post by thegalaxy on Oct 13, 2007 15:20:22 GMT -5
Honestly, nobody really knows. Evolution made their careers rise to the top anyway. But they were young stars so it's impossible to say if they would have been pushed to the main event or not. I think Orton would have since he's a 3rd generation star and he was getting mic time before Evolution. Batista on the other hand, it depends. He could have been like Matt Morgan. I think he benefited more from Evolution than Orton did.
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Post by E-Noon on Oct 13, 2007 15:45:28 GMT -5
This is like saying where would HHH be if it werent for DX.
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