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Post by brethartthehitman on Nov 23, 2007 20:41:31 GMT -5
you know since the boring vanilla,cleancut,bodybuilders type of guys started getting pushed!
now these types of guys have always been pushed in wrestling but never this heavily. imo when batista and cena got pushed it was the begining of the most boring time in wwe history. the rock had tons of charisma- austin had charisma and wrestling ability [dont believe me watch his wcw work. if a guy is going to get pushed im hopeing he either has an amazing amount of charisma or great wrestling ability- to be wwe champion. john cena and batista are not the best in either field. batista is the most boring waste of talent i have ever seen- ditto cena. maybe its just the way they are booked but they really bore me. how do these guys even make it out of ovw? kennedy- i like, carlito great, cena 2003 believeable [when he was a street fighter who cheated]. i dont want my intelligence insulted by watching cena make benoit tap out. i want to watch something where i believe what im seeing. in a real match cena would be beging benoit for mercy and thats what i want to see.
will sumone please bring back heyman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he was the most realistic booker ive seen. reality tv is hott, people are smart- stop pushing these talentless rejects.
thank god cena and lashley are hurt
the main event scene is
rko
y2j
hhh
kennedy
hbk
jeff hardy
umaga
all these gus have one thing in common............ they have talent,
cena,batista, and lashley are just clean cut plain douchebags.
they should all be jobbing on heat if not booked correctly. batista has no air charisma- so he should be a complete monster.
cena should be a street thug- who uses a chain to be these guys
lashley should stay in ovw until he grows some mic skill and uses his wrestling skills from the army.
thank god edge is getting the belt either next week or at armageddon[ and he will].
rko,edge,cm punks as champs is very respectable
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Post by Heresy on Nov 23, 2007 21:27:21 GMT -5
WWE's rosters are definitely looking stacked with all the main event returns, promising up-and-coming talent, and lack of Cena and Lashley... unfortunately they also have their fair share of no-talents and deadweight.
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Post by brethartthehitman on Nov 23, 2007 21:32:57 GMT -5
WWE's rosters are definitely looking stacked with all the main event returns, promising up-and-coming talent, and lack of Cena and Lashley... unfortunately they also have their fair share of no-talents and deadweight. ok who do you consider deadweight i think duggan jesse-festus jimmy wang yang chavo because he is never used anyway shannon because they want push him nunzio or push him dreamer- jobber bring in sean ohaire roddy piper [as moth peice] tj wilson matt sydal one warrior nation matt bentley nasty boys- [they ares till awesome] jerry lynn ddp jeter mondo vampiro |
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Post by taker1 on Nov 23, 2007 21:54:09 GMT -5
No, not really. It's still somewhat boring and redundant right now. I think 2007 has been the worst year since like 1996 for the WWE. 2006 was actually one of the best years IMO.
Since when is Kennedy a main eventer? He's done absolutely nothing but job over the last few months.
Orton is just a boring champion. He's an average wrestler( at best) with a boring personality. Pretty much the same with Batista.
The Intercontinental Championship has pretty much lost any value it's ever had. It hasn't been defended in months, and has just been a circlejerk between Nitro/Hardy/Umaga over the past 14 months, with a quick Santino reign thrown in( when Marella was an awful face, this making the reign one of the worst ones ever).
I may be overreacting a bit with the IC Title, but words can not explain how worthless the Cruiserweight Title is now. The belt has been vacant for months, and they insult our intelligence by refusing to give us an update. Is it gone? Is there ever going to be a new champion? The fact that it's been over 2 months since it was vacated and we haven't heard **** just shows how much the WWE doesn't care about it. And when it is active, 90% of the time it's either on Chavo Guerrero( I love him though, read on) or a joke( Chavo Sr, Hornswoggle, Jackie..), with some crappy reigns( Nunzio, Kash, Juventud) thrown in. Helms would be the exception, but he never defended the belt anyways.
The Tag Team Division is a joke. They need to combine the two titles and have one tri-branded Tag Team Championship.
Not much to say about the two World Titles. I'm glad they're not being thrown around as much as they used to be, and we're getting longer reigns.
There's so much talent being misused right now:
Burke- The only thing he's done in the past year is job to CM Punk 12 times( I believe that's the number). He's so talented and such a good heel..
Thorn- Hasn't even gotten one shot at the ECW Title..
Haas & Benjamin- Looks like Benji will soon be pushed, but as for Haas...
Kennedy- Been nothing but a lower mid carder since coming to Raw. WWE screwed up big time by switching him from Smackdown.
Umaga- He's pretty much been a punching bag for Triple H as of late. The guy should be main eventing, heck maybe even holding the WWE Championship..
Carlito- Oh god, this is one of the worst. Do I need to explain this one?
and then there's the overpushed. Cena, Batista, Lashley, HHH. These guys simply never lose. It's ridiculous.
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There is quite a bit of good in the company though. Specifically..The U.S. Championship has a TON of credibility right now, as it's really been a major stepping stone title over the past few years. Eddie, Cena, Lashley, & Booker all held the belt and went on to win World Titles( yes I know Booker was a 5x WCW Champion before that, but it was worthless then). Look at the others who have held it:
Finlay- Very deserving of a big championship
Kennedy- will probably win a World Title one day
MVP- ^^^
Benoit- Made the belt seem almost like a World Title. Sometimes having a main eventer hold a secondary title is a good thing as it makes the belt seem worth more
The only real stinkers we've had since the belt was reactivated were Big Show( gave it credibility, but never defended), OJ( made it a jobber title), and JBL( pointless).
Addionally, their idea of having longer title reigns is very good, although that idea has dwindled a bit since the Summer. They just need to find some better-suited people to hold the belts in some cases( specifically with the IC, WWE, WWE Tag, & CW belts).
The wrestling is also top notch right now. There have been a LOT of great matches this year. Cena/Umaga LMS, Cena/HBK, Cena/HBK 2, Backlash Main Event, Taker/Tista LMS, WGTT/Hardyz Ladder Match, Edge/Orton from Raw, Orton/HHH LMS are all possible Matches of the Year.
The problem is that while the wrestling is good, the storylines aren't.
Overall, there's WAYYY more talent in the company now than there's ever been. The problem is that the writers are just not doing their job well. They're writing crappy, easy-to-predict storylines that are leaving fans sitting on their thumbs watching, not showing much emotion
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 23, 2007 22:33:53 GMT -5
This has been the worst year in WWE history buddy
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Post by mikebacsik on Nov 23, 2007 22:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by ztj_wwf on Nov 23, 2007 22:41:09 GMT -5
No, not really. It's still somewhat boring and redundant right now. I think 2007 has been the worst year since like 1996 for the WWE. 2006 was actually one of the best years IMO. Since when is Kennedy a main eventer? He's done absolutely nothing but job over the last few months. Orton is just a boring champion. He's an average wrestler( at best) with a boring personality. Pretty much the same with Batista. The Intercontinental Championship has pretty much lost any value it's ever had. It hasn't been defended in months, and has just been a circlejerk between Nitro/Hardy/Umaga over the past 14 months, with a quick Santino reign thrown in( when Marella was an awful face, this making the reign one of the worst ones ever). I may be overreacting a bit with the IC Title, but words can not explain how worthless the Cruiserweight Title is now. The belt has been vacant for months, and they insult our intelligence by refusing to give us an update. Is it gone? Is there ever going to be a new champion? The fact that it's been over 2 months since it was vacated and we haven't heard **** just shows how much the WWE doesn't care about it. And when it is active, 90% of the time it's either on Chavo Guerrero( I love him though, read on) or a joke( Chavo Sr, Hornswoggle, Jackie..), with some crappy reigns( Nunzio, Kash, Juventud) thrown in. Helms would be the exception, but he never defended the belt anyways. The Tag Team Division is a joke. They need to combine the two titles and have one tri-branded Tag Team Championship. Not much to say about the two World Titles. I'm glad they're not being thrown around as much as they used to be, and we're getting longer reigns. There's so much talent being misused right now: Burke- The only thing he's done in the past year is job to CM Punk 12 times( I believe that's the number). He's so talented and such a good heel.. Thorn- Hasn't even gotten one shot at the ECW Title.. Haas & Benjamin- Looks like Benji will soon be pushed, but as for Haas... Kennedy- Been nothing but a lower mid carder since coming to Raw. WWE screwed up big time by switching him from Smackdown. Umaga- He's pretty much been a punching bag for Triple H as of late. The guy should be main eventing, heck maybe even holding the WWE Championship.. Carlito- Oh god, this is one of the worst. Do I need to explain this one? and then there's the overpushed. Cena, Batista, Lashley, HHH. These guys simply never lose. It's ridiculous. -------- There is quite a bit of good in the company though. Specifically..The U.S. Championship has a TON of credibility right now, as it's really been a major stepping stone title over the past few years. Eddie, Cena, Lashley, & Booker all held the belt and went on to win World Titles( yes I know Booker was a 5x WCW Champion before that, but it was worthless then). Look at the others who have held it: Finlay- Very deserving of a big championship Kennedy- will probably win a World Title one day MVP- ^^^ Benoit- Made the belt seem almost like a World Title. Sometimes having a main eventer hold a secondary title is a good thing as it makes the belt seem worth more The only real stinkers we've had since the belt was reactivated were Big Show( gave it credibility, but never defended), OJ( made it a jobber title), and JBL( pointless). Addionally, their idea of having longer title reigns is very good, although that idea has dwindled a bit since the Summer. They just need to find some better-suited people to hold the belts in some cases( specifically with the IC, WWE, WWE Tag, & CW belts). The wrestling is also top notch right now. There have been a LOT of great matches this year. Cena/Umaga LMS, Cena/HBK, Cena/HBK 2, Backlash Main Event, Taker/Tista LMS, WGTT/Hardyz Ladder Match, Edge/Orton from Raw, Orton/HHH LMS are all possible Matches of the Year. The problem is that while the wrestling is good, the storylines aren't. Overall, there's WAYYY more talent in the company now than there's ever been. The problem is that the writers are just not doing their job well. They're writing crappy, easy-to-predict storylines that are leaving fans sitting on their thumbs watching, not showing much emotionMore talent then there has ever been? Let's go back to late 2001/early 2002 shall we RVD Jerry Lynn HHH Stone Cold Y2J The Rock Kurt Angle Essa Rios Dean Malenko Chris Benoit Perry Saturn Lance Storm Mike Awesome Edge Christian Hardyz Undertaker Kane X Pac Billy Kidman Venis Richards NWO Perfect Flair Credible Regal Booker Raven Rhyno Shane Vince DDP Rey HBK Lesnar Eddie Chavo Or even last year, pretty much everyone you had now excluding Jericho plus Angle, Sabu, Booker, Benoit.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2007 22:49:31 GMT -5
I'd be offended, but you think Morrison is the future so I just ignored your opinion.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Nov 24, 2007 0:35:43 GMT -5
"Best it's been since 2004" isn't saying much, considering that their last good year, despite being dominated by a poorly-booked 7-month storyline, was 2001.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Nov 24, 2007 0:45:19 GMT -5
WWE's rosters are definitely looking stacked with all the main event returns, promising up-and-coming talent, and lack of Cena and Lashley... unfortunately they also have their fair share of no-talents and deadweight. ok who do you consider deadweight i think duggan jesse-festus jimmy wang yang-Why would get rid of someone over a lot, and that is very talented chavo because he is never used anyway shannon because they want push him nunzio or push him dreamer- jobber bring in sean ohaire-not needed, and would be a waste roddy piper [as moth peice] tj wilson matt sydal one warrior nation matt bentley nasty boys- [they ares till awesome] jerry lynn ddp jeter mondo-Why would you bring a death match star to the WWE?! vampiro-God no! this guy is so unprofessional and isn't talented. I'm sorry, but if you were running WWE, they'd be underground fast! You have some good ideas, but also some very, very company threatening ones as well. And also, saying two guys should die, because you don't think they are good, is beyond anything anyone should ever say, because it is wrong beyond belief. |
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Post by taker1 on Nov 24, 2007 0:59:46 GMT -5
No, not really. It's still somewhat boring and redundant right now. I think 2007 has been the worst year since like 1996 for the WWE. 2006 was actually one of the best years IMO. Since when is Kennedy a main eventer? He's done absolutely nothing but job over the last few months. Orton is just a boring champion. He's an average wrestler( at best) with a boring personality. Pretty much the same with Batista. The Intercontinental Championship has pretty much lost any value it's ever had. It hasn't been defended in months, and has just been a circlejerk between Nitro/Hardy/Umaga over the past 14 months, with a quick Santino reign thrown in( when Marella was an awful face, this making the reign one of the worst ones ever). I may be overreacting a bit with the IC Title, but words can not explain how worthless the Cruiserweight Title is now. The belt has been vacant for months, and they insult our intelligence by refusing to give us an update. Is it gone? Is there ever going to be a new champion? The fact that it's been over 2 months since it was vacated and we haven't heard **** just shows how much the WWE doesn't care about it. And when it is active, 90% of the time it's either on Chavo Guerrero( I love him though, read on) or a joke( Chavo Sr, Hornswoggle, Jackie..), with some crappy reigns( Nunzio, Kash, Juventud) thrown in. Helms would be the exception, but he never defended the belt anyways. The Tag Team Division is a joke. They need to combine the two titles and have one tri-branded Tag Team Championship. Not much to say about the two World Titles. I'm glad they're not being thrown around as much as they used to be, and we're getting longer reigns. There's so much talent being misused right now: Burke- The only thing he's done in the past year is job to CM Punk 12 times( I believe that's the number). He's so talented and such a good heel.. Thorn- Hasn't even gotten one shot at the ECW Title.. Haas & Benjamin- Looks like Benji will soon be pushed, but as for Haas... Kennedy- Been nothing but a lower mid carder since coming to Raw. WWE screwed up big time by switching him from Smackdown. Umaga- He's pretty much been a punching bag for Triple H as of late. The guy should be main eventing, heck maybe even holding the WWE Championship.. Carlito- Oh god, this is one of the worst. Do I need to explain this one? and then there's the overpushed. Cena, Batista, Lashley, HHH. These guys simply never lose. It's ridiculous. -------- There is quite a bit of good in the company though. Specifically..The U.S. Championship has a TON of credibility right now, as it's really been a major stepping stone title over the past few years. Eddie, Cena, Lashley, & Booker all held the belt and went on to win World Titles( yes I know Booker was a 5x WCW Champion before that, but it was worthless then). Look at the others who have held it: Finlay- Very deserving of a big championship Kennedy- will probably win a World Title one day MVP- ^^^ Benoit- Made the belt seem almost like a World Title. Sometimes having a main eventer hold a secondary title is a good thing as it makes the belt seem worth more The only real stinkers we've had since the belt was reactivated were Big Show( gave it credibility, but never defended), OJ( made it a jobber title), and JBL( pointless). Addionally, their idea of having longer title reigns is very good, although that idea has dwindled a bit since the Summer. They just need to find some better-suited people to hold the belts in some cases( specifically with the IC, WWE, WWE Tag, & CW belts). The wrestling is also top notch right now. There have been a LOT of great matches this year. Cena/Umaga LMS, Cena/HBK, Cena/HBK 2, Backlash Main Event, Taker/Tista LMS, WGTT/Hardyz Ladder Match, Edge/Orton from Raw, Orton/HHH LMS are all possible Matches of the Year. The problem is that while the wrestling is good, the storylines aren't. Overall, there's WAYYY more talent in the company now than there's ever been. The problem is that the writers are just not doing their job well. They're writing crappy, easy-to-predict storylines that are leaving fans sitting on their thumbs watching, not showing much emotionMore talent then there has ever been? Let's go back to late 2001/early 2002 shall we RVD Jerry Lynn HHH Stone Cold Y2J The Rock Kurt Angle Essa Rios Dean Malenko Chris Benoit Perry Saturn Lance Storm Mike Awesome Edge Christian Hardyz Undertaker Kane X Pac Billy Kidman Venis Richards NWO Perfect Flair Credible Regal Booker Raven Rhyno Shane Vince DDP Rey HBK Lesnar Eddie Chavo Or even last year, pretty much everyone you had now excluding Jericho plus Angle, Sabu, Booker, Benoit.... You're sort of contradicting yourself there. You're saying the rosters from 2006 & 2007 are different eras, but yet you combine 2001 & 2002? Essa Rios & Jerry Lynn never wrestled when Brock Lesnar was around. They left almost a year prior to Lesnar's debut, before the time period you listed even began. Shawn Michaels didn't wrestle, or even appear, during the era you listed. He came in around May/June 2002, which is mid-year not early year. Besides, you're really stretching it there. Half of the guys you listed are either: a) Reaching--why include the nWo( includes X-Pac; washed up & pretty much useless), & the McMahons? b) Very minor stars- what did Credible, Lynn, Rios, Storm, Rhyno, Saturn, Malenko, Richards, Chavo( back then, not from 2004 on), and to an extent Raven & DDP ever do in this company? pretty much nothing really. Out of the stars you listed, only Undertaker, SCSA, Kurt Angle, the Hardyz, E&C, The Rock, RVD, Jericho, & somewhat Lesnar( I'll throw you a bone, even though it wasn't during your time frame) ever accomplished anything during that time frame. And were talented. Today you have( for your core stars): HHH( was around in 2001)
HBK( was on your list, but wasn't around in 2001/early 02)
Randy Orton
Umaga
Burke
Shelton
Kennedy
MVP
The Hardyz( were around in 2001)
Batista
Cena
Mysterio
Edge( was around in 2001)
Punk
Morrison
Flair( WAI2001)
Lashley
Kane( WAI2001)
Undertaker( WAI2001)
Jericho( WAI2001)
All stars, all talented, main eventers( or close to) and all have a shot at winning a World Title, if they haven't already. If you want to get technical, Chavo & Regal( from your list) are also around today, and are way more successful than back then. Plus the McMahons. So in terms of core talent, it's Blue vs. Red...definitely more core talent today. But since you reached a bit on your list and included non big-names, lets see what other talent you could add today to the list: Tag teams. You included E&C + The Hardyz. Kendrick & London are the modern day Hardyz. You could also put Cade & Murdoch on the list since they've dominated the division this year and are 3x Champs. You included underrated cruiserweights who never accomplished anything( Lynn, Rios, Malenko), so lets see who we have today: Jimmy Wang Yang, Shannon Moore, Jamie Noble. Evens it out. Finlay is similar to what Perfect was in 2002. Then you have other smaller stars like Thorn, Santino, etc. Similar to the Val Venis's, and Justin Credible's on your list. Plus Great Khali. Not talented, but a big name. And this isn't even adding stars from 2006. Your list mixed several eras together, so I should be able to add guys from mid to late 2006 in, thus adding Booker, Sabu, Angle, Sandman, etc. There's really no getting around the fact that they have more talent today. It's incredible what WWF did back in the Attitude Era. They had way less talent than WCW and still whooped their ass in the end. AND on top of all that, you're forgetting the women. Back then the women were wrestling in pudding matches and Gravy matches for the title. You had Stephanie, The Kat, and  ing Debra holding the strap. FOR ALMOST ALL OF 2001 THERE WAS NO WOMEN'S TITLLE! Now you have legitimate wrestlers like Beth, Mickie, Melina, Victoria, Jillian, and YES Candice.. |
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Post by Fury on Nov 24, 2007 1:25:34 GMT -5
WWE's rosters are definitely looking stacked with all the main event returns, promising up-and-coming talent, and lack of Cena and Lashley... unfortunately they also have their fair share of no-talents and deadweight. ok who do you consider deadweight i think duggan jesse-festus jimmy wang yang chavo because he is never used anyway shannon because they want push him nunzio or push him dreamer- jobber bring in sean ohaire roddy piper [as moth peice] tj wilson matt sydal one warrior nation matt bentley nasty boys- [they ares till awesome]jerry lynn ddp jeter mondo vampiro The Nasty Boys are the most overrated tag team in the history of wrestling. They were just plain terrible and have an awful attitude to the business. And those other guys would hardly make a dent on anything, the only one's there I see worthy of getting a shot are Jeter, Sydal & TJ eventually. Overall, tbh I don't think you have a clue about the wrestling business. And your comment on Cena & Lashley is just plain morbid & wrong. Plus Cena is arguably the top draw of anyone who's came out after the attitude era. Plus he is more charasmatic than over 90% of the roster, probably more. I'd much rather see him champion than the least charasmatic champion in history (Randy Orton) sure his wrestling skills are pretty good when he wants to be, but are they that much better than Cena's, I don't think so expecially since Cena's matches with Michaels have been better than Orton's this year. Put together the fact that Cena has a much better attitude towards to business. Your reasoning that the WWE is better because Cena & Lashley are out is a pretty big joke, expecially since ratings have been lower on their respective shows without those guys. Face it Cena, Lashley & Batista may not be your favorite guys but they are 3 of the biggest names in wrestling currently, with Cena leading the pack. |
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Post by brethartthehitman on Nov 24, 2007 1:25:35 GMT -5
ok who do you consider deadweight i think duggan jesse-festus jimmy wang yang-Why would get rid of someone over a lot, and that is very talented chavo because he is never used anyway shannon because they want push him nunzio or push him dreamer- jobber bring in sean ohaire-not needed, and would be a waste roddy piper [as moth peice] tj wilson matt sydal one warrior nation matt bentley nasty boys- [they ares till awesome] jerry lynn ddp jeter mondo-Why would you bring a death match star to the WWE?! vampiro-God no! this guy is so unprofessional and isn't talented. I'm sorry, but if you were running WWE, they'd be underground fast! You have some good ideas, but also some very, very company threatening ones as well. And also, saying two guys should die, because you don't think they are good, is beyond anything anyone should ever say, because it is wrong beyond belief. i meant mike mondo as in mikey vampiro has an awesome look and promo ability |
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Nov 24, 2007 1:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2007 1:39:50 GMT -5
Correct, things are bad compared to our younger years growing up on wrestling, and yes, I do wish Eddie and Chris were here instead of Cena and Batista(not dead though). Although I enjoy Lashley's intensity, look, and the fact that a minority is being pushed for once, he has zero charisma.
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Nov 24, 2007 2:20:36 GMT -5
This has been the worst year in WWE history buddy Yeah yeah, we hear that every year. You'll change your mind after the first show of '08. " Raw sucked, worst year in WWE ever!" |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2007 2:32:06 GMT -5
WWE's rosters are definitely looking stacked with all the main event returns, promising up-and-coming talent, and lack of Cena and Lashley... unfortunately they also have their fair share of no-talents and deadweight. ok who do you consider deadweight i think duggan jesse-festus
jimmy wang yang
chavo because he is never used anyway
shannon because they want push him
nunzio or push him
dreamer- jobberbring in sean ohaire roddy piper [as moth peice] tj wilson matt sydal one warrior nation matt bentley nasty boys- [they ares till awesome]jerry lynn ddp jeter mondo
vampiroSaying they should drop the guys I bolded you considered "deadweight", made me think, "Okay, that's just his opinion. Saying they should bring in the guys I bolded at the bottom I thought, "This guy has no booking ability at all", when you said Cena and Lashley should die and Morrison is great is when I officially thought, "This guy is freakin insane". Good thing you're not a booker. |
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Post by brethartthehitman on Nov 24, 2007 2:40:33 GMT -5
cena is cleancut and boring
no way around it
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Post by brethartthehitman on Nov 24, 2007 2:43:50 GMT -5
Correct, things are bad compared to our younger years growing up on wrestling, and yes, I do wish Eddie and Chris were here instead of Cena and Batista(not dead though). Although I enjoy Lashley's intensity, look, and the fact that a minority is being pushed for once, he has zero charisma. it is nice to see A MINORITY PUSHED ELLIJAH BURKE! NOT NO CHARISMA LASHLEY |
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