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Post by WalterF on Feb 18, 2008 17:05:14 GMT -5
I know I have brought this up before, but this is insane. I knew they wouldn't have Cena go away with the belt last night, but why not make it a draw? Why not a pin with both mens shoulders to the mat or both guys get knocked out for ten?
Orton has been champion for about five months and his onluy clean victory has been over Jeff at Rumble. I don't count Survivor Series cuz HBK couldn't use the kick so you can't really say it's clean.
I am a Randy Orton fan and they make him seem like the most illegitimate champion ever. Even heel HHH, even heel JBL won clean matches. i mean, as soon as Orton is in a no-holds barred match, he's basically f-cked lol. I'm not sure what they are trying to do with Orton, but they're making him look like the weakest champion of all time. To me, WWE is literally burying their champ. To me, they might as well just make the WWE title match at WM HHH v.s. Cena because Orton has become pretty much a non-factor. What do you guys think of the neutering of Randy Orton?
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Post by vaclav on Feb 18, 2008 17:07:09 GMT -5
i would say the SVS win over HBK was quite clean, cos Orton couldn't get DQed or counted out without losing the belt, so they were both prohibited in some way.
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Post by scottsteiner on Feb 18, 2008 17:15:35 GMT -5
He's a heel and heels are meant to cheat and be pussies.
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Post by Mark on Feb 18, 2008 17:22:23 GMT -5
orton aint good for nothing else but to be fed to cena
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Post by "Vintage" HBK Still Rules on Feb 18, 2008 18:25:20 GMT -5
He's a heel and heels are meant to cheat and be pussies. Exactly. Faces get more of a push from the crowd, thus getting over with younger fans, thus pushing merchandise. WWE is trying to make it so that the younger audience will hate him and get the face over with them as well. |
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Post by T1 on Feb 18, 2008 18:27:53 GMT -5
He's a heel and heels are meant to cheat and be pussies. Not one other heel in history got himself DQ'ed in every other title match. |
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Post by ericbischoff on Feb 18, 2008 18:28:27 GMT -5
Because he's heel. That is what Heel suppose to do, Pushes them off, Cheated to win, Crafty Planning, annoying to wrestlers and crowd, also threated to referee, etc.
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Post by WalterF on Feb 18, 2008 19:39:55 GMT -5
Because he's heel. That is what Heel suppose to do, Pushes them off, Cheated to win, Crafty Planning, annoying to wrestlers and crowd, also threated to referee, etc. Guys ... I have been a wrestling fan for a long time and I know what the standard definition of a heel is, but at least a heel will cheat ... then get the pin. Or win sometimes, Orton has this lame cop-out ending for every match. There have been plenty of HEELS that win matches, it's not an excuse to have him never go over ... ANYBODY. |
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Feb 18, 2008 19:48:17 GMT -5
I've said it before, because WWE doesn't build up champions right unless their names are Batista, Triple H, or Cena.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 18, 2008 19:52:10 GMT -5
At this point, I've almost gotten used to it. I feel really bad for people who pay for every PPV and have to get crapty finishes 50% of the time. Oh well, there's no chance in hell he walks out of Wrestlemania with the title, so it'll end soon.
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Post by theswizzer on Feb 18, 2008 20:09:09 GMT -5
well.because he an heel.
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Post by sincityhero on Feb 18, 2008 20:13:56 GMT -5
Because WWE is intellectually- disabled.
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Post by fallenhero on Feb 18, 2008 20:15:46 GMT -5
It makes sense in the context of the feud. Cena cost Orton the title by getting himself DQed at Unforgiven, and then Orton didn't get the opportunity he wanted to take Cena out for good. He finally gets that chance, realizes that he's about to lose, and gets DQed. Smart booking, and a good ending to an awesome match.
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Post by fallenhero on Feb 18, 2008 20:16:04 GMT -5
Because WWE is intellectually- disabled. ...Irony. |
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Post by Nitro on Feb 18, 2008 20:24:04 GMT -5
the way he kept the belt and screwed cena's only chance that hes worked so hard for makes everyone hate his guts more than ever.
They need him to get that kind of heat to be a good heel
it also helps cena becase no one could deny the fact that cena was robbed and that he should have another shot
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Post by n2kgame on Feb 18, 2008 20:32:38 GMT -5
I don't know, I thought it was an awesome ending. I was like, crap, Cena actually is going to win after he rolled in at the ten count. When Randy slapped the ref, I thought it was a great bunghole thing to do. That's his character, more or less, the bunghole.
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Post by chumped on Feb 18, 2008 20:37:30 GMT -5
I am usually against the DQ's for Orton's matches. But last night was amazing. I loved the whole match. Orton's slow picking apart of Cena was excellent ring psychology, in my opinion. They had the near count out at the same time, and then Cena almost got counted out. Orton yelling at the ref "count me out!" was awesome, as was the RKO that followed. And that hit on the referee was brilliant. I am glad they did the DQ finish this way.
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Post by Edge618 on Feb 18, 2008 20:37:32 GMT -5
What is a heel? Because Umaga doesnt cheat and act like a wuss, so is he a face then? No. He's a heel. you dont have to cheat and look weak to be a heel |
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Post by Edge618 on Feb 18, 2008 20:39:22 GMT -5
He's a heel and heels are meant to cheat and be pussies. Heels sole purpose is to oppose the faces. They dont have to cheat. Orton could have beat Cena clean, and he could still be heel. So Edge is face now? Because he didnt cheat at NWO |
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Post by j2dacversion3 on Feb 18, 2008 20:43:23 GMT -5
It's upsetting, it really is.
Started on his quest to the title as a monster heel, destroying people for no reason, now he's a ****. Vomit enducing.
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