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Post by The Dude on Mar 11, 2008 3:23:33 GMT -5
When Shane McMahon was announcing The Big Show, he announced him as the only man to win the ECW, World Heavyweight, and WWE World titles.
Big Show, never won the World title. WTF?
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Post by ravensgathering on Mar 11, 2008 4:11:21 GMT -5
Yes he did. That title was the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Vince renamed it. Still the same title with the same history.
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Post by steviecarver on Mar 11, 2008 5:12:42 GMT -5
I could of swore Kurt Angle also done this, probably wrong though.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Mar 11, 2008 5:31:59 GMT -5
angle didn't win the ECW title i believe.
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Post by CBT on Mar 11, 2008 5:39:15 GMT -5
I kind of felt it being counter-productive, but it is the same belt- why not call it by it's present-name.
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Post by The Dude on Mar 11, 2008 6:15:51 GMT -5
Well, to the best of my knowledge, the World Heavyweight title was the same belt as the WCW title, but it didn't share the same lineage, that's why I found it odd.
And no, Angle didn't win the ECW title, but he did win the WWE, WCW, and World Heavyweight as well as IC, European, WWE Tag Team, Hardcore Title, and the US.
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Post by Too Sweet on Mar 11, 2008 6:53:31 GMT -5
Yeah Big Show is the only one to win the Major titles from WCW, ECW and the WWE.
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Post by mattoriginal on Mar 11, 2008 6:54:05 GMT -5
Yes he did. That title was the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Vince renamed it. Still the same title with the same history. Going by Kayfabe, Eric Bischoff renamed it. |
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Post by Edge618 on Mar 11, 2008 7:39:48 GMT -5
how come WWE never really mention WCW at all? They never say anything about it.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Mar 11, 2008 9:11:30 GMT -5
Yes he did. That title was the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Vince renamed it. Still the same title with the same history. No, it's not the same history. The history of what WWE calls the "World Heavyweight Championship" starts with Triple H in 2002. |
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Post by ultimateking on Mar 11, 2008 9:11:36 GMT -5
Yes he did. That title was the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Vince renamed it. Still the same title with the same history. Yeah, that's true. Vince actually took the WCW name off of the title on a Raw episode right after the Invasion angle ended. It was simply called the "World Title". It kills me how WWE uses the title lineage when it suits the situation, and forgets about it if it doesn't. It also depends on who you ask. They say the WHC is a title going back only till 2002 in their title histories . . . yet they claim that the U.S. Title that's on SD now is the same as the WCW U.S. Title, also the same as the old Mid-Atlantic U.S. strap. |
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 9:52:22 GMT -5
IT IS NOT THE SAME BELT OR SAME TITLE!!!! Big Show is not a former WH CHAMPION!! The WCW Title was unified with the attitude era belt and bacame the undisputed! End of story. Now why the ECW has the original lineage? I have no clue, the ECW was burned in the trash with the television title on TNA, so therefore I don`t see how it has the original lineage when it was never won from Rhyno and it`s a different belt! Why RVD was presented with a $200 replica belt i`ll never know. but the WHT and WCW are 2 different titles, 2 different belts.
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Post by mrchase on Mar 11, 2008 10:18:16 GMT -5
IT IS NOT THE SAME BELT OR SAME TITLE!!!! Big Show is not a former WH CHAMPION!! The WCW Title was unified with the attitude era belt and bacame the undisputed! End of story. Now why the ECW has the original lineage? I have no clue, the ECW was burned in the trash with the television title on TNA, so therefore I don`t see how it has the original lineage when it was never won from Rhyno and it`s a different belt! Why RVD was presented with a $200 replica belt i`ll never know. but the WHT and WCW are 2 different titles, 2 different belts. yes, it is the same belt & title . Big show is a former World heavtweight champion. the WCW title was not called WCW title .WCW title was called the WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE. THEY JUST TOOK THE WCW OFF OF IT.World heavywieght title is the same shape & design as the WCW world heavyweight title . Ric flair made that title .Ric flair even says they are same titles. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 11, 2008 10:27:47 GMT -5
The WCW title and the WHC are not the same. The WHC has the same basic design but their are clear design changes if you've ever seen both belts.
Also, the WCW title was combined with the WWE title to create the Undisputed WWE title which was on Smackdown for a while and the WHC was created by Eric Bischoff and haded to Triple H in 2002.
WCW's last champion is listed as CHRIS JERICHO.
Big Show has never held the WHC, when he was Smackdowns champion, the WWE title was still on Smackdown.
Shane McMahon either made a MISTAKE and meant to say WCW champion, or WWE simply does not want to acknowledge WCW on TV anymore since it is not active and ECW technically is.
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 10:31:29 GMT -5
IT IS NOT THE SAME BELT OR SAME TITLE!!!! Big Show is not a former WH CHAMPION!! The WCW Title was unified with the attitude era belt and bacame the undisputed! End of story. Now why the ECW has the original lineage? I have no clue, the ECW was burned in the trash with the television title on TNA, so therefore I don`t see how it has the original lineage when it was never won from Rhyno and it`s a different belt! Why RVD was presented with a $200 replica belt i`ll never know. but the WHT and WCW are 2 different titles, 2 different belts. yes, it is the same belt & title . Big show is a former World heavtweight champion. the WCW title was not called WCW title .WCW title was called the WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE. THEY JUST TOOK THE WCW OFF OF IT.World heavywieght title is the same shape & design as the WCW world heavyweight title . Ric flair made that title .Ric flair even says they are same titles. The lineage starts in 2002 with Triple H as the first champion, it`s a different belt, did the WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT have the WWE emblem on it? No it didn`t therefor both of your theories are wrong. Go to WWE and see where the lineage starts! When it was presented to Triple H it became a different title all together, and the belt has been redesigned. Different belt different lineage. |
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 10:41:28 GMT -5
Yes he did. That title was the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. Vince renamed it. Still the same title with the same history. Yeah, that's true. Vince actually took the WCW name off of the title on a Raw episode right after the Invasion angle ended. It was simply called the "World Title". It kills me how WWE uses the title lineage when it suits the situation, and forgets about it if it doesn't. It also depends on who you ask. They say the WHC is a title going back only till 2002 in their title histories . . . yet they claim that the U.S. Title that's on SD now is the same as the WCW U.S. Title, also the same as the old Mid-Atlantic U.S. strap. The U.S. title was brought in during the invasion as a WCW title, it was unified with the IC and the 2001 survivor series and brought back on 2003 for smackdown in which eddie guerrero was crwned the first WWE U.S. champion, that belt came and title lineage came from the NWA to WCW and now to WWE thats why how it goes back to the old mid atlantic days. I like to think of myself as a title historian, i study titles and title lines. |
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Post by BulletV1 on Mar 11, 2008 10:52:26 GMT -5
yes, it is the same belt & title . Big show is a former World heavtweight champion. the WCW title was not called WCW title .WCW title was called the WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE. THEY JUST TOOK THE WCW OFF OF IT.World heavywieght title is the same shape & design as the WCW world heavyweight title . Ric flair made that title .Ric flair even says they are same titles. The lineage starts in 2002 with Triple H as the first champion, it`s a different belt, did the WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT have the WWE emblem on it? No it didn`t therefor both of your theories are wrong. Go to WWE and see where the lineage starts! When it was presented to Triple H it became a different title all together, and the belt has been redesigned. Different belt different lineage. Well, when they first brought it back, and gave it to Triple H, it was the actual WCW belt. It didn't have the WWE logo on it, and was a lot bigger. |
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 10:58:48 GMT -5
The lineage starts in 2002 with Triple H as the first champion, it`s a different belt, did the WCW WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT have the WWE emblem on it? No it didn`t therefor both of your theories are wrong. Go to WWE and see where the lineage starts! When it was presented to Triple H it became a different title all together, and the belt has been redesigned. Different belt different lineage. Well, when they first brought it back, and gave it to Triple H, it was the actual WCW belt. It didn't have the WWE logo on it, and was a lot bigger. it was still a redesigned belt, WWE later added the WWE emblem so people would stop mistaking it for the WCW belt. The real original WCW belt has a big dent in the top right corner due to being thrown on WCW T.V. The WCW had flat plates and the WHT that was presented to triple H had rounded plates again 2 different belts. triple h was not presented the WCW belt, Triple H was the last to hold that WCW belt as the undisputed Champion. After Trips it was gone! Did you know the first undisputed belt, they painted over the WWF logo to make the new WWE logo? then there were 2 more versions after that |
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Mar 11, 2008 11:56:43 GMT -5
IT IS NOT THE SAME BELT OR SAME TITLE!!!! Big Show is not a former WH CHAMPION!! The WCW Title was unified with the attitude era belt and bacame the undisputed! End of story. Now why the ECW has the original lineage? I have no clue, the ECW was burned in the trash with the television title on TNA, so therefore I don`t see how it has the original lineage when it was never won from Rhyno and it`s a different belt! Why RVD was presented with a $200 replica belt i`ll never know. but the WHT and WCW are 2 different titles, 2 different belts. Rhino didn't really burn it.  |
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 12:00:05 GMT -5
IT IS NOT THE SAME BELT OR SAME TITLE!!!! Big Show is not a former WH CHAMPION!! The WCW Title was unified with the attitude era belt and bacame the undisputed! End of story. Now why the ECW has the original lineage? I have no clue, the ECW was burned in the trash with the television title on TNA, so therefore I don`t see how it has the original lineage when it was never won from Rhyno and it`s a different belt! Why RVD was presented with a $200 replica belt i`ll never know. but the WHT and WCW are 2 different titles, 2 different belts. Rhino didn't really burn it. I know replicas as well, but it was the symbolism, and can`t really be denied, well unless you are Vince Mcmahon lol. the ECW title should just be called the WWECW title and it`s linesge should start with RVD being presented the belt. but it doesn`t  |
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