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Post by gtm on Mar 11, 2008 12:18:31 GMT -5
how come WWE never really mention WCW at all? They never say anything about it. i think its because WCW was a threat to WWF and there are still some painful memories now in WWE so its better for them to write it off as the past.hence why ECW came back,it was never a threat to WWF.
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 12:30:42 GMT -5
how come WWE never really mention WCW at all? They never say anything about it. i think its because WCW was a threat to WWF and there are still some painful memories now in WWE so its better for them to write it off as the past.hence why ECW came back,it was never a threat to WWF. Exactly and the reason they dropped the WCW from the title name in the first place when it was won by Kurt Angle, although it was still the WCW WHT, but I assure everyone that that belt was last held by Triple H as the Undisputed and disappeared when the Attitude title did. and I think thats what causing all the confusion. Chris Jericho beating the Rock was the last WCW championship title match, as soon as Jericho beat Austin it became the undisputed title,Chris Jericho was the very last WCW Champion anyone after that was considered Undisputed WWE Champion! WWE buried WCW and they want it kept that way!
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Post by The Main Event on Mar 11, 2008 13:39:23 GMT -5
Does this really matter too much?
Big Show won the WCW World Heavyweight Championship back when he was in the company. The belt came to WWE as part of the Invasion, where it switched hands between WWE and WCW stars. Then after the Alliance was defeated, the belt was simply called the "World Heavyweight Championship". Chris Jericho won the belt at Vengeance 2001 from The Rock, before defeating Stone Cold Steve Austin for the WWF Championship (What we now know as the Attitude Belt). The WWF and World Heavyweight (WCW) Championships were unified, and Jericho named the "Undisputed" (I.e. UNCHALLENGED for the rank of World Champion) champion. Chris Jericho lost both belts to Triple H at Wrestlemania X8. Triple H then had a new belt presented to him, which was both belts in one- The Undisputed Championship- the belt we now know as the old WWE title before that piece of TRASH John Cena disrespected the entire lineage of the title with his "Bling" belt. The Undisputed belt went from Hunter to Hogan to Taker to Rock to eventually Brock Lesnar. When Lesnar signed exclusively to SmackDown, Bischoff brought the old WCW belt back for his show in September 2002, and promptly awarded it to Triple H. Except it wasn't the same, It was a NEW BELT- a slightly different design, to go along with the changes in WWE. In essence the WCW heavyweight belt simply evolved into the World Heavyweight Championship. The WWE currently does not recognise the lineage of the old WCW Heavyweight Championship (The lineage disappiered when Jericho unified the two belts, as the belts were considered ONE at that time). For whatever reason this is, it is pretty confusing. But they do bend the rules when it suits them I.e. Big Show the other day on RAW. Technically, yes Big Show is a former WHC. Because he won the belt before it EVOLVED. But if WWE are going by thier own stupid rules, strictly speaking he should not be recognised.
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 13:55:06 GMT -5
Does this really matter too much? Big Show won the WCW World Heavyweight Championship back when he was in the company. The belt came to WWE as part of the Invasion, where it switched hands between WWE and WCW stars. Then after the Alliance was defeated, the belt was simply called the "World Heavyweight Championship". Chris Jericho won the belt at Vengeance 2001 from The Rock, before defeating Stone Cold Steve Austin for the WWF Championship (What we now know as the Attitude Belt). The WWF and World Heavyweight (WCW) Championships were unified, and Jericho named the "Undisputed" (I.e. UNCHALLENGED for the rank of World Champion) champion. Chris Jericho lost both belts to Triple H at Wrestlemania X8. Triple H then had a new belt presented to him, which was both belts in one- The Undisputed Championship- the belt we now know as the old WWE title before that piece of TRASH John Cena disrespected the entire lineage of the title with his "Bling" belt. The Undisputed belt went from Hunter to Hogan to Taker to Rock to eventually Brock Lesnar. When Lesnar signed exclusively to SmackDown, Bischoff brought the old WCW belt back for his show in September 2002, and promptly awarded it to Triple H. Except it wasn't the same, It was a NEW BELT- a slightly different design, to go along with the changes in WWE. In essence the WCW heavyweight belt simply evolved into the World Heavyweight Championship. The WWE currently does not recognise the lineage of the old WCW Heavyweight Championship (The lineage disappiered when Jericho unified the two belts, as the belts were considered ONE at that time). For whatever reason this is, it is pretty confusing. But they do bend the rules when it suits them I.e. Big Show the other day on RAW. Technically, yes Big Show is a former WHC. Because he won the belt before it EVOLVED. But if WWE are going by thier own stupid rules, strictly speaking he should not be recognised. All true, BUT.............. I would like to point out the fact that when unified with the WWE Championship, the WCW lineage goes with the WWE title now known as the spinner. The Smackdown WHC is a different title all together thus the reason for a new title lineage. Like I said before Vince wanted WCW burried and that he did when unifying the 2 belts. The fact the it`s not called the "Undistpued" title anymore doesn`t change the fact that it was unified with the WWE Championship and that the WCW WHC is dead from that moment on. If you look at the WWE Championship title history, you notice the "Undisputed" title lineage is with the WWE championship and the WCW belt was unified the create that so the WCW title goes with the WWE Championship and that`s an "Undisputed" fact jack LOL Therefore the WHC is not the WCW title EVOLVED, WWE is 100% wrong in that claim with the Big Show.
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Post by sincityhero on Mar 11, 2008 14:25:54 GMT -5
Nope its just that shane messed up.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Mar 11, 2008 14:46:27 GMT -5
Rhino didn't really burn it. I know replicas as well, but it was the symbolism, and can`t really be denied, well unless you are Vince Mcmahon lol. the ECW title should just be called the WWECW title and it`s linesge should start with RVD being presented the belt. but it doesn`t look at it in terms of kayfabe for a min... Vince owns ECW now...he strips Rhino of the ECW title....doesn't matter if he actually has the title..he's not recongized as the champ...Vince puts Paul Heyman in charge of the "new" ECW...and he awards RVD with the title... there that pretty much explains how the lineage can continue...
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 15:44:18 GMT -5
I know replicas as well, but it was the symbolism, and can`t really be denied, well unless you are Vince Mcmahon lol. the ECW title should just be called the WWECW title and it`s linesge should start with RVD being presented the belt. but it doesn`t look at it in terms of kayfabe for a min... Vince owns ECW now...he strips Rhino of the ECW title....doesn't matter if he actually has the title..he's not recongized as the champ...Vince puts Paul Heyman in charge of the "new" ECW...and he awards RVD with the title... there that pretty much explains how the lineage can continue... In wrestling reality (kayfabe) That`s exactly what happened! lol I didn`t say it didn`t, it`s just stupid
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Post by kanekilledvince on Mar 11, 2008 16:30:00 GMT -5
I agree with total crisis.
Rhyno cant destroy the legacy in TNA, because TNA dont have anything to do with ECW. However, WWE own ECW, and can do as they please with the name of the company, the title histories, etc. etc.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 11, 2008 17:03:38 GMT -5
Ok let me explain exactly what WWEs reasoning behind this. It was in a WWE magazine a few months back. The WHC IS NOT considered the WCW world championship. The title that has that linage was UNIFIED with the WWE Championship. The WHC was brought back in 2002 and has a linage that starts with Triple H. HOWEVER, the WHC is a title that WWE says represents every world champion (i would assume WCW, WCCW, SMW, Stampede etc) of a company that Vince has bought. Im assuming they also count the NWA linage since it somewhat ties into the WCW linage. Thats why they refer to Ric Flair as the 16 Time WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION. It counts his NWA, WCW and WWF title runs. The WHC is a title to show respect to every world champion in the past. Honestly to me that gives it even more prestige then the WWE title.
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Post by mattoriginal on Mar 11, 2008 17:07:51 GMT -5
Oh and Show won the WCW title in a match against Hogan back in '96.
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Post by Blackjack on Mar 11, 2008 17:38:15 GMT -5
ever think Shane made a mistake?
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Post by Reddevilbigevil on Mar 11, 2008 20:11:18 GMT -5
The World Heavyweight Championship belt itself is similar (not the exact same) as the WCW championship belt, but the lineage of the World Heavyweight Championship Belt only goes back to Triple H in 2002. It's a seperate belt that looks the same as the WCW title. The actual WCW title was renamed "World Championship" after the Alliance was disbanded and then the belt was merged in with the WWE Championship. Thank you, every belt has been copied in some capacity, back in the 40`s 50`s 60`s and 70`s promotions had titles that looked alike all the time. ever think Shane made a mistake? I don`t think so, they were pushing Show as having held all the titles when he was ECW Champion.
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Mar 11, 2008 20:19:27 GMT -5
Its basically the same exact title..lol
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