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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2008 17:50:43 GMT -5
Being Live has nothing to do with Ratings. Remember 1998 and 1999 when ya know Raw was Taped and was still beating Doubya See Doubya every week which was Live Were there spoilers back then. I think SmackDown! should go live
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 17:52:10 GMT -5
Being Live has nothing to do with Ratings. Remember 1998 and 1999 when ya know Raw was Taped and was still beating Doubya See Doubya every week which was Live Were there spoilers back then. I think SmackDown! should go live The most talked about edition of Raw in which Foley won the WWF title and they beat WCW in the ratings. Not to mention they did on and off taped shows in 98 and 99. Also on SD back in 99-01 they had very similar ratings with Raw and everything was equal with the two shows. How about someone explain that
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Post by BØRNS on Jun 24, 2008 17:53:17 GMT -5
SmackDown has been BS lately and not enough actual wrestling time. Also, it's on Friday nights, when many of WWE's fan base is out doing other things. I think that this is just enough change to get people watching both shows again.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 17:54:17 GMT -5
Not enough wrestling time? WTF. SD has the best wrestling on TV every damn week. SD doesn't have as much segmants/promo's as Raw and Impact does
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Post by Keyboard Cat on Jun 24, 2008 17:55:33 GMT -5
Last time I checked, Raw had the ECW championship. while Smackdown has World and WWE championship.
Smackdown > Raw.
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Post by Bob Sapp on Jun 24, 2008 17:55:41 GMT -5
WCW Nitro beat RAW for a long time, which forced them to go Live. Raw was taped in 1999. They did Live shows but not every one. But the reason for Nitro beating RAW for like a year in a half was because of RAW being taped.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 17:56:21 GMT -5
Raw was taped in 1999. They did Live shows but not every one. But the reason for Nitro beating RAW for like a year in a half was because of RAW being taped. Yeah but Raw was taped in 1998 and 1999 in which they beat Nitro... And your point?
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 24, 2008 18:01:59 GMT -5
Yes... 1)Its taped 2)Its gonna be on a Network nobody has ever heard of 3)None of the main guys in the business want to be on the show (Triple H, JR...Hell Vince RARELY appears on the show) Sayin that its been around for 10 years and its on equal level as Raw is like saying WWF Mania was on the same level as WWF Prime Time Wrestling, or Thunder was equal to Nitro Umm Vince McMahon appeared on SD all the time from 1999-2004. Triple H, Undertaker, Rock, Hogan, Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Angle, Edge, Lesnar, Big Show, Cena, Orton, Mysterio, Booker T, Rob Van Dam and many more have all been on the SD brand at one time or another. So much for your stupid comment. Not to mention Triple H is back on Smackdown now. And being Live shouldn't be a reason why a show is #1. Back in 1999 when Raw was taped it was killing WCW in the ratings and WCW was live. Proved you wrong again. You didnt prove anyone wrong idiot. How many stars do you see upset about moving to Raw?? Exactly NONE! Why because they know that its the A show. If you think Triple H (maybe even JR) will stay on SD for a long period of time, then you're a bigger idiot then you've proven to me before. BTW Where is Jericho, Cena, Orton, Big Show, Mysterio at now?? RAW! Before the draft (and we'll see after NOC) where was the main World title?? RAW...Where was the main Mid card title (IC) RAW!, how bout the main Tag title...Yup thats on Raw as well. Once the brand split in 02...SD became the B show
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 24, 2008 18:05:00 GMT -5
Being Live has nothing to do with Ratings. Remember 1998 and 1999 when ya know Raw was Taped and was still beating Doubya See Doubya every week which was Live I agree, thats not the reason. But then, if it isn't that, what is it? The internet wasn't widely used back then. We had no way of finding out anything until Smackdown! aired which gave it a live feel, now Smackdown! can't have a major title change without everyone and their mom knowing Tuesday night, or even huge storyline twists. Being taped has alot to do with it, someone already mentioned how it doesn't have the feel of Raw, it's because it's taped, even ECW(prior to the Raw move) had some feel of unpredictability because it was taped so close to airing. Smackdown needs to be live to work, and that's pretty much why it's the "B" show. Also to the person who said that the network that it's switching to is one no one has heard of "My Network", my network is a hybrid channel of UPN and WB, it was recently given that name and it is part of basic cable. Trust me people watch it. There are alot of lower income families who can only watch Smackdown! due to it being on basic cable, it's not on some no name channel.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 18:05:14 GMT -5
Umm Vince McMahon appeared on SD all the time from 1999-2004. Triple H, Undertaker, Rock, Hogan, Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho, Angle, Edge, Lesnar, Big Show, Cena, Orton, Mysterio, Booker T, Rob Van Dam and many more have all been on the SD brand at one time or another. So much for your stupid comment. Not to mention Triple H is back on Smackdown now. And being Live shouldn't be a reason why a show is #1. Back in 1999 when Raw was taped it was killing WCW in the ratings and WCW was live. Proved you wrong again. You didnt prove anyone wrong idiot. How many stars do you see upset about moving to Raw?? Exactly NONE! Why because they know that its the A show. If you think Triple H (maybe even JR) will stay on SD for a long period of time, then you're a bigger idiot then you've proven to me before. BTW Where is Jericho, Cena, Orton, Big Show, Mysterio at now?? RAW! Before the draft (and we'll see after NOC) where was the main World title?? RAW...Where was the main Mid card title (IC) RAW!, how bout the main Tag title...Yup thats on Raw as well. Once the brand split in 02...SD became the B show Actually you're the idiot. If I remember correctly, the "real" WWE title was actually on Smackdown up until 2005. It might even go back to Smackdown, who knows. And alot of people did like Smackdown better from interviews I have read. Guys like Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Guerrero have all said in interviews I have read before that they enjoy being on Smackdown much more then Raw. And the US title is much better and has more credibility then the IC title. And who the cares about the tag belts anymore anyways? Look at WWE's biggest star, Undertaker. Where has he been the last 6 years? Exactly.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 18:06:58 GMT -5
I agree, thats not the reason. But then, if it isn't that, what is it? The internet wasn't widely used back then. We had no way of finding out anything until Smackdown! aired which gave it a live feel, now Smackdown! can't have a major title change without everyone and their mom knowing Tuesday night, or even huge storyline twists. Being taped has alot to do with it, someone already mentioned how it doesn't have the feel of Raw, it's because it's taped, even ECW(prior to the Raw move) had some feel of unpredictability because it was taped so close to airing. Smackdown needs to be live to work, and that's pretty much why it's the "B" show. Also to the person who said that the network that it's switching to is one no one has heard of "My Network", my network is a hybrid channel of UPN and WB, it was recently given that name and it is part of basic cable. Trust me people watch it. There are alot of lower income families who can only watch Smackdown! due to it being on basic cable, it's not on some no name channel. Impact is a taped show and I always look forward to watching it even after I read spoilers. And in 2002 I read the SD spoilers all the time straight from WWE.COM and still prefered SD over Raw at the time
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 24, 2008 18:08:26 GMT -5
Were there spoilers back then. I think SmackDown! should go live The most talked about edition of Raw in which Foley won the WWF title and they beat WCW in the ratings. Not to mention they did on and off taped shows in 98 and 99. Also on SD back in 99-01 they had very similar ratings with Raw and everything was equal with the two shows. How about someone explain that Not every Smackdown has a title change, it's a known fact that title changes draw more of a crowd. If I post Undertaker defeats Mark Henry in a match as the main even it sounds lame, if I post Edge lost the title to Batista on Smackdown, you would want to tune in to see it. I'm guranteeing you that spoilers on the internet are responsible for Smackdowns! plight for the most part.
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 24, 2008 18:11:32 GMT -5
You didnt prove anyone wrong idiot. How many stars do you see upset about moving to Raw?? Exactly NONE! Why because they know that its the A show. If you think Triple H (maybe even JR) will stay on SD for a long period of time, then you're a bigger idiot then you've proven to me before. BTW Where is Jericho, Cena, Orton, Big Show, Mysterio at now?? RAW! Before the draft (and we'll see after NOC) where was the main World title?? RAW...Where was the main Mid card title (IC) RAW!, how bout the main Tag title...Yup thats on Raw as well. Once the brand split in 02...SD became the B show Actually you're the idiot. If I remember correctly, the "real" WWE title was actually on Smackdown up until 2005. It might even go back to Smackdown, who knows. And alot of people did like Smackdown better from interviews I have read. Guys like Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Guerrero have all said in interviews I have read before that they enjoy being on Smackdown much more then Raw. And the US title is much better and has more credibility then the IC title. And who the cares about the tag belts anymore anyways? Look at WWE's biggest star, Undertaker. Where has he been the last 6 years? Exactly. Where exactly is Booker T and Kurt Angle at right now? How do you figure the US title has more credibility? It was invented just like the European. WWE can try to use the NWA/WCW title linage but when a title is defunct for years it loses all prestige, not to mention the title linage was combined with the IC when Edge won it in the ladder match. From what Im hearing the only reason Taker has been on SD is because Triple H is on raw. Now that Triple H is on SD Taker could be heading to Raw..OR Trips will stay in SD until Taker returns and then HHH will be back again on Raw. Honestly if there is heat between Taker and HHH it wouldnt surprise me at all as they are probably the 2 people in the company with the most "stroke" so they need to keep them separated so their egos dont clash
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Post by DKR on Jun 24, 2008 18:12:11 GMT -5
Smackdown def gotta a good bump in talent etc last night. I know that I am interested in watching that show, and I haven't really wanted to for a long time, despite my favorite wrestler, Edge, being on that show. I think that only thing that takes away from SD now is the fact that it is not live...
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 24, 2008 18:12:59 GMT -5
The internet wasn't widely used back then. We had no way of finding out anything until Smackdown! aired which gave it a live feel, now Smackdown! can't have a major title change without everyone and their mom knowing Tuesday night, or even huge storyline twists. Being taped has alot to do with it, someone already mentioned how it doesn't have the feel of Raw, it's because it's taped, even ECW(prior to the Raw move) had some feel of unpredictability because it was taped so close to airing. Smackdown needs to be live to work, and that's pretty much why it's the "B" show. Also to the person who said that the network that it's switching to is one no one has heard of "My Network", my network is a hybrid channel of UPN and WB, it was recently given that name and it is part of basic cable. Trust me people watch it. There are alot of lower income families who can only watch Smackdown! due to it being on basic cable, it's not on some no name channel. That's great for you, but you're a minority in this case and many people are not in the same boat. Let me set a scenario for you, it's a monday night, RAW is coming up and its there is a big announcement, but your friend calls and asks if you want to go out. Now you're torn, you really want to know this announcement, lets say that RAW is taped, you read over the spoilers and decide the announcement is nothing worth staying home for and you go out. If you didn't have spoilers you would have had to watch RAW to see the announcement, and if you were really excited for it chances are you don't want to read the recap of the show and go out. That happens to Smackdown! weekly, spoilers destroy that show. Also using Impact in an arguement on ratings, not such a great move. Impact is a taped show and I always look forward to watching it even after I read spoilers. And in 2002 I read the SD spoilers all the time straight from WWE.COM and still prefered SD over Raw at the time
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 18:16:25 GMT -5
That's great for you, but you're a minority in this case and many people are not in the same boat. Let me set a scenario for you, it's a monday night, RAW is coming up and its there is a big announcement, but your friend calls and asks if you want to go out. Now you're torn, you really want to know this announcement, lets say that RAW is taped, you read over the spoilers and decide the announcement is nothing worth staying home for and you go out. If you didn't have spoilers you would have had to watch RAW to see the announcement, and if you were really excited for it chances are you don't want to read the recap of the show and go out. That happens to Smackdown! weekly, spoilers destroy that show. Also using Impact in an arguement on ratings, not such a great move. Impact is a taped show and I always look forward to watching it even after I read spoilers. And in 2002 I read the SD spoilers all the time straight from WWE.COM and still prefered SD over Raw at the time If the announcment was really lame like Million Dollar thing then sure. But that is what a taped show could be good for. You could read spoilers and if it sounds like a crap show then don't tune in.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 24, 2008 18:18:06 GMT -5
Actually you're the idiot. If I remember correctly, the "real" WWE title was actually on Smackdown up until 2005. It might even go back to Smackdown, who knows. And alot of people did like Smackdown better from interviews I have read. Guys like Booker T, Kurt Angle, and Guerrero have all said in interviews I have read before that they enjoy being on Smackdown much more then Raw. And the US title is much better and has more credibility then the IC title. And who the cares about the tag belts anymore anyways? Look at WWE's biggest star, Undertaker. Where has he been the last 6 years? Exactly. Where exactly is Booker T and Kurt Angle at right now? How do you figure the US title has more credibility? It was invented just like the European. WWE can try to use the NWA/WCW title linage but when a title is defunct for years it loses all prestige, not to mention the title linage was combined with the IC when Edge won it in the ladder match. From what Im hearing the only reason Taker has been on SD is because Triple H is on raw. Now that Triple H is on SD Taker could be heading to Raw..OR Trips will stay in SD until Taker returns and then HHH will be back again on Raw. Honestly if there is heat between Taker and HHH it wouldnt surprise me at all as they are probably the 2 people in the company with the most "stroke" so they need to keep them separated so their egos dont clash Funny thing is where were Booker and Angle before they left. Booker was on Raw and Angle was Raw/ECW. If they were both on SD they probably would have stayed. And the WWE uses the NWA/WCW US title reigns and since the draft, SD has used it better then Raw using the IC. When Cena was US Champion it was like bigger then the World titles. And the MVP/Hardy feud was one of the best feuds in the last couple years. What is being done with the IC title again?
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 24, 2008 18:21:04 GMT -5
That's great for you, but you're a minority in this case and many people are not in the same boat. Let me set a scenario for you, it's a monday night, RAW is coming up and its there is a big announcement, but your friend calls and asks if you want to go out. Now you're torn, you really want to know this announcement, lets say that RAW is taped, you read over the spoilers and decide the announcement is nothing worth staying home for and you go out. If you didn't have spoilers you would have had to watch RAW to see the announcement, and if you were really excited for it chances are you don't want to read the recap of the show and go out. That happens to Smackdown! weekly, spoilers destroy that show. Also using Impact in an arguement on ratings, not such a great move. Impact is a taped show and I always look forward to watching it even after I read spoilers. And in 2002 I read the SD spoilers all the time straight from WWE.COM and still prefered SD over Raw at the time I was at work last night for the draft...I made sure I went out of my way to tape RAW to watch it when I got home. SD I will only watch if by chance I am home. Usually though Im not. from Aug-Dec I go back to my old High school and watch football games on Friday Nights..Missing SD, from Jun-July I miss Smackdown because I play softball on Friday nights....and from jan-May I miss smackdown because I choose to work on friday nights. Nothing Big ever happens on SD unless there is some sort of injury and they need to drop a title. I would just rather read the spoilers so I dont have to watch Jimmy Wang Yang, Shannon Moore, Vlad Kozlov, Funaki, Mark Henry, Great Khali, and now thank God I never have to see Jeff Hardy again
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 24, 2008 18:28:41 GMT -5
Where exactly is Booker T and Kurt Angle at right now? How do you figure the US title has more credibility? It was invented just like the European. WWE can try to use the NWA/WCW title linage but when a title is defunct for years it loses all prestige, not to mention the title linage was combined with the IC when Edge won it in the ladder match. From what Im hearing the only reason Taker has been on SD is because Triple H is on raw. Now that Triple H is on SD Taker could be heading to Raw..OR Trips will stay in SD until Taker returns and then HHH will be back again on Raw. Honestly if there is heat between Taker and HHH it wouldnt surprise me at all as they are probably the 2 people in the company with the most "stroke" so they need to keep them separated so their egos dont clash Funny thing is where were Booker and Angle before they left. Booker was on Raw and Angle was Raw/ECW. If they were both on SD they probably would have stayed. And the WWE uses the NWA/WCW US title reigns and since the draft, SD has used it better then Raw using the IC. When Cena was US Champion it was like bigger then the World titles. And the MVP/Hardy feud was one of the best feuds in the last couple years. What is being done with the IC title again? Angle was only on Raw for like 4 months. He spent the last year and a half of his time in WWE on SD and ECW. Then Explain why can WWE use the NWA/WCW linage for their US title but not the WHC?? Is the same thing. They were both titles just pulled out of their asses to give the brand an individual look. Also a mid card title should NEVER out shine your main belt. IC/US champions were suppose to represent your "#1 contender" If your mid card title has more prestige then your main world title, you're doing something wrong
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Post by †hê Jå§ðñ Wïllïåm§ on Jun 24, 2008 18:37:43 GMT -5
if you look closely WHC is the same as it was in WCW accept WCW is off it and theWWE Logo is on the top. Same witht he US, its just updated a little...
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