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Post by MattelsRule on Jul 2, 2008 11:24:32 GMT -5
Well, I know the IWC is ecstatic over their boy CM Punk being crowned World Heavyweight Champion this past Monday night. It was shocking, controversial, and amazing that he would be the title holder on a brand with a ton of big name talent.
Personally, I think Punk has a ton of charisma, great wrestling abilities, and he is waay over with the fans (young and old). I have no problem with Punk at the top of the card and I think this is just the beginning of an illustrious career for the Punker.
However, my only complaint here is that I feel like he was not properly pushed to the title. Now I know... we are all tired of the same formulas for pushing guys to the top and knowing they will become WHC. It's not fun at that point. Not to mention the WHC has been more of the secondary World Championship (tons of title changes this year, including a reign by Great Khali which I know we would like to completely forget existed).
Before Punk won the title (and aside from MITB), what exactly has Punk done in the past few months? He has been jobbed out on numerous occasions and involved in bland angles and storylines for months. I realize he is the type of superstar who doesn't necessarily need an amazing angle to get him over, but it wouldn't have hurt either. I just feel like POOF here's a new champion... and it does bother me.
Now I believe his title reign will be short lived and then his second reign will be a more serious, lengthy one (kind of like Edge's). BUT does anyone remember how hard they pushed Edge before he FINALLY won the title??? The guy went over and put on big matches night after night and did an amazing job of getting himself over as a heel...
Punk (with the exception of some decent matches) has been given nothing to get himself over as a top player, in my opinion, and I believe was rushed to the top. Although this brings endless possibilities - I really think this is going to be like when Goldberg first won the WCW Title and his matches were still midcard (Goldberg vs Giant anyone?). I can totally see Punk still not main eventing (even as champion).
My point here - does anyone think that WWE could have pushed Punk more properly into this position? And do you believe it really is too soon - whether you are a Punk mark or not..?
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Post by iyfwkidzc on Jul 2, 2008 11:28:00 GMT -5
Punk deserved to win it. He's worked his ass off his entire career, from ROH, to OVW, to WWE, and everywhere in between. Sure it may be too soon, but Lesnar won the title after debuting 5 months earlier. Cena won the title in a little over 2 years, as did Punk. HHH won it in 4.
The haters can say it's too soon, but people they like also won it too soon.
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Post by v/\v on Jul 2, 2008 11:30:05 GMT -5
I would have said yes but the way they executed it on Monday created an impact - and a bloody massive impact that he is a believable champion right now, they will need to build him up with some good feuds over the belt in which he is victorious at the end otherwise it will look weaker and weaker each week/month his reign lasts, they must not undermine him as champion and have people like JBL or Batista constantly battering him just so Cena can make a save.
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Post by J12 on Jul 2, 2008 11:33:15 GMT -5
It may very well be too soon, but in this case, I honestly don't think it matters.
WWE needed something huge, something shocking, something unexpected. CM Punk was just that. Granted, he may have been a few months away from being fully ready, but to get that shock factor back, that unpredictability that has been missing for song, something had to be done.
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Post by Quanthor on Jul 2, 2008 11:57:00 GMT -5
Way too soon, you can't lose a ton of matches on a third brand and then jump directly on to the WWE's premiere show, instantaneously win the title without having been in any feuds and expect for me to take him seriously.
Right now I just can't buy him as a real champion.
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Post by Suckasays on Jul 2, 2008 12:02:35 GMT -5
I think the timing was perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 12:05:17 GMT -5
Its abit soon. Id rather Punk came out and told Edge that they were going to face out at Great American Bash or in the Main Event of Raw. Would make his character look stronger
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Post by "Vintage" HBK Still Rules on Jul 2, 2008 12:09:31 GMT -5
I've got no problem with Punk being World Heavyweight Champion, IMO. He's been very impressive since his debut and, depending how WWE uses him, should be a great Champ.
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Post by k5 on Jul 2, 2008 12:46:44 GMT -5
it's not too soon. too soon is when i think of lashley or orton. they just have to continue to develop his character properly, which is something wwe likes to do once they put the title around you.
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Post by newfrigginshow on Jul 2, 2008 12:47:19 GMT -5
You are right it could have been done better. I would have moved him to Raw before getting mib then given him memorable fued or two to build him and let him come out on top. Then at mania 25 I'd give him the mib which would make more sense then win the title within 5-6 months or so. A slow build is better imo. But I'm still happy for the guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 12:55:03 GMT -5
I think the timing was perfect. Absolutely, it was already too late when RVD won the title in 2006, the same year that Samoa Joe should have won the title but TNA  ed that up. Punk is over and there was no better time than now. |
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Post by Slay on Jul 2, 2008 12:56:56 GMT -5
I'm glad he got the title, but just cashing in and winning it like THAT will give people a chance to bitch about how easy he has it.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 2, 2008 12:58:03 GMT -5
I think it was a very creative way to get the World Heavyweight Championship belt back on RAW....and I believe that was the only reason behind it.
If CM Punk has a long title run I think it will hurt his career at this point. After being unable to beat Chavo Gurrero, Bam Neely, The Miz, John Morrison, Mark Henry, MVP, and Shelton Benjamin over the past year.....if he's all of a sudden beating Cena, HBK, JBL, Kane and Orton (when he comes back)...then I don't believe it.
Like was already said. CM Punk may very well deserve it and make a VERY FINE World Champion ANOTHER TIME....it just seems like coming off of 9 straight months of jobbing to EVERYONE, that it's not the right time.
I would say that at the Great American Bash, John Cena or JBL will walk out with the title. I just hope Cena doesn't make that belt spin too.
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Post by T R W on Jul 2, 2008 13:00:13 GMT -5
It's too soon for me, but it may work anyway. There is something still missing with him for me, that I can't quite put my finger on. But I think it's that they really haven't let him develop much of a personality yet. I mean, he doesn't seem bad on the mic, but I don't know anything about him. I was impressed he was able to lift up JBL for the GTS, so it may be a more valid finisher than I originally thought.
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Post by markallenkellner on Jul 2, 2008 13:03:22 GMT -5
He worked his ass off for his whole career, of what, 5 years? Back in the day, some guys worked 10+ years before making it to the big time, let alone winning their first world title.
I like CM Punk but yeah, it's too early, but it's still a refreshing change at the same time. A CM Punk/Jericho feud for the title would be great.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 2, 2008 13:06:14 GMT -5
It's too soon for me, but it may work anyway. There is something still missing with him for me, that I can't quite put my finger on. But I think it's that they really haven't let him develop much of a personality yet. I mean, he doesn't seem bad on the mic, but I don't know anything about him. I was impressed he was able to lift up JBL for the GTS, so it may be a more valid finisher than I originally thought. I believe what is missing from CM Punk is that we haven't seen him feud with anybody worth while yet! He's had 1 or 2 matches with Chris Jericho that went nowhere, he hasn't feuded with somebody like Kennedy, Hardy, or even MVP. They should have moved CM Punk to RAW and made him IC Champion, get him involved in a feud with somebody that the WWE audience is familiar with. Right now it just seems like after jobbing to everyone on ECW and Smackdown that CM Punk came totally out of left field and it makes me think that if Snitsky challenged him he could beat him for the WHC because I've never seen CM Punk beat anybody good. Also TRW....I would just like to point out that if Jeff Hardy and Crack Cocaine weren't BFF's....your penis would be in a jar on your night table right now, because Hardy was the original MITB winner and would have probably been the man to bring the belt back to RAW if everything else worked out the same way. Lucky yoooou, lol  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 13:06:43 GMT -5
He worked his ass off for his whole career, of what, 5 years? Back in the day, some guys worked 10+ years before making it to the big time, let alone winning their first world title. I like CM Punk but yeah, it's too early, but it's still a refreshing change at the same time. A CM Punk/Jericho feud for the title would be great. It's actually almost 9 years. |
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Post by the hell demon on Jul 2, 2008 13:08:31 GMT -5
That's why he's a transitional champ. His purpose of winning was to bring the title over and get Cena over with all the haters since he helped out. Plus turn Bloatista heel again. In essence he is simply there to set up everyone else for their new positions on RAW, which is brilliant from Vince.
Does anyone really think he is up to par with people like Cena and JBL yet?
That's why in the RAW thread after he won when they announced a match with JBL later everyone on here was like "oh man, now he's gonna lose".
Because he's simply not there yet. I'll give it to him he has been a hard worker since he came to WWE which is why this happened. But he still needs some time to get to that top level main event caliber status.
Of course when more guys start to retire (Taker, HBK, etc) he will move up the ladder and be a main event player. But that is a few years away.
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Post by T R W on Jul 2, 2008 13:09:28 GMT -5
It's too soon for me, but it may work anyway. There is something still missing with him for me, that I can't quite put my finger on. But I think it's that they really haven't let him develop much of a personality yet. I mean, he doesn't seem bad on the mic, but I don't know anything about him. I was impressed he was able to lift up JBL for the GTS, so it may be a more valid finisher than I originally thought. I believe what is missing from CM Punk is that we haven't seen him feud with anybody worth while yet! He's had 1 or 2 matches with Chris Jericho that went nowhere, he hasn't feuded with somebody like Kennedy, Hardy, or even MVP. They should have moved CM Punk to RAW and made him IC Champion, get him involved in a feud with somebody that the WWE audience is familiar with. Right now it just seems like after jobbing to everyone on ECW and Smackdown that CM Punk came totally out of left field and it makes me think that if Snitsky challenged him he could beat him for the WHC because I've never seen CM Punk beat anybody good. Also TRW....I would just like to point out that if Jeff Hardy and Crack Cocaine weren't BFF's....your penis would be in a jar on your night table right now, because Hardy was the original MITB winner and would have probably been the man to bring the belt back to RAW if everything else worked out the same way. Lucky yoooou, lol Yeah, I think you're right, about Punk anyway. He hasn't gotten a rub from anyone yet. And yeah, you're right. With him winning, if he fought Val Venis next week, I might think Val could win. As far as Jeff, you're right. But,I am more right, because as I said, he's too lazy and unreliable, which he proved to be exactly right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2008 13:10:01 GMT -5
I like how it happened, but I'll get sick after not long of CM Punk as champ.
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