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Post by deskjet on Feb 14, 2008 13:22:12 GMT -5
No ones taking a shot at ECW losing money. It's clear he couldnt run the business that's why it was gone in 7 years, while I see TNA actually making money and progressing. However you wanna fn slice it, let's cut to the damn chase. The bitchin is about TNA using rehashed gimmicks and in essence ECW, WWE, WCW, have all done the same damn thing so stop trying to make it seem like TNA is the only company that ever did it, no matter how hard you wanna try to make a distinction! Sounds like a piss poor excuse to me
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Feb 14, 2008 14:10:13 GMT -5
I don't consider not turning a profit "making money".
That's just me though...
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Post by deskjet on Feb 14, 2008 14:26:39 GMT -5
I don't consider not turning a profit "making money". That's just me though... might be something you want to check with your math teacher then, Making money and making a profit are two different things. in the buisiness world sometimes thats all that happens for a while..they make money but only enough to pay what needs paid. Most comapnies go through a fluctuation like that,,, some times you profit, sometimes you dont, sometimes you pull even. That's the ups and downs of it. Just read WWE lost money in their filming endeavors and I beeive their buyrates were down this quarter or last...again that's part of the business. Yeah, I know.."WWE can afford to...blah blah blah", But as long as TNA is not losing abundances of money, they are ok from a business vantage point, yes, now of course the goal is to make a profit, but again realistically, that's not always the case. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 19:55:44 GMT -5
This whole Sharkboy thing pretty much turned me off from TNA. Jay Lethal as Randy Savage is something I liked when it started and I have no real problems with it now because Lethal, if given a different gimmick could probably still be as entertaining, atleast in a match. Shark Boy is and always will be a jobber.
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Post by CSUMB84 on Feb 15, 2008 4:44:38 GMT -5
I don't consider not turning a profit "making money". That's just me though... might be something you want to check with your math teacher then, Making money and making a profit are two different things. in the buisiness world sometimes thats all that happens for a while..they make money but only enough to pay what needs paid. Most comapnies go through a fluctuation like that,,, some times you profit, sometimes you dont, sometimes you pull even. That's the ups and downs of it. Just read WWE lost money in their filming endeavors and I beeive their buyrates were down this quarter or last...again that's part of the business. Yeah, I know.."WWE can afford to...blah blah blah", But as long as TNA is not losing abundances of money, they are ok from a business vantage point, yes, now of course the goal is to make a profit, but again realistically, that's not always the case. Let's cut to the chase then...the only reason TNA is still operating is because Panda Energy has been the ones putting the money up and sooner or later, they are gonna want to see a return for all that money. Also, did you bother to read my original post about how the parodies were different in ECW? I will say it for you again...the parodies were used in backstage skits and for one night deals, not to be someone's permanent character. I like Jay Lethal and I thought his Macho Man impression was cool when he first did the impression but come on, Lethal is someone TNA should BE BUILDING on and getting people to know who he is, such as through several video packages to get the audience to know a little about him. All TNA would have to do is look at how the original ECW exposed their audience to new talent and they would be sitting on a freaking goldmine. For example, Jay Lethal has the perfect last name to build on, Why not have him just brutally beat down Johnny Devine, or anyone for that matter, after a match and have him cut a promo saying that its time for him to start living up to his name, "Lethal." |
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Post by Heresy on Feb 15, 2008 15:44:17 GMT -5
No ones taking a shot at ECW losing money. ECW died off years ago... should we still be arguing over whether the Montreal Screwjob was work? No, because it's done with. The bitchin is about TNA using rehashed gimmicks and in essence ECW, WWE, WCW, have all done the same damn thing so stop trying to make it seem like TNA is the only company that ever did it, no matter how hard you wanna try to make a distinction! Sounds like a piss poor excuse to me The distinction is as clear as day... TNA has borrowed more ideas, stolen more gimmicks, and pushed more outside names than any other promotion. Just look at TNA's title history. Just look at the ratio of pushed homegrowns to pushed WWE/WCW/ECW guys. WCW? They had nWo, Wargames, Flair, Sting, Goldberg, DDP, Harlem Heat... I could go on forever... the WWE and ECW wrestlers they did use they gave unique-WCW specific gimmicks, and they became bigger in WCW as a result (with few exeptions.) TNA could never make a WWE wrestler bigger than he already is because it is the place where WWE wrestlers wind down and "pad their pensions." I don't even need to defend WWE and ECW... they were original for the most part. |
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Post by deskjet on Feb 15, 2008 16:37:44 GMT -5
No ones taking a shot at ECW losing money. ECW died off years ago... should we still be arguing over whether the Montreal Screwjob was work? No, because it's done with. The bitchin is about TNA using rehashed gimmicks and in essence ECW, WWE, WCW, have all done the same damn thing so stop trying to make it seem like TNA is the only company that ever did it, no matter how hard you wanna try to make a distinction! Sounds like a piss poor excuse to me The distinction is as clear as day... TNA has borrowed more ideas, stolen more gimmicks, and pushed more outside names than any other promotion. Just look at TNA's title history. Just look at the ratio of pushed homegrowns to pushed WWE/WCW/ECW guys. WCW? They had nWo, Wargames, Flair, Sting, Goldberg, DDP, Harlem Heat... I could go on forever... the WWE and ECW wrestlers they did use they gave unique-WCW specific gimmicks, and they became bigger in WCW as a result (with few exeptions.) TNA could never make a WWE wrestler bigger than he already is because it is the place where WWE wrestlers wind down and "pad their pensions." I don't even need to defend WWE and ECW... they were original for the most part. Ripper and CSUM: I'm not denying they've done it more but people act like all of a sudden TNA "cant be origianl" because they are borrowing stuff or wrestlers from other companies, when it's always been that way. We can argue to waht degree, but no one can deny that it has been prevalent in wrestling since the get go. Sure TNA has had an influx of WWE formers but again, it's happened before, but in all fairness to making new stars outta established ones, what more exactly can you do with the like of Angle, Booker T, Christain Cage? They are who they are_ The gave Dustin a gimmick and everyone shyts on that. hey try to give Lethal, Shark =boy something that people can identify with and people shyt on that...so what if it's rhashed, it gets them noticed...It's beter tahn them sitting around with no gimmick at all and thus no interest, then they end up getting shelved and sent off to WWE or Japan. Everyone wants SB and Lrthal to have their own gimmicks...I ask why? What's so wrong with what they are doing? They are not trying to be the actual person, they are making a parody of it, and it works...They had storyline of both men to build towards their character change. Again outside the complaining by people that.."OMFGFHFDSJ, they steall from WWE"...I dont see the problem I think people need to look at what TNA is trying to do with these characters and this WWE influnce instead of exactly what they are doing. Again, TNA is trying to appeal to the mainstream market, but I do think its time for them to level out a bit and get back to divsion distinctions and better storyline development. The characters I feel are established enough. |
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Feb 15, 2008 18:07:48 GMT -5
Despite the fact i find the angle funny, i completly agree with lance (as i often do)
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Post by bowlofpetunias on Feb 15, 2008 21:50:52 GMT -5
dsekejt, I know this is nit-picking and whatnot but if you're going to do the Internet thing of over-exaggerating a statement by misspelling it and riddling it with typos, at least make sure your normal response isn't misspelled and filled with typos. It makes you an easy target.
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Post by deskjet on Feb 16, 2008 15:23:35 GMT -5
dsekejt, I know this is nit-picking and whatnot but if you're going to do the Internet thing of over-exaggerating a statement by misspelling it and riddling it with typos, at least make sure your normal response isn't misspelled and filled with typos. It makes you an easy target. serioulsy,I type fast and dont bother with going back through and editing, becasue i figure most people can understand, I'll try to work on it thgugh  ;D |
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Post by mercennario1080 on Feb 16, 2008 16:50:34 GMT -5
WWE used nWo.
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Post by CSUMB84 on Feb 17, 2008 4:11:47 GMT -5
Well, I know this will do no good with the TNA fans who think everything in the company is fine and dandy, but here is what Heyman said about TNA in a recent interview with the Sun:
Could TNA ever challenge WWE?: I think TNA has a major hurdle to overcome — and that's the fact that they have no BRAND. There's no one on that roster that is branded TNA. You look at Kurt Angle and you think WWE. You look at Booker T and think WCW. You look at The Dudleys and think ECW or WWE or even tables. You look at Samoa Joe, who should be the TNA guy, and you "think this guy's great, when's he going to WWE?". Are there hot moments? Sure. Are there personalities to like? Sure. Is there a good work rate? Sure. But there is no TNA style, TNA persona or TNA brand.
What he thinks of ROH: I am very proud of Gabe. He has learned from all of the strengths of ECW and also our weaknesses. He's developed a niche audience that is loyal to the Ring Of Honor product. With no resources, Gabe has branded Ring Of Honor far better than the multi-multi-million dollar TNA product. When you see Ring Of Honor you know what you are watching. When you see a certain style you know it's the ROH style. On Ring Of Honor's worst day he still delivers more bang for your buck than most people do on their best.
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Post by Adam on Feb 17, 2008 10:02:58 GMT -5
God, I love Paul Heyman...
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Post by Heresy on Feb 17, 2008 20:20:22 GMT -5
Could TNA ever challenge WWE?: I think TNA has a major hurdle to overcome ? and that's the fact that they have no BRAND. There's no one on that roster that is branded TNA. You look at Kurt Angle and you think WWE. You look at Booker T and think WCW. You look at The Dudleys and think ECW or WWE or even tables. You look at Samoa Joe, who should be the TNA guy, and you "think this guy's great, when's he going to WWE?". Are there hot moments? Sure. Are there personalities to like? Sure. Is there a good work rate? Sure. But there is no TNA style, TNA persona or TNA brand. Glad to see Paul Heyman say the same thing I've been saying for months and months and months now about how TNA hasn't created an identity for itself. Great minds think alike. ;D |
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Feb 17, 2008 20:30:14 GMT -5
save_tna.paulE
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Post by jake_317 on Feb 17, 2008 23:41:13 GMT -5
Deskjet, what they are trying to say is...TNA are re-using gimmicks that every fed had before. TNA are the last people to ever to something up to date.
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Post by nightprowler on Feb 18, 2008 13:05:04 GMT -5
I should be the last guy to say this, but. WCW barely changed former ECW/WWF gimmicks, The Public Enemy still were 2 white dudes that rapped & put people through tables. Sandman was Hak, but that was the only difference. Mikey Whipwreck- still a jobber. Franchise was still the Franchise (albeit watered down for television.) Hulk Hogan was still Hulk Hogan in the red & yellow until nWo.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Feb 18, 2008 17:33:02 GMT -5
I should be the last guy to say this, but. WCW barely changed former ECW/WWF gimmicks, The Public Enemy still were 2 white dudes that rapped & put people through tables. Sandman was Hak, but that was the only difference. Mikey Whipwreck- still a jobber. Franchise was still the Franchise (albeit watered down for television.) Hulk Hogan was still Hulk Hogan in the red & yellow until nWo. Those were people using the same gimmicks they already had, not co-opting someone else's. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Feb 18, 2008 20:29:11 GMT -5
*bows down to Lance Storm and his wisdom*
That is all.
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Post by deskjet on Feb 19, 2008 14:11:24 GMT -5
I think what people are failing to realize is that TNA is not trying to make their own versions of _____WWE wrestlers, but they are using it for comedy, entertainment, etc. And again, I cant fault a company who tries to appeal to the mass audiences for using gimmicks that have worked in the past in a toungue and cheek way. Now Mesias/Abyss is a little iffy and Black reign is kinda a mixture of all the stuff Dustin is known for. But outside of that, that's it. When TNA tries to be original with their own stuff, people gripe about that..ie...rock and Rave, serotonin, etc...so just becasue someone says the gimmick sucks doenst tkae away from it being original. I didnt see Matt Bentley trying to be HBK, which they coulda, or some bald guy runnin around talking like Stone cold. Again, too nit picky about stuff when their are more glaring issues..ie...editing, divsion dsinstinctions. I even had someone on here a while ago suggest rhino act like a rhino and come out and snort and grunt...If that's some of you all;s idea of creativity then please dont quit your day jobs.
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