madness1
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Post by madness1 on Oct 22, 2008 19:27:07 GMT -5
To anyone who saw the 24/7 round table in which Ric Flair buries the NWO as the worst faction of all time  I love Flair but why is it he always talks **** about people who didn't kiss his ass? NWO for all it's faults made the biggest impact of any faction in wrestling. I mean they almost single handly took down the WWE. Flair can't make that clam with the Horsemen. In fact WCW lost money every year till the NWO. Now granted they probably wouldn't haven't even stayed afloat without Flair but the fact remains, Flair didn't draw the money NWO did. Flair always talks crap about DDP, Hogan, DX(excludes HHH and HBK of course) And any faction he wasn't involved with. Flair always brags about being the 16 time world champ. And Flair was a great heel but he only had two decent title runs. His buddies were also the bookers that's another reason he's had the belt so much. I just believe Flair is way over rated. He IS one of the top 10 greastest wrestlers but the Greatest? A)matter of opinion and B) belts don't make you the greatest. |
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 22, 2008 22:56:40 GMT -5
Flair buried the nWo more as a backstage group then what was seen in ring. Everyone can say that Hall Nash and Hogan drew great money for WCW, which they did, but they also cost WCW A LOT of money too. Not to mention these 3 men "not letting go" is one of the things that cost WCW its existence. Flair is a very loyal company man. He would do anything for WCW to try to help them make a profit. The NWA Title was determined by a committee so bookers didnt really have much to do with it until it was more WCW. Rhodes, Herd, Nash, Frey, Russo, Ferrera, Bischoff were all bookers for WCW during Flairs tenure and none of them are really his "buddies". He and Rhodes are friends now but back in the days there were ill feelings. The only "buddies" he ever had booking that were friends were Watts, Ole and Sullivan. The nWo may have started the boom for that era of wrestling but they also are the ones that started killing wrestling that we use to know. When it comes to lousy backstage politics, you have to look no further then Hall, Nash, HBK and HHH......Entertainment wise, the nWo was one of the top 3 factions of all time...But "best for the business" wise...the nWo was terrible......and remember before the nWo..there was the Horsemen and Freebirds so without them there wouldn't be an nWo.
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Post by madness1 on Oct 22, 2008 23:12:21 GMT -5
Flair buried the nWo more as a backstage group then what was seen in ring. Everyone can say that Hall Nash and Hogan drew great money for WCW, which they did, but they also cost WCW A LOT of money too. Not to mention these 3 men "not letting go" is one of the things that cost WCW its existence. Flair is a very loyal company man. He would do anything for WCW to try to help them make a profit. The NWA Title was determined by a committee so bookers didnt really have much to do with it until it was more WCW. Rhodes, Herd, Nash, Frey, Russo, Ferrera, Bischoff were all bookers for WCW during Flairs tenure and none of them are really his "buddies". He and Rhodes are friends now but back in the days there were ill feelings. The only "buddies" he ever had booking that were friends were Watts, Ole and Sullivan. The nWo may have started the boom for that era of wrestling but they also are the ones that started killing wrestling that we use to know. When it comes to lousy backstage politics, you have to look no further then Hall, Nash, HBK and HHH......Entertainment wise, the nWo was one of the top 3 factions of all time...But "best for the business" wise...the nWo was terrible......and remember before the nWo..there was the Horsemen and Freebirds so without them there wouldn't be an nWo. You know I always here that quote from JR without the Horsemen there would be no NWO yada yada. Factions have been around for a long time before the Horsemen, (some would call them stables)there just the ones that get pushed in your face all the time cause everyone drools over Ric. I don't want to act like they wern't innovative because they were. As far as backstage politics Flair is right up there with Hogan and HBK it's just he lost alot of power for his politicing when Hogan and Bishoff took over. I mean no one is going to belive someone who wears the belt that many times doesn't have buddies in charge the only one who comes close is HHH and I don't need to go into his pull in the company  And I agree with you with the NWO helping kill the business. Who knows if they would have even went as long as they would have if the NWO never would have formed. Since WWE did get Austin and the Rock they probably would have dominated regardless. |
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 22, 2008 23:39:04 GMT -5
Flair buried the nWo more as a backstage group then what was seen in ring. Everyone can say that Hall Nash and Hogan drew great money for WCW, which they did, but they also cost WCW A LOT of money too. Not to mention these 3 men "not letting go" is one of the things that cost WCW its existence. Flair is a very loyal company man. He would do anything for WCW to try to help them make a profit. The NWA Title was determined by a committee so bookers didnt really have much to do with it until it was more WCW. Rhodes, Herd, Nash, Frey, Russo, Ferrera, Bischoff were all bookers for WCW during Flairs tenure and none of them are really his "buddies". He and Rhodes are friends now but back in the days there were ill feelings. The only "buddies" he ever had booking that were friends were Watts, Ole and Sullivan. The nWo may have started the boom for that era of wrestling but they also are the ones that started killing wrestling that we use to know. When it comes to lousy backstage politics, you have to look no further then Hall, Nash, HBK and HHH......Entertainment wise, the nWo was one of the top 3 factions of all time...But "best for the business" wise...the nWo was terrible......and remember before the nWo..there was the Horsemen and Freebirds so without them there wouldn't be an nWo. You know I always here that quote from JR without the Horsemen there would be no NWO yada yada. Factions have been around for a long time before the Horsemen, (some would call them stables)there just the ones that get pushed in your face all the time cause everyone drools over Ric. I don't want to act like they wern't innovative because they were. As far as backstage politics Flair is right up there with Hogan and HBK it's just he lost alot of power for his politicing when Hogan and Bishoff took over. I mean no one is going to belive someone who wears the belt that many times doesn't have buddies in charge the only one who comes close is HHH and I don't need to go into his pull in the company And I agree with you with the NWO helping kill the business. Who knows if they would have even went as long as they would have if the NWO never would have formed. Since WWE did get Austin and the Rock they probably would have dominated regardless. Just for arguments sake, what factions/Stables/groups were around before the Horsemen? As far as I know the Freebirds were the 1st followed by the Horsemen. Groups like Heenan's Family, Paul Jones Army later followed....Also I consider 3 or more members a stable. 2 is only a tag team |
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Oct 23, 2008 11:46:50 GMT -5
You know I always here that quote from JR without the Horsemen there would be no NWO yada yada. Factions have been around for a long time before the Horsemen, (some would call them stables)there just the ones that get pushed in your face all the time cause everyone drools over Ric. I don't want to act like they wern't innovative because they were. As far as backstage politics Flair is right up there with Hogan and HBK it's just he lost alot of power for his politicing when Hogan and Bishoff took over. I mean no one is going to belive someone who wears the belt that many times doesn't have buddies in charge the only one who comes close is HHH and I don't need to go into his pull in the company And I agree with you with the NWO helping kill the business. Who knows if they would have even went as long as they would have if the NWO never would have formed. Since WWE did get Austin and the Rock they probably would have dominated regardless. Just for arguments sake, what factions/Stables/groups were around before the Horsemen? As far as I know the Freebirds were the 1st followed by the Horsemen. Groups like Heenan's Family, Paul Jones Army later followed....Also I consider 3 or more members a stable. 2 is only a tag team Technically, Heenan's Family was before all of that. But it wasn't the same thing. In that case it was a bunch of guys hired by a manager. With Horsemen, as well as the Freebirds, it was a gang of guys looking out for each other. also, in regards to Ole being his buddy. He talks about in his documentary that when he came back and Ole was in charge, Ole basically said that he wasn't a money player anymore. Or something to that effect. Ole ruined their friendship, basically. |
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Post by LeighD on Oct 23, 2008 14:07:59 GMT -5
To anyone who saw the 24/7 round table in which Ric Flair buries the NWO as the worst faction of all time I love Flair but why is it he always talks **** about people who didn't kiss his ass? NWO for all it's faults made the biggest impact of any faction in wrestling. While I do disagree with Flair in that the NWO was not the worst faction of all-time. Flair always brags about being the 16 time world champ. And Flair was a great heel but he only had two decent title runs. His buddies were also the bookers that's another reason he's had the belt so much. I just believe Flair is way over rated. In the NWA the NWA BOD vote on whom to put the belt on, which should now say something about how many times Ric Flair wore the NWA Title. I don't think Flair is overrated as people whom grew up on wrestling post-80's will never really feel the Flair effect. In the south, Flair could draw. It was/is that simple. To really understand the kind of impact Flair made on wrestling is hard to do presently. To really appreciate Flair's presence in wrestling, you had to grow up with him. Flair could be matched up with anyone and have an awesome match. Sting, Funk, Luger, Steamboat, Vader, Hogan, Savage, etc. Not to say these guys are not great in-ring wrestlers, but Flair's matches with them in the 80s and early-90s were truly classic stuff. |
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 23, 2008 14:48:19 GMT -5
To anyone who saw the 24/7 round table in which Ric Flair buries the NWO as the worst faction of all time I love Flair but why is it he always talks **** about people who didn't kiss his ass? NWO for all it's faults made the biggest impact of any faction in wrestling. While I do disagree with Flair in that the NWO was not the worst faction of all-time. Flair always brags about being the 16 time world champ. And Flair was a great heel but he only had two decent title runs. His buddies were also the bookers that's another reason he's had the belt so much. I just believe Flair is way over rated. In the NWA the NWA BOD vote on whom to put the belt on, which should now say something about how many times Ric Flair wore the NWA Title. I don't think Flair is overrated as people whom grew up on wrestling post-80's will never really feel the Flair effect. In the south, Flair could draw. It was/is that simple. To really understand the kind of impact Flair made on wrestling is hard to do presently. To really appreciate Flair's presence in wrestling, you had to grow up with him. Flair could be matched up with anyone and have an awesome match. Sting, Funk, Luger, Steamboat, Vader, Hogan, Savage, etc. Not to say these guys are not great in-ring wrestlers, but Flair's matches with them in the 80s and early-90s were truly classic stuff. Also typically in the south, Wrestling in the 80s was looked at as a "sport" Flair could go to Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky and draw, but there was a guy who wasnt a good "wrestler" by the name of Sterling Golden who spent some time in the south but couldnt draw because his look and skills wasnt that of a wrestler who is making the business look like a sport....of course that guy went up north and became huge where everything has been about entertainment. |
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