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Post by bobvandam on Nov 6, 2008 19:46:12 GMT -5
So they say ROH is pretty much a spot fest.
A lot of old school wrestlers say a spot fest is cheap and not good for the business. So how do you feel about it? Are the old school wrestlers just bitter or are the right?
Spot fest = future wwe? Will tna be able to steal new viewers with their "spot fest" wrestlers? Even with their bad "gimmicks".
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Post by Iron Man on Nov 6, 2008 19:48:17 GMT -5
Store Telling is dead and buried. They need to move on and do spot fest matches to keep people excited and tuned into the product. Especially the casual fan
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Nov 6, 2008 19:49:43 GMT -5
I hate spot fests myself, but that's just me.
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Post by Joey Cush on Nov 6, 2008 19:52:20 GMT -5
Evan Bourne was having the match of the night every night he wrestled, in most people on here's opinion. So.... Spot Fest can really make people like the poduct.
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Post by unionjack on Nov 6, 2008 19:58:15 GMT -5
spot matches
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Nov 6, 2008 20:02:14 GMT -5
I prefer the style of people like Austin, Savage, Benoit and Taker. They try and story tell with maybe having a key spot in a match and not making the style too slow to really give the effect of a match being tough and a hard fought contest but spot matches are good to keep excitment in matches which haven't been giving good time or contain a large number of people.
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Post by WOOOOOOO!! on Nov 6, 2008 20:02:55 GMT -5
I dont understand...is it not possible to tell a story in a match while having some big spots? I mean...the whole argument makes some sense, but...its seems more like the "old school" fans arent willing to give anything new a chance. But at the same token fans of "spot fest matches" get bored with story telling....
I refuse to believe that there isnt some sort of happy medium between the two...
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Post by WFK on Nov 6, 2008 20:02:47 GMT -5
I'm assuming a nice mix of the two is not an option?
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Post by CBT on Nov 6, 2008 20:06:34 GMT -5
ROH is spotfest city?
I would have ruled in favor of false finishes, long matches, and the occasional lack of entertainment in terms of taking yourself to serious as a wrestler, other-wise known as vanilla syndrome.
Correct me though if I'm wrong, but isn't ROH the one that gets heckled for focusing on story-telling, WWE is a hybrid with to much of either, and TNA is spotfest matches that really don't make sense but get fans to cheer TNA for the hell of it?
To answer the question, I like story-telling. I like matches that make you feel an upset is coming, and you don't know who will be the one to pull it off.
However, spotfest matches can really be MOTY candidates. Like Mysterio vs Sabu from ONS 2006. Maybe not a MOTY, but the match was highly enjoyable, and it didn't even have a finish. It ended with both men unable to.
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Post by bobvandam on Nov 6, 2008 20:11:30 GMT -5
ROH is spotfest city? I would have ruled in favor of false finishes, long matches, and the occasional lack of entertainment in terms of taking yourself to serious as a wrestler, other-wise known as vanilla syndrome. Correct me though if I'm wrong, but isn't ROH the one that gets heckled for focusing on story-telling, WWE is a hybrid with to much of either, and TNA is spotfest matches that really don't make sense but get fans to cheer TNA for the hell of it? To answer the question, I like story-telling. I like matches that make you feel an upset is coming, and you don't know who will be the one to pull it off. However, spotfest matches can really be MOTY candidates. Like Mysterio vs Sabu from ONS 2006. Maybe not a MOTY, but the match was highly enjoyable, and it didn't even have a finish. It ended with both men unable to. ROH story? LOL? Im sorry morishima as ROH champion never really had a storyline. Let alone the briscoes. However I love all three of them and no storyline is needed for me to watch them wrestle.
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Post by CBT on Nov 6, 2008 20:17:09 GMT -5
ROH is spotfest city? I would have ruled in favor of false finishes, long matches, and the occasional lack of entertainment in terms of taking yourself to serious as a wrestler, other-wise known as vanilla syndrome. Correct me though if I'm wrong, but isn't ROH the one that gets heckled for focusing on story-telling, WWE is a hybrid with to much of either, and TNA is spotfest matches that really don't make sense but get fans to cheer TNA for the hell of it? To answer the question, I like story-telling. I like matches that make you feel an upset is coming, and you don't know who will be the one to pull it off. However, spotfest matches can really be MOTY candidates. Like Mysterio vs Sabu from ONS 2006. Maybe not a MOTY, but the match was highly enjoyable, and it didn't even have a finish. It ended with both men unable to. ROH story? LOL? Im sorry morishima as ROH champion never really had a storyline. Let alone the briscoes. However I love all three of them and no storyline is needed for me to watch them wrestle. So let's discount ROH's talent roster being diverse? Bryan Danielson, Austin Aries, Nigel McGuinness and Tyler Black could all have a bone to pick with you, and they wouldn't be alone. You can say Nigel throws out lariats, left and right, like a spotfest and you'd be half true... but you can't honestly call ROH a spotfest company. That's like saying Austin Aries, Necro Butcher, Jack Evans and Chris Hero all wrestle the same type of match.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 6, 2008 20:21:34 GMT -5
I've seen matches that tell good stories that still are spotfests.
Eddie Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar, No Way Out 2004.
You tell me the last half isn't a spotfest...
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Post by T R W on Nov 6, 2008 20:21:13 GMT -5
I enjoy spot fests sometimes, but not in my main event. For my main event, I want the fight to tell a story.
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Post by bobvandam on Nov 6, 2008 20:24:53 GMT -5
ROH story? LOL? Im sorry morishima as ROH champion never really had a storyline. Let alone the briscoes. However I love all three of them and no storyline is needed for me to watch them wrestle. So let's discount ROH's talent roster being diverse? Bryan Danielson, Austin Aries, Nigel McGuinness and Tyler Black could all have a bone to pick with you, and they wouldn't be alone. You can say Nigel throws out lariats, left and right, like a spotfest and you'd be half true... but you can't honestly call ROH a spotfest company. That's like saying Austin Aries, Necro Butcher, Jack Evans and Chris Hero all wrestle the same type of match. Austin Aries is a spot fest wrestler. Nigel McGuinness bores the hell out of me don't care about him. Bryan Danielson is more of a wrestler than anything. His mic skills sucks. More like a dynamite kid. Tyler Black wtf? ROH is a spot fest. And roh fans would agree with me. No one watches for the lame attempt at the storylines. OH! NO!! age of the fall!!!!
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Post by CBT on Nov 6, 2008 20:29:08 GMT -5
So let's discount ROH's talent roster being diverse? Bryan Danielson, Austin Aries, Nigel McGuinness and Tyler Black could all have a bone to pick with you, and they wouldn't be alone. You can say Nigel throws out lariats, left and right, like a spotfest and you'd be half true... but you can't honestly call ROH a spotfest company. That's like saying Austin Aries, Necro Butcher, Jack Evans and Chris Hero all wrestle the same type of match. Austin Aries is a spot fest wrestler. Nigel McGuinness bores the hell out of me don't care about him. Bryan Danielson is more of a wrestler than anything. His mic skills sucks. More like a dynamite kid. Tyler Black wtf? ROH is a spot fest. And roh fans would agree with me. No one watches for the lame attempt at the storylines. OH! NO!! age of the fall!!!! I'm really not even challenging your opinion, it's yours, and you can have it. Seriously though, how is mic skills remotely relevant to "Spotfest vs Story telling" in a WRESTLING MATCH? ....I guess I spoke to soon when I said the WWE board improved over the years. There's still those like yourself who say one thing, and would change what they say in a heartbeat, just as soon as the wrestler is finding success in the WWE. That or bitch, because you don't get much of a chance to see them in their prime, and WWE brings you the watered down version.
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 6, 2008 20:30:15 GMT -5
If you want good storytelling, it's probably best to watch 80s NWA or 90s AJPW. I don't really see any promotion coming close to those two. Most promotions are full of spots on their cards now.
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Post by LeighD on Nov 6, 2008 20:32:57 GMT -5
MITB and Ladder Matches are Spotfests 101. I prefer story-telling, but do like the occasional spotfest match. To be honest, you cannot have all of one and none of the other. Spotfests are cool, but once all the spots are done/known, it becomes boring.
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Post by bobvandam on Nov 6, 2008 20:33:51 GMT -5
Austin Aries is a spot fest wrestler. Nigel McGuinness bores the hell out of me don't care about him. Bryan Danielson is more of a wrestler than anything. His mic skills sucks. More like a dynamite kid. Tyler Black wtf? ROH is a spot fest. And roh fans would agree with me. No one watches for the lame attempt at the storylines. OH! NO!! age of the fall!!!! I'm really not even challenging your opinion, it's yours, and you can have it. Seriously though, how is mic skills remotely relevant to "Spotfest vs Story telling" in a WRESTLING MATCH? ....I guess I spoke to soon when I said the WWE board improved over the years. There's still those like yourself who say one thing, and would change what they say in a heartbeat, just as soon as the wrestler is finding success in the WWE. That or bitch, because you don't get much of a chance to see them in their prime, and WWE brings you the watered down version. Spotfest = no mic skills needed. Story Telling wrestling match = Mic skill pretty important.
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Post by Max on Nov 6, 2008 20:38:03 GMT -5
So let's discount ROH's talent roster being diverse? Bryan Danielson, Austin Aries, Nigel McGuinness and Tyler Black could all have a bone to pick with you, and they wouldn't be alone. You can say Nigel throws out lariats, left and right, like a spotfest and you'd be half true... but you can't honestly call ROH a spotfest company. That's like saying Austin Aries, Necro Butcher, Jack Evans and Chris Hero all wrestle the same type of match. Austin Aries is a spot fest wrestler. Nigel McGuinness bores the hell out of me don't care about him. Bryan Danielson is more of a wrestler than anything. His mic skills sucks. More like a dynamite kid. Tyler Black wtf? ROH is a spot fest. And roh fans would agree with me. No one watches for the lame attempt at the storylines. OH! NO!! age of the fall!!!! AOTF vs. Aries has been better than any of your WWE feuds. Look at Take No Prisoners to see Tyler Black storytell. And honestly Nigel is one of the best damn heels. He tries to (and acts like a) total ass and using a move a repeated amount of times reminds me of Randy Or.... And Aries is a damn good hybrid of both. And do you even know AmDrag's gimmick? BTW resize your sig and stop spamming
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 6, 2008 20:39:51 GMT -5
ROH isn't a spot fest, it's pretty eclectic actually.
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