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Post by CBT on Nov 6, 2008 20:42:22 GMT -5
I'm really not even challenging your opinion, it's yours, and you can have it. Seriously though, how is mic skills remotely relevant to "Spotfest vs Story telling" in a WRESTLING MATCH? ....I guess I spoke to soon when I said the WWE board improved over the years. There's still those like yourself who say one thing, and would change what they say in a heartbeat, just as soon as the wrestler is finding success in the WWE. That or bitch, because you don't get much of a chance to see them in their prime, and WWE brings you the watered down version. Spotfest = no mic skills needed. Story Telling wrestling match = Mic skill pretty important. Sorry about my short-coming. Had not read a post of yours prior to replying.... I should really learn to avoid arguments with the mentally challenged.
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Post by WalterF on Nov 6, 2008 21:08:51 GMT -5
I love a match with good psychology and storytelling over all. I love having some spots thrown in at appropriate times to add to the story, but overall storytelling is most important.
When it turns into spot after spot after spot, I think it just loses too much realism and looks too rehearsed and choreographed. Some of my favorite matches don't include many big spots such as the WM12 HBk/Bret match, the Flair/Steamboat Wrestlewar 89' match, etc.
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Post by HugoOne on Nov 6, 2008 21:15:30 GMT -5
Store Telling is dead and buried. They need to move on and do spot fest matches to keep people excited and tuned into the product. Especially the casual fan Storytelling is far from "dead and buried." Cena, for example, is a story teller. So is Edge outside of gimmick matches. So is Triple H. Jeff Hardy has become more of a story teller. I've seen matches that tell good stories that still are spotfests. Eddie Guerrero vs Brock Lesnar, No Way Out 2004. You tell me the last half isn't a spotfest... I will. The last half isn't a spotfest. I enjoy a spot fest that's done WELL (Wrestlemania 21 Money in the Bank had spots AND psychology). The problem with spot fests is that they just don't age well. Most of the spots that seem exciting at the time are outdone and get old a few years later. Meanwhile, story telling matches stay fresh and survive the test of time more times than not. I'd take a match with psychology over a match made up of spot after spot any day of the week.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Nov 6, 2008 21:18:12 GMT -5
I'm really not even challenging your opinion, it's yours, and you can have it. Seriously though, how is mic skills remotely relevant to "Spotfest vs Story telling" in a WRESTLING MATCH? ....I guess I spoke to soon when I said the WWE board improved over the years. There's still those like yourself who say one thing, and would change what they say in a heartbeat, just as soon as the wrestler is finding success in the WWE. That or bitch, because you don't get much of a chance to see them in their prime, and WWE brings you the watered down version. Spotfest = no mic skills needed. Story Telling wrestling match = Mic skill pretty important. LOL @ you attempting to sound like you know what you're talking about and failing miserably you obviously have NO idea what the difference is between STORYLINES leading up to a match and STORYTELLING during the match...
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Nov 6, 2008 23:17:58 GMT -5
I'm assuming a nice mix of the two is not an option? Exactly. The best feuds of the Attitude era were the three way tag feud of Hardyz, Dudleyz & E&C, Austin vs McMahon, and Rock vs Mankind. Those matches told a story, while having breathtaking spots.
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Post by Fiasco on Nov 7, 2008 3:31:13 GMT -5
May I ask whats a spotfest?
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Post by carly1988 on Nov 7, 2008 4:03:32 GMT -5
HUGE spots....as much as we like them....Killed professional wrestling
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Post by s☠e on Nov 7, 2008 4:03:51 GMT -5
Evan Bourne was having the match of the night every night he wrestled, in most people on here's opinion. So.... Spot Fest can really make people like the poduct. LOL they were not spot fests. Yeh, he had the match of the WEEK every week, because his matches actually had WRESTLING in them. Not a shitload of varying headlocks/punches/kness/kicks/clotheslines/pinfalls that every other match has.
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Post by Wfigs #1 Metal-Head on Nov 7, 2008 8:13:22 GMT -5
I don't really understand. There can be storytelling and spot fests (Which if done right makes a good match)
I'll use an example. Kane Vs. Mysterio Rey has to do all this flips and highflying moves to knock kane down to his feet. Kane is twice the size of rey, if rey doesn't move he's gonna get destoryed. There we go, story told.
But if want a match that has: A good story A good in-ring telling story. A good match without too many spots. Austin Vs. The Rock ....Enough said.
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Post by newfrigginshow on Nov 7, 2008 9:39:59 GMT -5
If you want the perfect example of how spots can be used with storytelling watch any HBK match. I still do enjoy the occasional ROH spotfest, but I can't watch too many of them.
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Post by STOMWIJF on Nov 7, 2008 10:31:35 GMT -5
A match needs to have some spots, but they loose their value if you have too many of them in every match. These days wrestlers are getting too pre-occupied with doing the spot that they forget to decently sell.
I'd like to see a "story telling" match with a few good spots and a few good sells of those spots.
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Post by samsson on Nov 7, 2008 11:47:01 GMT -5
For anyone that isn't sure what a match with Good story telling and the right amount of spots look at any Jericho/Benoit or Benoit/Angle matches. The problem with alot of wrestling (example:TNA they just do spots with out any build up to the move.I have seen them actually start matches off flipping all over the damn place )At least make it where you have gotten the opponent into a position to hit him with the move otherwise it looks like someone already stated rehearsed.Oh Yeah could you SELL the damn move alittle better who recovers from getting dropped on their head so fast
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Post by flying-shorty on Nov 7, 2008 12:17:04 GMT -5
unfortunately im probably a bit of a spot whore, i dont pay enough attention to full matches. but the occasional big spots are best, not all the time
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Post by thepeopleschamp on Nov 7, 2008 15:01:18 GMT -5
I dont understand...is it not possible to tell a story in a match while having some big spots? I mean...the whole argument makes some sense, but...its seems more like the "old school" fans arent willing to give anything new a chance. But at the same token fans of "spot fest matches" get bored with story telling.... I refuse to believe that there isnt some sort of happy medium between the two...
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Nov 7, 2008 16:43:16 GMT -5
Spotfest = no mic skills needed. Story Telling wrestling match = Mic skill pretty important. Benoit?
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Nov 7, 2008 17:20:39 GMT -5
I love all styles of wrestling especially the classic story telling technical match and spotfest matches. I can be entertained by a great one hour technical classic like HBK/Bret from WrestleMania 12 which I laugh at when the kids here say it was too long and boring but I also like to watch matches that involve a lot of cool moves and flippy flips.
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Post by HugoOne on Nov 7, 2008 17:38:23 GMT -5
May I ask whats a spotfest? A spot fest is when the match more or less mainly consists of big spots with no flow. Like someone going to hit a plancha over the top, and then both men getting back in the ring and going right into a hurricanrana off the top. And just so forth. There's no psychology.
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Post by RBW on Nov 7, 2008 21:29:22 GMT -5
I prefer the style of people like Austin, Savage, Benoit and Taker. They try and story tell with maybe having a key spot in a match and not making the style too slow to really give the effect of a match being tough and a hard fought contest but spot matches are good to keep excitment in matches which haven't been giving good time or contain a large number of people. Those people could Wrestle and tell a story. When they fought it seemed like they were really fighting a tough battle but still entertaining. I love ROH and WWE is still good but they need a mixture between the two I say have Spotfest moments and fill the rest of the match with a realistic pace, such as 'Takers brawling or Benoits Wrestling
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Post by jericholic226 on Nov 7, 2008 23:42:22 GMT -5
i think story telling is pretty important because it keeps you interested and while the mtach is finishing up your on the edge of your seat not knowing who will win and getting excited when a guy kicks on a false finish but on the other hand spot-fests are unbelievable and amazing to watch and gets me out of my seat when i see something i never seen before so i pretty much love both styles
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Post by oneil4life on Nov 9, 2008 12:45:28 GMT -5
Store Telling is dead and buried. They need to move on and do spot fest matches to keep people excited and tuned into the product. Especially the casual fan see I disagree, I think you can tell a story and people will love it and at the same time use some stratigic spots during matches that grab peoples attention.... an example is hardy doing the swanton, originally people just loved it, but the end of things he had to do it from the tops of latters though table to get the same reaction. plus from the point of view of a wrestler, spot matches are much more dangerous for the workers and what good is it if we have spot matches only to not have the wrestler for months at a time due to injury
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