madness1
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Post by madness1 on Nov 15, 2008 11:31:06 GMT -5
Here's the link. Basically Halloween Havoc 99 hogan lays down for Sting. Does anyone know the story to this? Was is another Russo shoot or was Hogan being a prima donna? If this was a russo idea at a ppv no less, it's no wonder WCW went out of buisness.
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 15, 2008 14:17:53 GMT -5
it was russo's idea, one of a hundred million angles that didn't go anywhere.
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Post by LeighD on Nov 15, 2008 15:36:32 GMT -5
Russo trying a worked shoot that (as Jimmy said) didn't go anywhere or do anything expect piss fans off.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Nov 16, 2008 2:57:25 GMT -5
Here's the link. Basically Halloween Havoc 99 hogan lays down for Sting. Does anyone know the story to this? Was is another Russo shoot or was Hogan being a prima donna? If this was a russo idea at a ppv no less, it's no wonder WCW went out of buisness. I wish people would stop saying that. If the Turner networks would've kept wrestling on their stations, or if they would've found another channel, Russo's booking would've not changed WCW's success. |
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Post by LeighD on Nov 16, 2008 7:35:25 GMT -5
Here's the link. Basically Halloween Havoc 99 hogan lays down for Sting. Does anyone know the story to this? Was is another Russo shoot or was Hogan being a prima donna? If this was a russo idea at a ppv no less, it's no wonder WCW went out of buisness. I wish people would stop saying that. If the Turner networks would've kept wrestling on their stations, or if they would've found another channel, Russo's booking would've not changed WCW's success. I disagree. Russo's booking largely resulted in fans no longer tuning in. By the time WCW was removed (or read to be removed) from TV, they were losing money big time! Had they been showing a profit, I'm sure Turner would have kept them on. Why not all of WCW's income lose was Russo's fault, his booking really turned away paying fans. |
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Post by k5 on Nov 16, 2008 13:38:58 GMT -5
i remember being so mad when i paid money to see that.
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Nov 21, 2008 16:09:07 GMT -5
Russo wasn't the whole problem though. Bischoff's poor decisions and behavior are what started the ball rolling for WCW's downfall (pushing old guys, keeping down young workers with potential, etc.). That's why Turner dumped Bischoff for Russo in the first place.
Russo contributed to the collapse, but to say he caused it entirely is false. If WCW weren't having problems already, there would have never been a job opening for Russo there in the first place.
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Post by fdamage: Elite Trader on Nov 22, 2008 1:23:00 GMT -5
i remember being so mad when i paid money to see that. ditto. i actually begged my bro to get it too & it totally sucked.  also, granted the booking & stuff sucked as well but there were other issues involved. despite all that, wcw still was TNT's & TBS's top rated shows. |
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Nov 27, 2008 22:33:21 GMT -5
What kind of angle was he trying to play? LOL what an idiotic idea..
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Post by carly1988 on Nov 28, 2008 6:54:32 GMT -5
WCW's fall was simply done because of lack of a television deal. Bischoff and Fusient Media were going to purchase WCW until they found out AOL Time Warner no longer was going to put them on their TV stations. With no TV rights Bischoff said buying the company was useless because he didnt have enough time to shop WCW around to other networks (Fox was mentioned) and if they would have bought WCW and then wasnt able to get it on the air they would have gone into some serious debt. Also note though the booking, although horrible, was still drawing ratings. Sure Raw was doing 5-6 at the time (currently doing 2-3s). WCW at the time were doing 2-3s themselves. Its not like they were doing anything like .1 or anything. WCW in 2000 had better ratings then TNA and WWE both do right now.
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Post by Bubba Ray DJ on Nov 28, 2008 20:11:46 GMT -5
I think this was a worked shoot originally. Russo went overboard with his comments about Hogan. Hogan got pissed off and wanted to leave the company if memory serves me correctly. Is this the match that spawned the "big bald bastard" comment?
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 28, 2008 20:34:31 GMT -5
I think this was a worked shoot originally. Russo went overboard with his comments about Hogan. Hogan got pissed off and wanted to leave the company if memory serves me correctly. Is this the match that spawned the "big bald bastard" comment? you've got your hogan laying down matches mixed up. this one at halloween havoc was planned and went nowhere. the one you're refering to was at Bash at the Beach 2000, where it was a worked shoot with Hogan laying down and calling the company bullcrap. this was supposed to lead up to hogan returning months later claiming to still be champion, but yeah, russo went out and completely BURIED hogan in an unscripted promo and that was it for hogan in wcw. |
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Post by bigtaurus78 on Dec 3, 2008 12:04:32 GMT -5
you've got your hogan laying down matches mixed up. this one at halloween havoc was planned and went nowhere. the one you're refering to was at Bash at the Beach 2000, where it was a worked shoot with Hogan laying down and calling the company bull ****. this was supposed to lead up to hogan returning months later claiming to still be champion, but yeah, russo went out and completely BURIED hogan in an unscripted promo and that was it for hogan in wcw. You're way off. Hogan didn't lay down, it was Jeff Jarrett. Hogan was scheduled to face Jarrett for the WCW title, but was not booked to win the title. Hogan confronted Russo asking what were his plans for him following the match, Russo said he had no plans and Hogan pulled creative control which he had in his contract. Jarrett came out with Russo and Jarrett just laid there for Hogan to pin him. Hogan then cut a promo on Russo saying that it was because of guys like Russo that the company was $#!+. Russo came out later that night to fire Hogan, declare that the belt Hogan took was not the real WCW title, Jarrett was still WCW champion, and announce Jarret vs Booker T for the WCW title. It was confirmed in various shoot interviews with Russo and Booker that it had been planned all along for Booker T to win the title that night. Jarrett would get by Hogan by getting DQed, cost Booker T his match against Kanyon, as a result Jarrett would be forced to face Booker. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Dec 8, 2008 4:44:14 GMT -5
WCW's fall was simply done because of lack of a television deal. Bischoff and Fusient Media were going to purchase WCW until they found out AOL Time Warner no longer was going to put them on their TV stations. With no TV rights Bischoff said buying the company was useless because he didnt have enough time to shop WCW around to other networks (Fox was mentioned) and if they would have bought WCW and then wasnt able to get it on the air they would have gone into some serious debt. Also note though the booking, although horrible, was still drawing ratings. Sure Raw was doing 5-6 at the time (currently doing 2-3s). WCW at the time were doing 2-3s themselves. Its not like they were doing anything like .1 or anything. WCW in 2000 had better ratings then TNA and WWE both do right now. Nope. wCw's fall was stupid contracts. Bischoff started the ball rolling for bad ratings and Russo put it over the top. In the end the ratings they were getting (although not really bad) were not enough to pay the contracts of the wrestlers. Because commercial companies started going elsewhere to air commercials. And because of that AOL sold wCw. And many tv companies said they had no interest in buying wCw because of contracts owed. Because they would inquire those. wCw would have been a very very profitable company if they didn't pay every wrestler a million dollars. That's why alot of wCw originals sat out and did not sign with WWE. Because their contracts were guarenteed. And they would make no where near the same money as they were sitting at home. |
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