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Post by sean™ on Nov 17, 2008 14:59:22 GMT -5
In light of UFC 91, and the defeat of Couture, there's been something in the back of my mind that has probably been talked about since the fight.
Here we have Couture, who's wrapped up in legal battles with the UFC. Randy gets a hold of Dana. "I want to fight again"
Both sides agree the court battles need to stop, and Randy needs to be battling the the octogon instead. However, there's a twist. Dana's not a dumb guy. He knows where his business is going, and what the future holds. He knows who is top fighters are now, and he especially knows who's the one everyone's paying to see.
So he sets up a fight. Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture. The Next Big Thing vs The Natural.
Why Brock? Outside his obvious physical gifts, what has he really done to get a title shot? He filled sits and he delievered. He really is "The Next Big Thing" in MMA, and pretty much everyone has been jamming pack the bandwagons ever since.
"So here's the deal, Randy. We bring you back, and forget about everything in the last year. However, you have to drop the title to Brock."
Lets face it. Brock's popularity is huge. UFC is getting new, younger guys pretty much all the time. Why wouldn't Dana or UFC want to capitolize on this?
Randy gets a big comeback build up, gets paid big, and after one fight and a few months to let everyone forget his loss, he gets back in the cage to do what he does best.
I don't really think this is something that is probably, but it would make sense if it was true.
What does anyone else thign?
So here's what I'm suggesting. Do you think there was foul play involved in this fight?
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Post by Mr. Orange on Nov 17, 2008 15:57:46 GMT -5
Absolutely not, however I think that Dana got exactly what he wanted in this fight, and that's a Brock Lesnar title win.
Dana did capitalize on Lesnar's popularity by putting him in the title match, when we all know it should have been a Nogueira/Couture Title Unification fight. I think that Dana and Randy still have differences and that might be a reason why he put Randy in this fight first, along with the massive dollar signs. But as far as Dana suggesting to Randy to drop the title and the fight is insane. He would be jepardizing the ENTIRE sport by doing this and after all his hard work, it would be stupid to run the risk just to have a fighter he doesn't like lose.
Plus, I wouldn't want to take 30 Brock Lesnar hammer fists from hell in the process no matter how much I was getting paid to fix the fight or not.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 17, 2008 16:05:44 GMT -5
.... No.
There's no way they'd allow Couture to get hammer-fisted like 30 times in a row by a 280 pound (which is approximitely what he walked into the cage at) man if it was "fixed."
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Post by sean™ on Nov 17, 2008 16:09:54 GMT -5
I will agree that Dana got what he wanted. Like I said, its not something I personally believe, but it is an interesting thought when you look at how much there was to gain with a Lesnar win.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 17, 2008 16:15:55 GMT -5
I think it's just people wanting to believe that MMA is wrestling. It's not. This is a legitimate sport.
Couture fixing a fight just wouldn't be reasonable or profitable long-term for him. I mean, you're talking about a guy who gets paid millions to fight (I realize his payout only said $200,000 or something, but everyone knows he gets bonuses and PPV revenue). Not only that, but if Couture were caught fixing a fight, he'd instantly lose ALL credibility, all of his fighters would leave him, his sponsorships would be gone, and "Xtreme Couture" would be gone.
Randy Couture could make a long, wealthy living as a coach even if he were to retire today. There's absolutely no reason for him to fix a fight -- especially considering UFC draws huge with Couture as it is.
I think that Dana White is smart enough to know that even if Lesnar is his ideal champion, MMA is a sport where anyone can beat anyone. Lesnar could get KO'd at any point by almost anyone in the UFC. That's not a knock on Lesnar - it's true for everyone. There's no point in hand-picking a UFC champion because it's not a LONG TERM investment.
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 17, 2008 17:18:43 GMT -5
I think it's just people wanting to believe that MMA is wrestling. It's not. This is a legitimate sport. Couture fixing a fight just wouldn't be reasonable or profitable long-term for him. I mean, you're talking about a guy who gets paid millions to fight (I realize his payout only said $200,000 or something, but everyone knows he gets bonuses and PPV revenue). Not only that, but if Couture were caught fixing a fight, he'd instantly lose ALL credibility, all of his fighters would leave him, his sponsorships would be gone, and "Xtreme Couture" would be gone. Randy Couture could make a long, wealthy living as a coach even if he were to retire today. There's absolutely no reason for him to fix a fight -- especially considering UFC draws huge with Couture as it is. I think that Dana White is smart enough to know that even if Lesnar is his ideal champion, MMA is a sport where anyone can beat anyone. Lesnar could get KO'd at any point by almost anyone in the UFC. That's not a knock on Lesnar - it's true for everyone. There's no point in hand-picking a UFC champion because it's not a LONG TERM investment. While Johnny Lawrence is always the voice of reason when it comes to Brock, Kliq is definitely the voice of reason when it comes to peeps thinking MMA is fixed. It's not, guys. Absolutely not. 1,000% not.At least in the UFC. Dana, love him or hate him all you want, practically explodes if anyone instigates that his fights may be fixed. This is a guy that has bent over backward to bring the sport legitimacy. I honestly don't know where any of this stuff is coming from. The elitist in me wants to say it's coming from all this transitional pro wrestling fans that can't wrap their heads around the fact that MMA is a sport, not entertainment. But that path leads to a dangerous road of Sherdog-like super-elitism that tries to castrate virtually anyone that even speaks a single sentence about any pro wrestling/MMA similarities. To add to what Kliq says, here's what I think the reality of the situation is. Couture and Dana, in an office, with lawyers, going over their stances. All Dana has to say is "I respect your reasoning and admire your passion, but at the end of the day we've got a legally binding contract. We can wrap you up in legal battles and court appeals until you're pushing fifty, even sixty. Just come back and live out your final days in the organization that made you famous." Couture himself has said that the main reason he came back was because he was tired of all the legal battles and realized that he could be kept in the courts until fighting was no longer an option. Sorry to come down so hard on this, but I take a tough stance whenever someone insinuates that MMA is fixed. |
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Post by sean™ on Nov 17, 2008 17:44:58 GMT -5
I have no problem with people taking this idea seriously. In fact, I'd rather have someone completely tear apart my "idea" then have someone just post "Well...maybe. probably not though."
I'll be honest when I say I'm not a huge MMA fan. I've watched a few fights here and there since the late 90s. I've never thought of MMA being "that type of sport". I'm actually glad theres a sport out there that gives me hope that there can be a fair competition.
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 17, 2008 19:01:30 GMT -5
Welcome to the fold then, young Padawan. 'Tis a grand time to be a fan of MMA. Partaketh in this sticked topic above you made by one PdW2kX to find the holy grail of local TV listings so you can enjoy MMA from the comfort of your own television screen. (b*-')b |
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