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Post by Codesters on Nov 19, 2008 22:07:29 GMT -5
MMAMANIA
Jon Fitch, Christian Wellisch and possibly others cut by UFC By: MMAmania
Former number one UFC welterweight contender Jon Fitch was today handed his walking papers for refusing to sign an agreement that would give the promotion exclusive lifetime video game rights to his name and likeness, MMAmania.com can exclusively confirm.
Christian Wellisch ¡ª who also didn¡¯t ink the paperwork ¡ª was also released. Others who do not sign the agreement could also be let go in the future.
Fitch and members of his camp were not immediately available for comment on the startling development.
While the full details are a little murky at this time, Fitch was apparently approached about the issue when he turned in his signed bout agreement to fight Akihiro Gono at UFC 94: ¡°St. Pierre vs. Penn 2¡å on January 31. And when he and his representatives attempted to negotiate the video game deal it was all or nothing.
He didn¡¯t sign it and was terminated shortly therefafter.
Fitch ¡ª who is tied with Royce Gracie and Anderson Silva for the most consecutive wins in UFC history (eight) ¡ª recently lost a gutsy unanimous decision to welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre at UFC 87: ¡°Seek and Destroy¡± on August 9.
The former Purdue University wrestler just returned from a trip to Thailand to refine his Muay Thai and stand up skills. For the time being he may have to now put those skills to the test outside the Octagon for the first time since 2006.
He¡¯s among the top 170-pound fighters in the world and should land on his feet sooner rather than later. Talk about a big loss for the UFC ¡ and Jon Fitch.
More on this breaking exclusive news as soon as we receive it. Hopefully cooler heads soon prevail.
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Hole-lee shit.
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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 19, 2008 22:09:09 GMT -5
I thought Fitch was pretty good myself.
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Post by Codesters on Nov 19, 2008 22:17:01 GMT -5
I thought Fitch was pretty good myself. Anyone with the correct amount of chromosomes would say Fitch was 'pretty good'.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 19, 2008 22:32:09 GMT -5
Wow... The UFC is becoming more and more WWE-like with their demands.
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Post by DWright on Nov 19, 2008 23:08:37 GMT -5
That's horrible. They better come to their senses and bring Fitch back...like...now. They just lost a HUGE WW contender. Probably their best behind Georgey boy.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Nov 20, 2008 0:43:12 GMT -5
Jon Fitch, who went five rounds with UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre in August, received notice Wednesday that he had been released from the UFC. MMAMania.com was the first to report Fitch’s dismissal. A source close to the situation told Sherdog.com that Fitch had refused to sign an agreement that would have relinquished his likeness rights for video games. Christian Wellisch, an American Kickboxing Academy teammate of Fitch, was also released. The source suggested that other AKA fighters could be cut if they lose their next bouts. Fitch had won eight straight fights before dropping a gutsy decision to St. Pierre. His undefeated run tied Royce Gracie’s for the most consecutive wins in the UFC. Jeff Sherwood contributed to this report. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For those of you who don't want to decipher that bullshit,
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 20, 2008 1:30:56 GMT -5
For those wondering, Dana's already responded. Courtesy of MMA Mania...
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“We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny. Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them…. I’m not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We’re in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We’ve worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that.”
– UFC President Dana White fumes via Yahoo!Sports.com about the situation that went down earlier this evening surrounding the release of Jon Fitch for not signing a video game agreement that would give the promotion exclusive lifetime video game rights to his name and likeness. White appears to be most heated about the management team that represents most of the fighters out of American Kickboxing Academy (AKA), Zinkin Entertainment. In fact, he says that with the exception of Chuck Liddell, Mike Swick and more than likely Forrest Griffin (who are also represented by Zinkin Entertainment) that other top fighters such as Josh Koscheck and Cain Velasquez are also possibly on the outs. “Kos,” as of press time, is still scheduled to headline UFC Fight Night 16: “Fight for the Troops” on December 13. However, after reading these comments who knows what the future holds. This is madness.
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Madness, indeed. I really think this is a crazy situation... I really don't know who to agree with. I can kinda-sorta see the argument at both ends. It's just really too crazy right now for me to judge.
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Post by HHH316 on Nov 20, 2008 2:09:53 GMT -5
Even for me, I think Dana went to far here, & I let a lot of stuff slide.
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Post by Sandy on Nov 20, 2008 3:40:40 GMT -5
I actually agree with Dana. Why not sign off your rights for the video game deal. The UFC is the top dog in the sport..so why would you even want to press your luck with Dana after losing your last fight.
Even though I am not a fan of Fitch I really am shocked that the UFC cut him...
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Post by moogie101 on Nov 20, 2008 5:16:50 GMT -5
I see this in two ways, Zuffa are trying to maintain UFC's spot as the top dog & keen for exclusive deals. They are the big dogs paying good money & great opportunity for promoting your name & getting sponsered The other side however it's only a freaking game, I just want to see fights.
The UFC losing Fitch, Kos & Valesquez is huge. Although as Fitch got dominated by GSP he's for now left in limbo in a gatekeeper kind of position, similar for Kos who is now someone to beat towards getting a title shot. Velasquez however is an impressive heavyweight & I was looking forward to seeing his progress.
I can understand why Dana is doing this, it's known he likes to be a hardass in business deals . Kinda sucks though for AKA, when the choice is sign away all rights to your likeness or have to fight elsewhere.
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Post by James Hetfield on Nov 20, 2008 5:40:25 GMT -5
Dana's a ing hardass for no reason.
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Post by moogie101 on Nov 20, 2008 5:47:16 GMT -5
The below is from the front page of MMAweekly.com, interesting read & also explains why this esculated so quickly. EA Sports are putting out an MMA game, Dana had promised exclusive rights to all UFC fighters to Akklaim & so with anyone not signing it could have affected that business deal. At the end of the day how many video games does Fitch expect to be in exactly? I'd have just signed it & moved on.
-Shockwaves were sent through the world of mixed martial arts on Wednesday night with the news that top welterweight fighter Jon Fitch had been dropped from the Ultimate Fighting Championship following a contract dispute.
Just hours after learning of his release, Jon Fitch spoke exclusively to MMAWeekly.com about the situation that led to the events that have now made him a free agent.
"This is like over the course of two days, three days," Fitch explained about the release. "It had to do with Dana (White) calling my managers and immediately saying, 'we need to get him to sign this contract' and 'it's a big favor to me.' Then we asked him, 'Why do you need this contract signed?'
"Then we finally asked, after reading through the contract, why can't we negotiate for different terms? Because it asked me for a lifetime contract for the video games, so they would have exclusive rights to use our likeness for these video games and we couldn't go and do any other video games ever again in our lifetime."
Before anything was decided, Fitch says his managers tried to re-negotiate a different deal from the lifetime contract, but an ultimatum was soon made.
"So basically we said we weren't cool with that deal and why can't we do it for five or 10 years? Why does it have to be a lifetime deal? Their next response was, 'either you guys are in or you're out' and 'sign this or you're going to get dropped from the UFC,'" said Fitch. "So we hear that and we didn't even think they were serious. Why would you want to release fighters at our level over something like that? Doesn't make any sense.
"Within two phone calls, it got to 'sign this or you guys are out.'"
The American Kickboxing Academy welterweight standout explained that the situation for the urgency of the contract from the UFC might have stemmed from another company, EA Sports, putting out an MMA video game of its own. Apparently the UFC had promised all of its fighters exclusively to THQ, the makers of the upcoming UFC Undisputed 2009 game scheduled for release in spring of 2009.
"We were already promised to THQ by the UFC, even though none of us were under contract (for that), in order to save face, they had to force us to sign this thing," he explained.
He also states that the new video game contract was partially due to the fact that competitors in the UFC were originally given a "merchandising" contract that was shot down after many fighters did not want to sign that either.
"It started with the merchandising agreement," Fitch stated. "The original merchandising agreement they sent out, it encompassed all avenues of all this stuff and everything that falls under merchandise, and they wanted to force us to sign that a while ago. (They wanted) all the guys in the UFC to sign these contracts blindly that gave them all of our rights, image, everything that they could find anyway to market or sell us."
The Indiana born fighter went on to talk about his confusion following a tenure with the UFC that included nine fights, eight of which were wins, and a hard fought five-round decision loss to Georges St. Pierre that has garnered talk for "Fight of the Year."
"This is seriously how they're trying to treat fighters? Especially me? " Fitch questioned. "I've never complained about them. I've always done my best for the UFC in a positive way. I've fought my ass off. I'm arguably the second best welterweight in the world. Yet they are still willing to release me, especially after my last fight?
"Just because I lost, it sure as hell wasn't because of lack of effort or poor performance."
The day started with Fitch confirming his next fight in January against Akihiro Gono, but just as quickly, he received a rescinded contract from the UFC for the bout agreement, and shortly thereafter, a voided promotional contract effectively releasing him from his fight contract.
"We got the bout agreement returned today and then later tonight they released me from my promotional contract. So at the moment, I'm no longer with the UFC. I'm unattached right now," Fitch commented.
While the deal to sign a lifetime contract didn't necessarily appeal to Fitch, he says it was the manner of which the deal was brought to the table that ultimately angered him the most.
"Honestly the contract wasn't even that big of a deal," he said. "We're not getting paid for it anyways, and it's not a deal where I'm actually going to get another deal with a video game agency. I don't have that kind of pull, most guys don't. It has nothing to do with that. It's that they brought this contract to us and basically kicked in our front door, came in guns blazing, and said 'sign this contract or you're dead.'"
Regardless of the contract situation, Fitch feels the mistreatment is simply unacceptable and he is willing to move on if that's what has to happen.
"I am the UFC's bastard son," Fitch said adamantly. "I mean, from the get go. I don't even know how better to explain it. They didn't have any regard or care for me whatsoever. There's nothing more I want than to be the UFC champ, but something like this and they're going to throw me away?
"I also have confidence in the fact that I'm one of the best fighters in the world. I'm going to find a home, and I'm going to find a way to make money no matter what the deal is. I will not be treated and talked to like a dog."
A fighter with the talent of Jon Fitch will likely be snatched up by another promotion very soon, but still he is just shocked at the way everything happened.
"It's not like I've been bad mouthing them or doing anything negative toward the UFC at all. All I've done is go out there and fight my ass off. I'm at a loss. I don't even know what to think right now. I'm still kind of in shock."
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Post by axemurderer on Nov 20, 2008 7:57:39 GMT -5
well Fitch is right, why let people walk all over you. most people say "sign the contract and call it a day" but none of you know the terms of that. A lifetime deal? what if he fights for a different promotion in 5 years ? then he cant be in a video game because his rights to his own god damn name are owned by someone else ? you gotta see it from both sides? Dana dropped the ball here, how can you let a fighter like Jon Fitch go ? you will see him back real soon, or real soon fighting for Affliction or WEC. This guy wont be a free agent for long.
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Post by Boquest on Nov 20, 2008 10:18:37 GMT -5
I guess if I look really deep I could possibly see slighty Dana's side of the agrument.
With the being said, who ever is on Dana's side is an idiot. If you were in charge (I understand he's not the complete owner of the UFC) and one of your top fighters does not want to be part of your video game, what would you do?Not even that, he wants to be part of it, but only for 5-10 years. What use is Fitch to the UFC after those 10 years?Probably absolutely nothing. Fire him? He is tied for having the longest win streak in your company history, has done nothing for you but tried his best, put his body into your organization and worked extrememly hard. He had a standing ovation his last fight, took one of the P4P best to a decision, and took part in one of the fights of the year.
It all boils down to you firing one of your best fighters over a video game.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 20, 2008 12:26:31 GMT -5
The problem with the contract is a "lifetime" deal.
NO ONE should sign that at Fitch's age.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Nov 20, 2008 13:10:00 GMT -5
I hope Koscheck is cut - then I won't have to see him again..
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 20, 2008 13:46:59 GMT -5
I hope Koscheck is cut - then I won't have to see him again.. Aside from him physically looking like a poodle, what is so bad about Kos?
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Post by Codesters on Nov 20, 2008 14:51:00 GMT -5
Wait, doesnt bateman train with AKA? Wont this effect his UFC contract he was offered?
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Post by DWright on Nov 20, 2008 15:03:32 GMT -5
Wait, doesnt bateman train with AKA? Wont this effect his UFC contract he was offered? I don't know if I missed something, but I don't think one guy from AKA will hurt his chances. I mean, Nick Diaz is a total idiot, but his brother fights for the UFC and Nick is in his corner. When Randy and the UFC were at odds, he still cornered Xtreme Couture, etc.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 20, 2008 15:10:43 GMT -5
Wait, doesnt bateman train with AKA? Wont this effect his UFC contract he was offered? I think Dana was being his usual, whiney, emotional, self.
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