redypiper
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Post by redypiper on Nov 27, 2008 15:56:30 GMT -5
finally someone admits they are overrated. I mean they had a great gimmick. But hell they no sold moves. Always went over. Were nothing spiecal on the mic. How anyone can rate them as the greatest is laughable. Sure they hold all the major belts but so do the Dudleys. Belts are hardly the excuse to warrent someone as the greatest. Rockers never held the belt. Yet they were innovative and broke out as singles. Also none could hold their own as singles. My picks as they greatest: Hart Foundation, British Bulldogs, Hardy's, Edge and Christian and the Rockers. All were innovative, some even could sell out as tag teams. Bulldogs were second only to Hogan as far as popularity goes for the early 80's. yes but see in the time when wrestling was not sports entertainment, it was more of a mans sport. the fans werent young kids. so if you were in that mind set you wanted to see big tough beer drinking wrestlers. when i was young i liked the rockers but the older generation around me thought they were gay. and knew in real life that the rockers were not tough. where as guys like Harley Race or the Road warriors could legit kick the **** out of you. wrestling wasn't talked about like it is today (didn't put over this one) (didn't sell that one). so when hawk or animal talked about coming from the streets or whatever you believed it. some of your points are valid but the rockers are not in the same breath as the nwa era warriors as far as legit toughness. the last thing an old school fan could relate to was an acrobat/ballerina style. |
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Post by madness1 on Nov 27, 2008 20:43:00 GMT -5
finally someone admits they are overrated. I mean they had a great gimmick. But hell they no sold moves. Always went over. Were nothing spiecal on the mic. How anyone can rate them as the greatest is laughable. Sure they hold all the major belts but so do the Dudleys. Belts are hardly the excuse to warrent someone as the greatest. Rockers never held the belt. Yet they were innovative and broke out as singles. Also none could hold their own as singles. My picks as they greatest: Hart Foundation, British Bulldogs, Hardy's, Edge and Christian and the Rockers. All were innovative, some even could sell out as tag teams. Bulldogs were second only to Hogan as far as popularity goes for the early 80's. yes but see in the time when wrestling was not sports entertainment, it was more of a mans sport. the fans werent young kids. so if you were in that mind set you wanted to see big tough beer drinking wrestlers. when i was young i liked the rockers but the older generation around me thought they were gay. and knew in real life that the rockers were not tough. where as guys like Harley Race or the Road warriors could legit kick the **** out of you. wrestling wasn't talked about like it is today (didn't put over this one) (didn't sell that one). so when hawk or animal talked about coming from the streets or whatever you believed it. some of your points are valid but the rockers are not in the same breath as the nwa era warriors as far as legit toughness. the last thing an old school fan could relate to was an acrobat/ballerina style. Yeah I agree with you. But to say they are the greatest or even in the top three I think is wrong. Being a bad ass means nothing to me in a fake sport. To be even considered you should be a team that was innovative, good on the mic, and sell tickets. Now the Road Warriors have had many copy cats but really Demolition and Powers of Pain were in the same breath as The Ultimate Warrior. Maybe people would disagree with me but I'd much rather watch Hart Foundaition, Bulldogs and the Rockers. |
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Post by carly1988 on Nov 27, 2008 20:43:32 GMT -5
See its reasons like "Road Warriors/Ric Flair is overrated" why I dont like younger wrestling fans. I understand its not your fault that you're young and you dont understand but be serious. Flair or the Road Warriors could go to Greensboro Coliseum sell (legit) the arena out and keep everyone sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for more. Can Flair do a suicide plancha? Nope because he is a wrestler not an "entertainer". Flair vs Rhodes in a 45min match would keep people glued to their seats. As much I love guys like Edge, Christian, Randy Orton or CM Punk, neither of those guys can keep a crowd hooked like the older guys could. Maybe its not the wrestlers fault, maybe its the fans but simply the boys in the 80s put on a show where the guys now put on soap operas. Times change and evolution of wrestling changes, just like the real world. We all have to accept and understand that but anyone that says Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, or the Road Warriors were overrated have absolutely not business being wrestling fans and need to sit at home and watch Young and the Restless instead of wrestling
And just a lil edit as ive seen someone mention they arent in the top 3 of tag teams. The Road Warriors easily take the top spot with Steiner Brothers #2 and British Bulldogs #3.
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Post by madness1 on Nov 27, 2008 20:48:10 GMT -5
See its reasons like "Road Warriors/Ric Flair is overrated" why I dont like younger wrestling fans. I understand its not your fault that you're young and you dont understand but be serious. Flair or the Road Warriors could go to Greensboro Coliseum sell (legit) the arena out and keep everyone sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for more. Can Flair do a suicide plancha? Nope because he is a wrestler not an "entertainer". Flair vs Rhodes in a 45min match would keep people glued to their seats. As much I love guys like Edge, Christian, Randy Orton or CM Punk, neither of those guys can keep a crowd hooked like the older guys could. Maybe its not the wrestlers fault, maybe its the fans but simply the boys in the 80s put on a show where the guys now put on soap operas. Times change and evolution of wrestling changes, just like the real world. We all have to accept and understand that but anyone that says Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, or the Road Warriors were overrated have absolutely not business being wrestling fans and need to sit at home and watch Young and the Restless instead of wrestling this argument will go on forever. It's all matter of opinon to a certain extent. I disagree with you about the Road Warriors but yes anyone who says Ric Flair and Hogan suck are innept fans. However I did laugh when you said Flair was a wrestler not an entertainer as I have always thought the oppisote of Flair. Don't get me wrong I thought when he retired he was still more entertaing than 75% of the current roster |
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Post by carly1988 on Nov 27, 2008 20:56:21 GMT -5
See its reasons like "Road Warriors/Ric Flair is overrated" why I dont like younger wrestling fans. I understand its not your fault that you're young and you dont understand but be serious. Flair or the Road Warriors could go to Greensboro Coliseum sell (legit) the arena out and keep everyone sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for more. Can Flair do a suicide plancha? Nope because he is a wrestler not an "entertainer". Flair vs Rhodes in a 45min match would keep people glued to their seats. As much I love guys like Edge, Christian, Randy Orton or CM Punk, neither of those guys can keep a crowd hooked like the older guys could. Maybe its not the wrestlers fault, maybe its the fans but simply the boys in the 80s put on a show where the guys now put on soap operas. Times change and evolution of wrestling changes, just like the real world. We all have to accept and understand that but anyone that says Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, or the Road Warriors were overrated have absolutely not business being wrestling fans and need to sit at home and watch Young and the Restless instead of wrestling this argument will go on forever. It's all matter of opinon to a certain extent. I disagree with you about the Road Warriors but yes anyone who says Ric Flair and Hogan suck are innept fans. However I did laugh when you said Flair was a wrestler not an entertainer as I have always thought the oppisote of Flair. Don't get me wrong I thought when he retired he was still more entertaing than 75% of the current roster 2000-2008 Flair, was all entertainer. Thats not what Im talking about though. Nobody can or will ever convince me that ANY 2 WWE superstars can get in the ring today and carry on a match like Flair-Steamboat or Flair-Sting did in the mid late 90s. |
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Post by Kenny Powers on Nov 27, 2008 21:52:05 GMT -5
I have to disagree, I loved the Road Warriors. They just kicked all kinds of ass. I was so excited when they came to the WWF at the time so I could see more of them.
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Nov 27, 2008 23:26:33 GMT -5
I love old school wrestling. Flair is easily the best in the history of the business.
Flair could <b>wrestle.</b>
Road Warriors couldn't.
Period.
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redypiper
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Post by redypiper on Nov 28, 2008 0:18:22 GMT -5
yes but see in the time when wrestling was not sports entertainment, it was more of a mans sport. the fans werent young kids. so if you were in that mind set you wanted to see big tough beer drinking wrestlers. when i was young i liked the rockers but the older generation around me thought they were gay. and knew in real life that the rockers were not tough. where as guys like Harley Race or the Road warriors could legit kick the **** out of you. wrestling wasn't talked about like it is today (didn't put over this one) (didn't sell that one). so when hawk or animal talked about coming from the streets or whatever you believed it. some of your points are valid but the rockers are not in the same breath as the nwa era warriors as far as legit toughness. the last thing an old school fan could relate to was an acrobat/ballerina style. Yeah I agree with you. But to say they are the greatest or even in the top three I think is wrong. Being a bad ass means nothing to me in a fake sport. To be even considered you should be a team that was innovative, good on the mic, and sell tickets. Now the Road Warriors have had many copy cats but really Demolition and Powers of Pain were in the same breath as The Ultimate Warrior. Maybe people would disagree with me but I'd much rather watch Hart Foundaition, Bulldogs and the Rockers. if being badass in a "fake" sport means nothing, then why would being "the greatest" in that sport mean anything? guys like the road warriors made it feel legit to the fans that were grown men. their lack of safety put fear into their opponents, and the spectators. pro wrestling was a southern based sport from the beginning. it continued throughout the nwa. you had Flair, the rich well dressed champion coming out and antagonizing the hard working fan. what was Dusty?" the common man" "the plummers son". it worked like a charm. the road warriors, fit in, in their way, working from nothing to the top. the fans of the era wanted to see Flair get his ass kicked by those guys. the old school fans would see the road warriors with the size and strength and believe that Flair was in trouble. no other team ever could have had such an effect. "entertainment" didn't exist. you wanted to see those rich bastards (horsemen) get hurt. EDIT: and if you would rather watch the foundation, bulldogs and rockers, lets face it, you were strictly a wwf guy |
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Post by Sims on Nov 28, 2008 0:18:43 GMT -5
Emilio Estevez > Morishima Yeah, I said it I second this Can you third something? I third it. quack LOD was okay. No doubt great for there time. But you started watching wrestling in the 90s,like someone said well after there peek. Like playing Pong on a 360 when I'm used to Gears. |
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Post by customnova on Nov 28, 2008 10:51:00 GMT -5
I would like to know if the original poster likes the Undertaker.
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Nov 28, 2008 11:40:19 GMT -5
I would like to know if the original poster likes the Undertaker. Yes...Yes I do. |
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Post by The Boglin on Nov 28, 2008 15:45:47 GMT -5
Yeah I agree with you. But to say they are the greatest or even in the top three I think is wrong. Being a bad ass means nothing to me in a fake sport. To be even considered you should be a team that was innovative, good on the mic, and sell tickets. Now the Road Warriors have had many copy cats but really Demolition and Powers of Pain were in the same breath as The Ultimate Warrior. Maybe people would disagree with me but I'd much rather watch Hart Foundaition, Bulldogs and the Rockers. if being badass in a "fake" sport means nothing, then why would being "the greatest" in that sport mean anything? guys like the road warriors made it feel legit to the fans that were grown men. their lack of safety put fear into their opponents, and the spectators. pro wrestling was a southern based sport from the beginning. it continued throughout the nwa. you had Flair, the rich well dressed champion coming out and antagonizing the hard working fan. what was Dusty?" the common man" "the plummers son". it worked like a charm. the road warriors, fit in, in their way, working from nothing to the top. the fans of the era wanted to see Flair get his ass kicked by those guys. the old school fans would see the road warriors with the size and strength and believe that Flair was in trouble. no other team ever could have had such an effect. "entertainment" didn't exist. you wanted to see those rich bastards (horsemen) get hurt. EDIT: and if you would rather watch the foundation, bulldogs and rockers, lets face it, you were strictly a wwf guy How could you knock teams like the bulldogs, harts and the rockers? All those teams can go. And you want tough guys? Ever heard of Dynamite kid? |
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Post by Dwight on Nov 28, 2008 17:01:13 GMT -5
I loved them because they were bad ass. You don't have to be the best on the mic to be great and many have proven that. Besides, they did what they should have done and that's yell and just say they're going to beat the hell out of their opponents.
My favorite tag team of all time. I miss them and the energy and excitement they brought. Just by the first note of their theme brought an audience into a roar.
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Post by moogie101 on Nov 29, 2008 4:16:51 GMT -5
Were they technically great? No of course not when we've had huys like Bulldogs, Harts, Brainbusters, Rockers, Rock & Roll Express, Midnight Express.
However they were entertaining & although sloppy sometimes put on exciting matches.
However I grew up as a kid watching their prime so might be bias but to me they were great.
Their last few high profile runs weren't so great which is fair enough but they were exciting brawlers who regularly drew largest pops of the night
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 9:33:34 GMT -5
yeah its a matter of opinion-Ill never **** on someones elses opinion no matter how much I disagree.but of course the are in the top 3 of tag teams-their record speaks for itself.
Road Warriors are my favorite Tag Team.without a doubt.they were truly unique and the fact that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery shows this.....without them there would be no Sting,Ultimate Warrior,Demolition or Powers Of pain.and there wouldnt-period.
and they werent meant to be technically sound or even wrestlers-that was their gimmick-no selling brawlers and FEW could brawl like they could.they excelled in having hard hitting brawls with The Russians,Freebirds,Skyscrapers,4 Horsemen and many more.
comparing them to he Rockers,Harts,Bulldogs etc is pointless-different target audience-its like comparing Goodfellas and Dick Tracy as Gangster movies
its widely acknowledged that they kept tag wrestling popular and at the front of pro wrestling too
to go to the big 3 between 84 and 91 and win the 3 tag titles was something of an achievement yknow?the fact that they are the only team to do this speaks volumes in terms of their popularity
the NWA couldnt get fans to boo them no matter what they did......
yeah they had their problems outside the ring just like the Bulldogs,Harts,Rockers etc etc but who from the boom of wrestling didnt?
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redypiper
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Post by redypiper on Nov 29, 2008 12:08:10 GMT -5
if being badass in a "fake" sport means nothing, then why would being "the greatest" in that sport mean anything? guys like the road warriors made it feel legit to the fans that were grown men. their lack of safety put fear into their opponents, and the spectators. pro wrestling was a southern based sport from the beginning. it continued throughout the nwa. you had Flair, the rich well dressed champion coming out and antagonizing the hard working fan. what was Dusty?" the common man" "the plummers son". it worked like a charm. the road warriors, fit in, in their way, working from nothing to the top. the fans of the era wanted to see Flair get his ass kicked by those guys. the old school fans would see the road warriors with the size and strength and believe that Flair was in trouble. no other team ever could have had such an effect. "entertainment" didn't exist. you wanted to see those rich bastards (horsemen) get hurt. EDIT: and if you would rather watch the foundation, bulldogs and rockers, lets face it, you were strictly a wwf guy How could you knock teams like the bulldogs, harts and the rockers? All those teams can go. And you want tough guys? Ever heard of Dynamite kid? i believe on page one if you bothered to read it, i refered to the bulldogs as my all time favorite team. how was i putting any of those teams down? maybe you should re read my post. if putting down the bulldogs, foundation and rockers was what you got out of it you misunderstood every word i said. good job! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2008 16:45:24 GMT -5
didnt Dynamite Kid get his head kicked in by Ray Rougeau?yup he did.check out the Hart Foundation shoot for more details
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Post by WalterF on Dec 1, 2008 12:14:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I always loved them because of their gimmick and look. It was purely cosmetic appeal for me because I think the gimmick was great, but it doesnt take a genius to figure out they were nothing near spectacular in the ring. The only truly classic matches they had were with opponents who were extremely talented like the Horsemen.
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Post by WalterF on Dec 1, 2008 12:16:36 GMT -5
didnt Dynamite Kid get his head kicked in by Ray Rougeau?yup he did.check out the Hart Foundation shoot for more details To be more accurate, Ray actually had a roll of dimes in his fist and punched Dynamite square in the jaw, knocking out a crapload of his teeth. I love Dynamites wrestling, but from everything heard, he sounds like he was a miserable prick who was unhappy so tried to f*ck with as many people as he did so it's kinda cool he got smashed in the face and then Vince told him he wasnt allowed to retaliate. |
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Post by markallenkellner on Dec 1, 2008 15:08:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they were horrible, but they weren't great either, they didn't have to be. Their job was to run in and destroy their competition. Their gimmick would be a trend setter for the next 20 years. But am I the only one that hates the Road Warriors? I started watching wrestling in probably...1994...around that time. I hated them then, I hate them now. I remember back in 03 right before Hawk died, they workd Kane and RVD, and no-sold the hell out of them! I hoped they wouldn't be back permantently, luckily I was right. We were all chillin the other night, and decided to watch the Road Warriors DVD. They were horrible! They had a horrible gimmick, and couldn't wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag with three sides missing. All they did was brawl, and even that sucked. They were way to sloppy and locked hella dangerous. Watching the Essential Starrcade, and seeing how they were every other match, made me hate them more. Can anyone tell me what's so great about them? It seems they were just the 80s version of Batista, only there were two of them. Yeesh. |
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