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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Dec 4, 2008 19:46:37 GMT -5
Great news, and Chuck looks great as well. Seems like very down to earth guy.
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Post by Codesters on Dec 4, 2008 19:48:36 GMT -5
MARCH?!? UFC IS COMING TO COLUMBUS IN MARCH!
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 4, 2008 20:33:29 GMT -5
I hope Liddell gives us a few more great fights in his next few years. Maybe a climb back to the top but I doubt it with the stacked LHW division. Id love to see it happen though..
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Post by DWright on Dec 4, 2008 20:39:14 GMT -5
Well...
At least he didn't ask to fight Tommy Morrison this time...
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Dec 4, 2008 20:52:58 GMT -5
Thank GOD. I did not want to see Chuck/Randy IV at all. Wonder who it'll be though?
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Post by Sandy on Dec 4, 2008 21:22:16 GMT -5
Chuck: I am fighting sometime in early 2009. There has been some opponents that have been talked about, but nothing is official. There was Jardine thrown in, Rua thrown in, Bonnar, so far, none of them are interested, but I'll be fighting sometime in March, April, so whoever is ready, ill fight, I'll fight anyone, you know that, so whatever fight they give me, I'll take.
out of the fights that I suppose are being thrown around right now Bonnar is one I would prefer for Liddell. I am a fan of Bonnar and a fight with Liddell will help him get higher in the rankings of the LHW division...win or lose.
But one fight that isn't being mentioned and that makes the most god damn sense to me is a fight with Brandon Vera. Brandon Vera called out Chuck after his first win in the UFC against Fabiano Scherner..and now that Brandon has only won 1 out of his last 4 fights, and the fight that he did win in those 4 fights wasn't a very impressive win, it makes sense to fight an aging Chuck. Anyone agree?
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Post by PdW2kX on Dec 4, 2008 21:24:23 GMT -5
He's definitely going to have time enough to train hard, focus on expanding his gameplan, and work at closing up the gaps in his defense.
I hope he does so.
My one major knock on the Iceman isn't that he's a douche or past his prime or an arrogant prick or anything.
My one major complaint about Chuck is that he insists on being a largely one-note power puncher in the age of the MMA all-rounder super-extraordinaire.
While I don't see him busting out any gogoplata's or flying heel hooks anytime soon, I'd love to see a well-balanced Chuck that can end his remaining years with dignity and some good wins.
There's hope yet for Chuck; I just hope he's willing to acknowledge his weaknesses and start to branch out in his gameplan.
That said, just because Lidell says he hasn't been approached about Randy or Anderson doesn't mean they won't approach him. Both are still a possibility, though I've voiced in separate topics that I really wouldn't enjoy seeing either fight.
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 4, 2008 21:37:56 GMT -5
Chuck: I am fighting sometime in early 2009. There has been some opponents that have been talked about, but nothing is official. There was Jardine thrown in, Rua thrown in, Bonnar, so far, none of them are interested, but I'll be fighting sometime in March, April, so whoever is ready, ill fight, I'll fight anyone, you know that, so whatever fight they give me, I'll take. out of the fights that I suppose are being thrown around right now Bonnar is one I would prefer for Liddell. I am a fan of Bonnar and a fight with Liddell will help him get higher in the rankings of the LHW division...win or lose. But one fight that isn't being mentioned and that makes the most god damn sense to me is a fight with Brandon Vera. Brandon Vera called out Chuck after his first win in the UFC against Fabiano Scherner..and now that Brandon has only won 1 out of his last 4 fights, and the fight that he did win in those 4 fights wasn't a very impressive win, it makes sense to fight an aging Chuck. Anyone agree? Liddell vs. Vera makes all the sense in the world to me. Plus it would be epic. I am going to have to predict Vera in that one though. Chuck does not seem like he can defend aginst people with kicks and Vera can sure kick. Plus vera has a great ground game...
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Dec 4, 2008 21:45:09 GMT -5
He's definitely going to have time enough to train hard, focus on expanding his gameplan, and work at closing up the gaps in his defense. I hope he does so. My one major knock on the Iceman isn't that he's a douche or past his prime or an arrogant prick or anything. My one major complaint about Chuck is that he insists on being a largely one-note power puncher in the age of the MMA all-rounder super-extraordinaire. While I don't see him busting out any gogoplata's or flying heel hooks anytime soon, I'd love to see a well-balanced Chuck that can end his remaining years with dignity and some good wins. There's hope yet for Chuck; I just hope he's willing to acknowledge his weaknesses and start to branch out in his gameplan. That said, just because Lidell says he hasn't been approached about Randy or Anderson doesn't mean they won't approach him. Both are still a possibility, though I've voiced in separate topics that I really wouldn't enjoy seeing either fight. I was sceptical of the reports in the first place, but I don't think Dana would even think of making any fourth fight, between anybody. He has stated several times that its 3 and out, that determines the man. I would really prefer to see Chuck move up to heavyweight, only after he fights Shogun Rua, however. I think Chuck is the guy that can hit Rua's off switch and put him down. After that, I'd like to see Chuck move to heavyweight and fight the guys up there. It might just be me, but I think Chuck could handle Mir and knock him out in the first round. Based on his recent performaces, I think he could knock Big Nog out, too. I know it sounds outlandish, but if you're a true fan, you know that this guy we've seen isn't the Nogueira we saw in PRIDE, taking fool's arms home as trophies. He was dropped by Heath Herring and Tim Sylvia, and I believe Chuck packs more of a punch than both of them. I'd love to see Liddell/Gonzaga, and I'm confident Chuck could win that, too. And if my ideas panned out, those three wins alone would easily earn Chuck a shot at Lesnar for the title, in a super fight I'd die to see.
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Post by Sandy on Dec 4, 2008 21:45:43 GMT -5
My one major complaint about Chuck is that he insists on being a largely one-note power puncher in the age of the MMA all-rounder super-extraordinaire. Kind of like Matt Hughes. While he may not have the one punch KO power he relies on his wrestling too much to get him through fights with guys who are so well-rounded nowadays.. It killed me to see Matt Hughes, who used to be one of my favorite fighters, sitting around shooting his rifle while GSP was busting his ass traveling to diffferent gyms just to enhance his game on the UFC's one hour special for their third fight.
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Post by PdW2kX on Dec 4, 2008 22:49:16 GMT -5
My one major complaint about Chuck is that he insists on being a largely one-note power puncher in the age of the MMA all-rounder super-extraordinaire. Kind of like Matt Hughes. While he may not have the one punch KO power he relies on his wrestling too much to get him through fights with guys who are so well-rounded nowadays.. It killed me to see Matt Hughes, who used to be one of my favorite fighters, sitting around shooting his rifle while GSP was busting his ass traveling to diffferent gyms just to enhance his game on the UFC's one hour special for their third fight. No doubt, my friend. It's definitely hurt my fanboy-o-meter to see some of the UFC's most famous faces from "The Old Guard" struggle to step it up in today's era of fighting styles so hybrid you can't even really define them along strict combat lines anymore. If Iceman or Matt have proved anything, it's that no matter how awesome you excel at one aspect of the fight game, someone that's good at a whole bunch of aspects can get the drop on you. 'Twas a time where all Lidell needed to be the most dominant guy in the UFC was good takedown defense and solid hands. Now he's 1-3 in his last four. Hughes could outwrestle people half-asleep with one arm tied behind his back and another clutching a Bible that he was in the process of yelling scripture from, and now he's 1-3 in his last four as well. Times certainly are a'changin' if one of the heaviest hitters in UFC history can get knocked out so horrendously that people were seriously questioning whether he crapped himself, while the only "dream match" with any relevance left for one of the best wrestlers in UFC history is against Matt F'ing Serra.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Dec 4, 2008 22:57:32 GMT -5
He's definitely going to have time enough to train hard, focus on expanding his gameplan, and work at closing up the gaps in his defense. I hope he does so. My one major knock on the Iceman isn't that he's a douche or past his prime or an arrogant prick or anything. My one major complaint about Chuck is that he insists on being a largely one-note power puncher in the age of the MMA all-rounder super-extraordinaire. While I don't see him busting out any gogoplata's or flying heel hooks anytime soon, I'd love to see a well-balanced Chuck that can end his remaining years with dignity and some good wins. There's hope yet for Chuck; I just hope he's willing to acknowledge his weaknesses and start to branch out in his gameplan. That said, just because Lidell says he hasn't been approached about Randy or Anderson doesn't mean they won't approach him. Both are still a possibility, though I've voiced in separate topics that I really wouldn't enjoy seeing either fight. I was sceptical of the reports in the first place, but I don't think Dana would even think of making any fourth fight, between anybody. He has stated several times that its 3 and out, that determines the man. I would really prefer to see Chuck move up to heavyweight, only after he fights Shogun Rua, however. I think Chuck is the guy that can hit Rua's off switch and put him down. After that, I'd like to see Chuck move to heavyweight and fight the guys up there. It might just be me, but I think Chuck could handle Mir and knock him out in the first round. Based on his recent performaces, I think he could knock Big Nog out, too. I know it sounds outlandish, but if you're a true fan, you know that this guy we've seen isn't the Nogueira we saw in PRIDE, taking fool's arms home as trophies. He was dropped by Heath Herring and Tim Sylvia, and I believe Chuck packs more of a punch than both of them. I'd love to see Liddell/Gonzaga, and I'm confident Chuck could win that, too. And if my ideas panned out, those three wins alone would easily earn Chuck a shot at Lesnar for the title, in a super fight I'd die to see. Chuck KO'ing Nog? Nog might be losing a step or two but to insinuate that somehow when he was in Pride he was unhittable is a stretch. Sapp manhandled him and nearly piledrived him through the mat. Fedor blasted Nog over and over and over in their first fight...that one punch he landed in the corner had to be one of the hardest GnP punches I've ever seen and it just ricocheted off of Nog's chin. Cro Cop dropped Nog. Barnett dropped Nog. Nog has always taken a fair amount of abuse in his fights, especially from competent strikers, and I can guarantee that a prime Cro Cop hits harder than tail-end-of-his-career Liddell. Not to mention, if we're going to throw in 'recent' Nog performances, he got dropped by Tim Sylvia, a 265 pound heavyweight striker, by a flush punch on the chin thrown full force...and he went on to win the fight by sub. And now CHUCK's going to be the one to turn out Nog's lights? I don't think so. Some guys are just genetically well-suited to taking a hard shot and getting through it. Nog is one of those guys.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2008 23:29:37 GMT -5
Well... At least he didn't ask to fight Tommy Morrison this time... LMFAO.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Dec 5, 2008 0:52:47 GMT -5
I was sceptical of the reports in the first place, but I don't think Dana would even think of making any fourth fight, between anybody. He has stated several times that its 3 and out, that determines the man. I would really prefer to see Chuck move up to heavyweight, only after he fights Shogun Rua, however. I think Chuck is the guy that can hit Rua's off switch and put him down. After that, I'd like to see Chuck move to heavyweight and fight the guys up there. It might just be me, but I think Chuck could handle Mir and knock him out in the first round. Based on his recent performaces, I think he could knock Big Nog out, too. I know it sounds outlandish, but if you're a true fan, you know that this guy we've seen isn't the Nogueira we saw in PRIDE, taking fool's arms home as trophies. He was dropped by Heath Herring and Tim Sylvia, and I believe Chuck packs more of a punch than both of them. I'd love to see Liddell/Gonzaga, and I'm confident Chuck could win that, too. And if my ideas panned out, those three wins alone would easily earn Chuck a shot at Lesnar for the title, in a super fight I'd die to see. Chuck KO'ing Nog? Nog might be losing a step or two but to insinuate that somehow when he was in Pride he was unhittable is a stretch. Sapp manhandled him and nearly piledrived him through the mat. Fedor blasted Nog over and over and over in their first fight...that one punch he landed in the corner had to be one of the hardest GnP punches I've ever seen and it just ricocheted off of Nog's chin. Cro Cop dropped Nog. Barnett dropped Nog. Nog has always taken a fair amount of abuse in his fights, especially from competent strikers, and I can guarantee that a prime Cro Cop hits harder than tail-end-of-his-career Liddell. Not to mention, if we're going to throw in 'recent' Nog performances, he got dropped by Tim Sylvia, a 265 pound heavyweight striker, by a flush punch on the chin thrown full force...and he went on to win the fight by sub. And now CHUCK's going to be the one to turn out Nog's lights? I don't think so. Some guys are just genetically well-suited to taking a hard shot and getting through it. Nog is one of those guys. I think he could knock Big Nog out, too. I know it sounds outlandish, but if you're a true fan, you know that this guy we've seen isn't the Nogueira we saw in PRIDE, taking fool's arms home as trophies. He was dropped by Heath Herring and Tim Sylvia, and I believe Chuck packs more of a punch than both of them.I never said Nog was untouchable. I said he was taking people's limbs home at his leisure. I am well aware of Nog's chin. What I'm saying is that the man I watched fight Heath Herring (the third fight at UFC 73) isn't the man I saw in PRIDE. He was slow, sluggish, and had absolutely no snap on his punches at all. They're using a lazy, hands down flying knee he attempted from that fight as a highlight in the UFC 92 trailer. I guarentee Nog would be stopped if he flew at Chuck like that, hands down. Not to say that Minitauro would be using the same game plan on Liddell as he did on Herring, but I digress. All I'm saying is a fight between PRIDE's 2005-2006 Minitaruo and the Chuck Liddell of today would not be the contest it is today. I think Chuck beats Nogueira if they are matched up today, by a TKO. I can totally buy into the fact that we may never, ever see Big Nog unconcious. But if he is eating leather from the Ice Man after being dropped with a looping right hook, they'll need to stop it in order to save his life.
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Post by Sandy on Dec 5, 2008 3:23:49 GMT -5
I too think Nog looks about 10 years older than he did in PRIDE. Not only by his physical appearance but by how much slower he moves. His punches at the beginning of round 1 look like the punches of a normal heavyweight in round number 5. He has an iron chin and phenomenal jiu jitsu...but I feel people give Nog a lot more credit for his stand-up than he deserves. He was about two seconds away from being stopped in the fight against Herring, if Herring wasn't such a dumb f*** letting him get up he would have won by tko. I am a Nogueira fan so I don't want it to sound like I'm bashing him.. I'm just saying what I have seen from him in the UFC thus far.
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Post by Bozwell634™ on Dec 5, 2008 4:56:48 GMT -5
Cool, i love to watch him fight.
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Post by Stinger TNA on Dec 5, 2008 19:53:53 GMT -5
If he loses this fight, he's in the doghouse. He used to be one of the biggest names in MMA, and now he's just slipping.
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Post by BIGticket5 on Dec 5, 2008 21:19:59 GMT -5
Chuck: I am fighting sometime in early 2009. There has been some opponents that have been talked about, but nothing is official. There was Jardine thrown in, Rua thrown in, Bonnar, so far, none of them are interested, but I'll be fighting sometime in March, April, so whoever is ready, ill fight, I'll fight anyone, you know that, so whatever fight they give me, I'll take. out of the fights that I suppose are being thrown around right now Bonnar is one I would prefer for Liddell. I am a fan of Bonnar and a fight with Liddell will help him get higher in the rankings of the LHW division...win or lose. But one fight that isn't being mentioned and that makes the most god damn sense to me is a fight with Brandon Vera. Brandon Vera called out Chuck after his first win in the UFC against Fabiano Scherner..and now that Brandon has only won 1 out of his last 4 fights, and the fight that he did win in those 4 fights wasn't a very impressive win, it makes sense to fight an aging Chuck. Anyone agree? Liddell vs. Vera makes all the sense in the world to me. Plus it would be epic. I am going to have to predict Vera in that one though. Chuck does not seem like he can defend aginst people with kicks and Vera can sure kick. Plus vera has a great ground game... i agree it would be a great fight and i would love to see it! i think the other rumors would be fantastic as well! of course chuck feels the way he does, but i actually agree with him this time. he looked good against sugar rashad. if his uppercut had landed instead of evans', liddell would have won it. plus if this fight is in march, he could still fight randy or spider in june. sounds like plans are starting to firm up for this yr!
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Dec 6, 2008 0:05:54 GMT -5
Chuck KO'ing Nog? Nog might be losing a step or two but to insinuate that somehow when he was in Pride he was unhittable is a stretch. Sapp manhandled him and nearly piledrived him through the mat. Fedor blasted Nog over and over and over in their first fight...that one punch he landed in the corner had to be one of the hardest GnP punches I've ever seen and it just ricocheted off of Nog's chin. Cro Cop dropped Nog. Barnett dropped Nog. Nog has always taken a fair amount of abuse in his fights, especially from competent strikers, and I can guarantee that a prime Cro Cop hits harder than tail-end-of-his-career Liddell. Not to mention, if we're going to throw in 'recent' Nog performances, he got dropped by Tim Sylvia, a 265 pound heavyweight striker, by a flush punch on the chin thrown full force...and he went on to win the fight by sub. And now CHUCK's going to be the one to turn out Nog's lights? I don't think so. Some guys are just genetically well-suited to taking a hard shot and getting through it. Nog is one of those guys. I think he could knock Big Nog out, too. I know it sounds outlandish, but if you're a true fan, you know that this guy we've seen isn't the Nogueira we saw in PRIDE, taking fool's arms home as trophies. He was dropped by Heath Herring and Tim Sylvia, and I believe Chuck packs more of a punch than both of them.I never said Nog was untouchable. I said he was taking people's limbs home at his leisure. I am well aware of Nog's chin. What I'm saying is that the man I watched fight Heath Herring (the third fight at UFC 73) isn't the man I saw in PRIDE. He was slow, sluggish, and had absolutely no snap on his punches at all. They're using a lazy, hands down flying knee he attempted from that fight as a highlight in the UFC 92 trailer. I guarentee Nog would be stopped if he flew at Chuck like that, hands down. Not to say that Minitauro would be using the same game plan on Liddell as he did on Herring, but I digress. All I'm saying is a fight between PRIDE's 2005-2006 Minitaruo and the Chuck Liddell of today would not be the contest it is today. I think Chuck beats Nogueira if they are matched up today, by a TKO. I can totally buy into the fact that we may never, ever see Big Nog unconcious. But if he is eating leather from the Ice Man after being dropped with a looping right hook, they'll need to stop it in order to save his life. If your argument is that Nog is getting closer and closer to being stopped simply by eating too many shots regardless of whether he's actually KO'd or not and Chuck could be the guy to do that to him, then I actually will agree. I'm just not ready to accept the phrase "I think he could knock big nog out too." That implies that Chuck is going to just lay Nog the out and put him to sleep, which I don't see happening even by some of the hardest hitting HEAVYweights. But, Nog is losing a bit of his stride here and there and although his boxing in terms of actually throwing crisp punches is good, his head movement is atrocious. Nog is not going to be stopped by being legit knocked out, but if he ever is stopped on a TKO it'll be a situation where he's simply taking too many shots in a row and they have to stop it, even if he's lucid.
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Post by Bruiser Brody on Dec 6, 2008 1:20:29 GMT -5
I'd like to see Chuck vs. either Bonnar or Vera. And I agree with the knock on The Iceman always looking for the knockout punch. I feel like the man should just work like a boxer. Throw that damn jab. He hits hard and no one will want to get hit by him. If he gets little too close, oh well, hehas great take down defense and can get up better than anyone else.
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