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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jan 10, 2009 10:47:03 GMT -5
So my gf and I finally watched this weeks Impact!.
So she hasn't been watching for more than 4 months and so she doesn't know the ins and outs completely but she gets why I like it and that is all I can ask for.
After watching this rough cut of them she turns to me and asks, why are they sounding like good guys when we're supposed to hate them?
I told her the rough cuts are supposed to be "behind the scenes" looks at them and her eyes just rolled and said, " well that's stupid because if I'm supposed to see them in a good way playing with kids and sounding like they have respect but then the next minute hate them and boo them for what they did to Abyss and Morgan..that's just intellectually- disabled."
I wanted to get into the whole Russo debate but...
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Post by Flyrfn144 on Jan 10, 2009 11:03:00 GMT -5
It happens. It's how they got into the business and such. Same can be said for guys like Jericho and JBL at TTTT. Yes I know it's different, but it's a similar argument
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Post by K5 on Jan 10, 2009 13:10:27 GMT -5
i'd agree with your girlfriend, she's dead on. it's hard to make an accurate illusion of a character when you're also showing how he 'really' is.
i thought this was going to be about how the combination of those two stars is stupid for a team, in which i'd also agree. talk about ruining two solid single runs.
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 10, 2009 15:53:33 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is to be honest. What id you want TNA to do with Storm? Beat his daughter on national TV? It's not like he went and worked at a Homless Shelter or nothing. It gives you a look into their lives - it's the same thing as doing a DVD on them. They're not gonna keep kayfabe for things like that. It's kinda like how WWE guys break characeter for TTTT. Also, who says BMI aint turning face? Wait, no.. that's logical thinking.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2009 15:55:22 GMT -5
Ah, just watching that only make me want Roode in WWE THAT much more.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Jan 10, 2009 15:56:04 GMT -5
It's them out of the ring. If you'd see them in person that's how they'd be. That's the whloe point of kayfabe, my friend.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jan 11, 2009 23:26:40 GMT -5
It's them out of the ring. If you'd see them in person that's how they'd be. That's the whloe point of kayfabe, my friend. Yeah but to break kayfabe and make them seem like they are great guys..right BEFORE you're supposed to hate on them. Plain stupid marketing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2009 23:54:04 GMT -5
It's them out of the ring. If you'd see them in person that's how they'd be. That's the whloe point of kayfabe, my friend. Yeah but to break kayfabe and make them seem like they are great guys..right BEFORE you're supposed to hate on them. Plain stupid marketing. Bad placement on the show, but it isn't stupid. It's basiclly the same type of deal with WWE's Confidential from a few years ago. It's a look at the wrestler's real live, and what they do outside of the ring. It's a great idea, imo. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jan 12, 2009 0:29:21 GMT -5
Yeah but to break kayfabe and make them seem like they are great guys..right BEFORE you're supposed to hate on them. Plain stupid marketing. Bad placement on the show, but it isn't stupid. It's basiclly the same type of deal with WWE's Confidential from a few years ago. It's a look at the wrestler's real live, and what they do outside of the ring. It's a great idea, imo. And we all see how good Confidential was at lasting. The idea is ok seeing as how no one is dumb enough today to think that wrestling is real unless you live in the south, and don't hate on me for that because I got proof that some good ole southerners still think rasslin is on the level. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 12, 2009 0:39:31 GMT -5
Yeah but to break kayfabe and make them seem like they are great guys..right BEFORE you're supposed to hate on them. Plain stupid marketing. Bad placement on the show, but it isn't stupid. It's basiclly the same type of deal with WWE's Confidential from a few years ago. It's a look at the wrestler's real live, and what they do outside of the ring. It's a great idea, imo. There's a difference between putting it on a Confidential-esque "behind the scenes" show and putting it on the very same show where we're meant to be booing them. TNA is presenting the same people as two different characters in the same episode of television. How does it help the characters? If in the middle of an episode of LOST, "Ben" does something evil and then we go to an interview with the actor playing him, explaining he's nice in real life, then back to the character doing more evil stuff, it's bad television. Basically: How is the audience supposed to feel about Beer Money? Are we supposed to "respect" the real guys but then forget the real guys (even though we just saw them on this very same show) and boo the characters? That sort of crapis why TNA is only appealing to a very small portion of the wrestling audience, let alone the wider audience. If we're meant to boo them, why show them as decent guys in real life? If we're meant to cheer them, why have them be bad guys in the ring? It doesn't make sense. This isn't a case like in layered dramas where characters have mysterious motivations and deep morality, hell this isn't even like Shawn Michaels being conflicted about what to do as JBL's Virgil. This is just TNA putting segments on its show that are saying "WHEN YOU SEE US DOING BAD GUY STUFF IN A FEW MINUTES, IT'S JUST FAKE WRESTLING STUFF! SO DON'T RESPOND TO IT!" |
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 12, 2009 0:42:49 GMT -5
It doesn't matter - Beer Money gets cheered and booed just like everyone else.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jan 12, 2009 0:44:34 GMT -5
It doesn't matter - Beer Money gets cheered and booed just like everyone else. Personally seeing them feud over the TNA world title wouldn't be that bad. |
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Post by Heresy on Jan 13, 2009 12:03:14 GMT -5
It doesn't matter - Beer Money gets cheered and booed just like everyone else. Maybe that's the problem. A feud is nothing if it fails to create the illusion of real tension and real drama... that is what made AJ/Angle, and Joe/Angle successful. A great match is one with drama in the sports entertainment world, and since I'm assuming TNA desperately wants to be sports entertainment they should start with the basic fundamentals... drama is the moneymaker, not "great matches" for the sake of having "great matches", nor is it lifting the curtain on the "heel illusion", nor is it shoving as many former stars on a card as possible. I've taken many highschool and college marketing/business classes and all I needed was common sense to figure that one out. Yeah I agree it's  ing stupid to portray heels as normal people on the same show they're playing heels, and the roughcut in general is overused. |
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Post by newfrigginshow on Jan 13, 2009 16:13:42 GMT -5
Yeah I don't care for the rough cuts. I'm tying to suspend my disbelief and I wind up liking the heels that I used to despise in some cases.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 13, 2009 16:22:21 GMT -5
Rough Cuts is the best thing going in TNA. Sad to say.....but it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2009 12:41:24 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is to be honest. What id you want TNA to do with Storm? Beat his daughter on national TV? It's not like he went and worked at a Homless Shelter or nothing. It gives you a look into their lives - it's the same thing as doing a DVD on them. They're not gonna keep kayfabe for things like that. It's kinda like how WWE guys break characeter for TTTT. This is how you show a heel at home nuff' Said |
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Post by Deep Shadows on Jan 15, 2009 8:10:26 GMT -5
Well, I could see how someone new to wrestling would feel that way. It is kind of lame to me that TNA is voluntarily putting that out there. You really don't have a choice but to seperate the character from the actual person. That should be something special they only have on their site...for people that are smart to the business and want to watch them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2009 11:44:12 GMT -5
Well, I could see how someone new to wrestling would feel that way. It is kind of lame to me that TNA is voluntarily putting that out there. You really don't have a choice but to seperate the character from the actual person. That should be something special they only have on their site...for people that are smart to the business and want to watch them. Yeah I agree, It really makes no sense to display that on TV when they are supposed to be the heels, unless of course they were turning face but it doesn't look like it. |
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