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Post by savethewhcjericho on Jan 24, 2009 6:03:16 GMT -5
in 2006 i was one of the idiots saying '' tna should really keep bringing in big names this is great, dream match etc. well its been 3 years and a few big name wcw wwe guys later and this is a disaster. i havent watched tna in almost a year besides youtube to catch up. the mem cream the frontline every week, aj styles lost to sting in a tna world championship match, scott steiner ruined petty willams, kevin nash ruined jay lethal. tna is trying so hard to be like the wwe and its because of guys like angle and nash. im sure there is also pressure from spike tna has ruined so many things kazarian is now suicide?  ?? wtf, kaz is an amazingwrestler and has a great look already no using the fallen angel= just intellectually- disabled curryman is cool on occasion releasing elix skipper, who was brillant destroying the x division if tna was smart the x division would be the focus of tna [like early tna] and on occasion would main event ppvs! using too much comedy i like comedy in wrestling but tna just butchers it why does tna suck so hard? |
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Post by warmachine76 on Jan 24, 2009 10:10:12 GMT -5
If you haven't watched TNA in over a year you shouldn't bash it. Watching parts of Impact on Youtube isn't enough to know what is going on.
Curryman has been gone for awhile now. You obviously didn't know that. Youtube is letting you down. I'm sure the Fallen Angel will be returning soon.
Kaz has been hurt off and on now for months. So it wouldn't matter if he was Suicide or not. He still would be watching from the sidelines.
Elix Skipper....brilliant? Really? That is one of the most ridiculous things i've ever read. Skipper was and is a marginal talent at best. That was my nice way of calling him a jobber. He can't cut a promo and his in ring work has diminished. No big loss at all.
Steiner ruined Petey? I can't disagree with you enough on that. Petey was bland before he was put with Steiner. Yes his in ring work was amazing but his personality was flat out boring. Once he became Maple Leaf Muscle he seemed to get a little more focused and entertaining. So if anything I think Steiner helped Petey.
Yes the X-Division has been in a shambles for well over a year but TNA is trying to fix that now. They have put more focus back on the belt. Now that it is around Alex Shelley's waist I expect the X-Div. to play a big part of things this year. Especially since Shelley is clearly being pushed at this point. I don't agree that it should be the focus of TNA though. I'm sorry but the Heavyweight title should be the focus of a wrestling company.
Too much comedy? TNA has stopped doing a lot of comedy. They have had one comedy angle running in the womens division and that just came to an end. Well the angle isn't over but after Impact this week i'm hoping the comedy part is. That beat down by The Beautiful People was good.
You are entitled to your opinion on TNA but at least know what you are talking about. You can't watch a years worth of a wrestling show in recap mode on Youtube and be up to date.
TNA still has their booking issues but in my opinion they don't suck the way people say they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 12:16:53 GMT -5
I agree with a lot/most of the things you said here...
TNA was downright stupid to create a character based off of a video game... THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT... and pretty much sucked. Kazarian was fine the way he was and theres no reason they should've even attempted to put him under a hood. I haven't seen Suicide in about a week or 2, so i'm hoping the character is already done. It was stupid and did nothing for the sales of the game.
"Fallen Angel" will be back soon enough ( thank god ), but i'm getting a little impatient. I personally hope he's the 5th and final member of the Frontline at LockDown. That'd be awesome. Then once the Frontline/MEM fued is over with, turn him heel again and give him the main event push he deserves.
Skipper reminded me much more of a lesser Shelton Benjamin. The kid had SOME talent, but not that much. I'd take him over 1/2 of TNA's roster right now, though.
The X-Division was completely ruined, especially when the likes of Angle, Team 3D had it. I agree with warmachine76 on that Shelley seems to be the guy they've chosen to bring it back. However, I diagree strongly that the World title should always main event. Again... Unbreakable 2005... a match known as "TNA's best match ever". It was great that guys like Styles, Daniels and Joe got to show what they were capeable of in the main event. It didn't ruin the Raven/Rhino match, but it gave the fans something to stick around for. Not like lately, where the best ( and only good ) matches are usually the undercard.
TOO MUCH COMEDY, couldn't agree more. It seems like every other skit is just stupid punchline after stupid punchline. But more importantly, most of the gimmicks in TNA are a damn joke. Mostly Abyss, what the hell are they doing to this poor guy? I just hope it leads to something good... and for the love of god... keep him away from a microphone.
... and thats my little rant. Didn't feel like typing too much. So for the most part, it's simple.
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Post by Heresy on Jan 24, 2009 13:19:26 GMT -5
why does tna suck so hard? Because they desperately want to be sports entertainment, but can't make the grade. They hide it with an advertising campaign of "We're better than the competition" when they really want to be the competition. They can't blatantly false advertise, so the real talent become a chore in the bookers' minds. They want their product to be celebrity-based like WWE, but also need to pander to the audience that brought them to the game. This presents an internal conflict that creates a disorganized, forced, hypocritical, stagnant product... a midcard that doesn't progress, knockouts who are no better than divas, and main eventers who are signed into their top spots. It's possible one day TNA will realize it wasn't the celebrity wrestlers that made WWE and WCW, it was WWE and WCW that made the wrestlers celebrities. I won't hold my breath. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 13:30:07 GMT -5
Well said, Ripper... well said.
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 24, 2009 14:01:27 GMT -5
I agree with a lot/most of the things you said here... TNA was downright stupid to create a character based off of a video game... THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT... and pretty much sucked. Kazarian was fine the way he was and theres no reason they should've even attempted to put him under a hood. I haven't seen Suicide in about a week or 2, so i'm hoping the character is already done. It was stupid and did nothing for the sales of the game. "Fallen Angel" will be back soon enough ( thank god ), but i'm getting a little impatient. I personally hope he's the 5th and final member of the Frontline at LockDown. That'd be awesome. Then once the Frontline/MEM fued is over with, turn him heel again and give him the main event push he deserves. Skipper reminded me much more of a lesser Shelton Benjamin. The kid had SOME talent, but not that much. I'd take him over 1/2 of TNA's roster right now, though. The X-Division was completely ruined, especially when the likes of Angle, Team 3D had it. I agree with warmachine76 on that Shelley seems to be the guy they've chosen to bring it back. However, I diagree strongly that the World title should always main event. Again... Unbreakable 2005... a match known as "TNA's best match ever". It was great that guys like Styles, Daniels and Joe got to show what they were capeable of in the main event. It didn't ruin the Raven/Rhino match, but it gave the fans something to stick around for. Not like lately, where the best ( and only good ) matches are usually the undercard. TOO MUCH COMEDY, couldn't agree more. It seems like every other skit is just stupid punchline after stupid punchline. But more importantly, most of the gimmicks in TNA are a damn joke. Mostly Abyss, what the hell are they doing to this poor guy? I just hope it leads to something good... and for the love of god... keep him away from a microphone. ... and thats my little rant. Didn't feel like typing too much. So for the most part, it's simple. - Triple S The diffrence between Styles/Joe/Daniels main eventing and the X-Division main event was who was it in and the storyline. 2/3 guys have gone on to re-main event, AJ's a multi-time world champion, and Daniels should be returning to the main event. You can't say they're just "X-Division Guys" now because AJ was a former world champion when they main evented. That's a little diffrent than say Shelley/Sabin - Joe/Styles/Daniels has drawing power (proven by Joe/Styles both being former world champions) while SHelley/Sabin wouldn't work main event. Plus, the storyline behind Joe/Daniels/Styles worked better as a main event then any other X-Division main event. |
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Post by savethewhcjericho on Jan 24, 2009 15:01:07 GMT -5
why does tna suck so hard? Because they desperately want to be sports entertainment, but can't make the grade. They hide it with an advertising campaign of "We're better than the competition" when they really want to be the competition. They can't blatantly false advertise, so the real talent become a chore in the bookers' minds. They want their product to be celebrity-based like WWE, but also need to pander to the audience that brought them to the game. This presents an internal conflict that creates a disorganized, forced, hypocritical, stagnant product... a midcard that doesn't progress, knockouts who are no better than divas, and main eventers who are signed into their top spots. It's possible one day TNA will realize it wasn't the celebrity wrestlers that made WWE and WCW, it was WWE and WCW that made the wrestlers celebrities. I won't hold my breath. its a shame though because from 2002-2006 i was a huge fan. i had never been exposed to roh so it was my first time seeing that kind of high risk style and emphasis on wrestling. you definitely answered my question though so thanks |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 16:20:51 GMT -5
No, there isn't a difference at all between the AJ/Joe/Daniels match(es)...
It was three guys that weren't in the main event title picture, but because these guys could work... they were given the main event spot of Unbreakable 2005. They delievered much more than Raven/Rhino did and if Raven vs. Rhino would've been the main event, people wouldn't have care. Because it would've had to top AJ/Joe/Daniels, which it wouldn't have.
Shelley and Sabin ( amongst others ) could definitely main event pay-per-views, but they'll never be given the chance. At least not as long as guys like Sting, Angle, Steiner, Booker T and Nash are around. These guys are the future of TNA and it's time TNA starts taking a step to the future and begins to slowly let these "washed up" former WCW talents go. For once, TNA should take a page out of the WWE's book:
WWE is clearly pushing towards the future, with pushing their future stars ( Randy Orton, John Cena, Jeff Hardy, Edge, etc. ) to the main event spots. While putting the older guys ( Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H... for the most part ) on the sidelines a little bit. Still giving them big fueds, but not constantly in the title picture. Triple H is a bit younger than the other 2, so I feel him in the main event picture with the younger guys is perfect.
TNA needs to do the same. Instead of trying to fool me into believing this Fatal 4-Way match is going to be worth money to see... give me someone WORTH watching in the main event instead. I can only imagine the crap Styles is going to wind up with for Against All Odds.
AJ Styles vs. Scott Steiner? Ugh, please no. AJ Styles vs. Booker T? Even worse. But who else is Styles going to fued with?
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 24, 2009 16:31:36 GMT -5
There is a major diffrence between Shelley/Sabin and Joe/Daniels/Styles - drawing power. In my opinion Shelley/Sabin can't draw like Joe/Daniels/Styles did. Plus, why give the main event to Sabin/Shelley when there's no real story like with Joe/Daniels/Styles? They had amazing buildup heading into Unbreakable (and after Unbreakable) which it why it worked well. There's no one in the X-Division they can draw in the main event of a PPV right now. They knew AJ Styles could draw in the main event - because he has done it before - which is probally one reason they main evented. Look at the X-Division:
Sheik Abdul Bashir
Alexx Shelley
Chris Sabin
Eric Yong
Homicide
Kiyoshi
Sonjay Dutt
Those are the ones working in the X-Division right now and not in another storyline. NONE of those can draw in a main event without a name to me. I'm not going to buy a PPV to watch Sonjay Dutt vs. Alex Shelley in the main event. Alex Shelley vs. AJ Styles, Alex Shelley vs. Samoa Joe, see what I mean? The X-Division guy needs a name with him to draw in buys. You can't just think because 99.9% of the IWC marks for the X-Division it can or will draw in the main event.
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About the whole main event at AAO - it makes sense storyline wise. You got 3D wanting revenge on both Angle/Sting - so instead of wasting two spots and having Ray/Sting wrestle alone - throw Angle in there to make it watchable. We know Ray and Sting both are hurting so we know they wouldn't put on a great match so you put Angle in there who's a "work horse" and he'll be able to pull something out (he always does). I'm not saying it's a smart choice but it's the logical choice - if AJ takes the title off Sting - where's the storyline go from there? The young guy has already beaten the vertarn. What's next? Nothing. It's like the good guy winning 10 minutes into a movie - there's no pay off at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 16:52:23 GMT -5
The funny thing was nobody knew the main event at Unbreakable was going to be Styles/Daniels/Joe... and PLEASE don't claim that you did. Just like pay-per-views now-a-days, not evey single month does everyone know what the main event is going to be.
And all it takes is a simple storyline push. You wanna tell me that Shelley/Sabin ( just as examples ) couldn't draw is given a storyline push to work with? Hell, more than half of the time... THATS who people go to see. Guys like Sabin, Shelley, Styles, Petey, etc. I also love how you claim the "IWC"... your apart of the internet wrestling community.
As far as AAO main event goes, I don't CARE what logically makes sense. Nor do I think anyone else does either, for the most part. When i'm buying a pay-per-view I want to see a good wrestling match. Storyline build-up is what iMPACT! is for. I don't wanna see 3 washed up guys and 1 great athlete wrestle for 15+ minutes. I'd rather see a match WORTH money.
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 24, 2009 17:10:42 GMT -5
Would you caare to point out where I said I wasn't? Exactly. I didn't. I was just saying just because the IWC marks for it - doesn't mean non-IWC fans do and want to see it in the main event.
I wasn't going to claim anything - you don't have to be a dick.
Also - you just totally contradicted yourself:
You clearly said: "Just like pay-per-views now-a-days, not every single month does everyone know what the main event is going to be"
Then how do you know the the Four Way will be the main event?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 17:15:39 GMT -5
To steal a page from your book: Where did I ever say I KNEW it'd be main event? "Exactly. I didn't."  And why would TNA ( or any promotion ) care about what "non-IWC" fans think? It's the "IWC" that consists of it's more following fanbase. It's the people on the internet that watch it weekly, follow it thuroughly (sp?) and pretty much dedicate their lives to it. - Triple S |
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 24, 2009 17:21:48 GMT -5
To steal a page from your book: Where did I ever say I KNEW it'd be main event? "Exactly. I didn't." And why would TNA ( or any promotion ) care about what "non-IWC" fans think? It's the "IWC" that consists of it's more following fanbase. It's the people on the internet that watch it weekly, follow it thuroughly (sp?) and pretty much dedicate their lives to it. - Triple S That's where you assumed it was the main event. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2009 17:26:04 GMT -5
Assume... knowledge. Two completely different things.
I'm done with this... i'm done arguing with you, over what I did/didn't say. If you want to continue this, feel free to PM me.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jan 24, 2009 19:33:00 GMT -5
why does tna suck so hard? Because it's not the WWE.. |
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Post by MX5 on Jan 24, 2009 19:58:27 GMT -5
When they bring Daniels back, I might start viewing again. They are drawing out the whole Curry Man ordeal they have going on, and I just go tired of everything they were doing. I still look around the net mainly this board to see what new is going on, and I'm in no hurry to start watching it again. I'm not interested in the MEM storyline, it's just seems like a recycled NWO styled angle, and also seems very cheesy. The line up for the Frontline guys also turns me off. It's time for some of these older guys to get out of the business, and just let it go, Scott Steiner has no talent anymore I'm sorry, the only thing he's good for is unintentional comedy. Sting is more boring than ever, if you have seen one of his matches you have seen them all, a very basic moveset with some submissions, I'm tired of him, along with the other MEM guys. Booker T's TNA run has been a joke, lets give him a generic title that he doesn't even need. Like I said, I haven't watched in a year and a half or so, but if they bring Daniels back I may tune in.
Oh and I cannot stand James Storm or Robert Roode, boring. Lets have this guy drink beer that's never been done. Oh and have this guy be a rich millionaire styled person, never seen that one!
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Post by rkoorfu on Jan 24, 2009 23:42:09 GMT -5
No, there isn't a difference at all between the AJ/Joe/Daniels match(es)... It was three guys that weren't in the main event title picture, but because these guys could work... they were given the main event spot of Unbreakable 2005. They delievered much more than Raven/Rhino did and if Raven vs. Rhino would've been the main event, people wouldn't have care. Because it would've had to top AJ/Joe/Daniels, which it wouldn't have. Shelley and Sabin ( amongst others ) could definitely main event pay-per-views, but they'll never be given the chance. At least not as long as guys like Sting, Angle, Steiner, Booker T and Nash are around. These guys are the future of TNA and it's time TNA starts taking a step to the future and begins to slowly let these "washed up" former WCW talents go. For once, TNA should take a page out of the WWE's book: WWE is clearly pushing towards the future, with pushing their future stars ( Randy Orton, John Cena, Jeff Hardy, Edge, etc. ) to the main event spots. While putting the older guys ( Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Triple H... for the most part ) on the sidelines a little bit. Still giving them big fueds, but not constantly in the title picture. Triple H is a bit younger than the other 2, so I feel him in the main event picture with the younger guys is perfect. TNA needs to do the same. Instead of trying to fool me into believing this Fatal 4-Way match is going to be worth money to see... give me someone WORTH watching in the main event instead. I can only imagine the crap Styles is going to wind up with for Against All Odds. AJ Styles vs. Scott Steiner? Ugh, please no. AJ Styles vs. Booker T? Even worse. But who else is Styles going to fued with? - Triple S I totally agree with this and your first response. I would love to see say a alex shelly vs. chris sabin vs. homicide main event and maybe even throw in a ladder or ultimate x match stipulation in there to. You give it a good storyline i might actually give a crap about the main event. I dont know how you would rather see a main event with 3d vs angle vs sting than a three way between those three. And yes i am assuming it is a main event match since about all of the main events in the past two years have had the world champion in it. |
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Post by carly1988 on Jan 25, 2009 10:55:03 GMT -5
Why do people feel that MEM beating down Joe, Styles etc every week is burying them? Its called building a storyline. Its not burying them. The same thing happened with the nWo. Was it burying Sting when he would drop from the ceiling and Vincent, Scott Norton and Buff Bagwell would beat the hell out of him? No, it builds the story as "the guys that cant" so when they actually go out and do it gives them more kayfabe credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 13:17:09 GMT -5
Who said the MEM were burying anyone?
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Post by tnafan4life on Jan 25, 2009 15:55:50 GMT -5
Why do people feel that MEM beating down Joe, Styles etc every week is burying them? Its called building a storyline. Its not burying them. The same thing happened with the nWo. Was it burying Sting when he would drop from the ceiling and Vincent, Scott Norton and Buff Bagwell would beat the hell out of him? No, it builds the story as "the guys that cant" so when they actually go out and do it gives them more kayfabe credibility. Exactly. Also, compiling how the Main event Mafia doesn't put them over right now - it's like a movie. The bad guy wins 3/4 of the movie THEN the good guy wins it. If the good guy wins 10 minutes into a movie - you have no movie. Same with wrestling - if the AJ would've won the world title at Turning Point - where would've the story gone? That would've been the "payoff" way to early. |
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