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Post by Almost Like Flacco on Jan 26, 2009 6:45:51 GMT -5
The problem is Cena's 4 WWE/World Title R uns = 803 + (est.) Edge's 7 WWE/World Title Runs = 323 + (est.) Am I the only one who sees a problem with that? Yeah, because busting his butt for TEN plus years and being one of the biggest heels going today - is in no way worthy of 7 SHORT title runs. So what?.. Plenty of wrestlers have worked their arse off for ten years.. What's your point?.. What about Kane?.. What about Jericho?.. What about HBK?.. The fact that Edge has more world title reigns than they do, is criminal - and him winning more world titles than 'Taker, is just plain ridiculous.. WHAT!?!? You really believe that Shawn Michaels, one of the most decorated and recognizable superstars in WWE history, is being held down just because he hasn't had as many title reigns as Edge? Give. Me. A. Break!
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Post by pineappleexpress on Jan 26, 2009 6:50:00 GMT -5
No, and i'll give you one SIMPLE reason... Edge has busted his ass for the WWE for 10+ years now. Not to mention, it took him 8 years ( I think ) to win his first major singles title. It took Cena, what? 3? Edhe won his at a New Years Revolution, Cena... WrestleMania. A BIG difference. Also, Edge has proven time and time again... he can carry a match, unlike Cena. Where Cena needs someone GREAT to make him look good. Such as Shawn Michaels, Triple H, etc. His match tonight with JBL was just as bad as their match at WrestleMania 21. - Triple S Time in the business means all. It's all about timing. Cena was hot crapin 2005 when he won his first title, and it was the right decision by the WWE. They also waited the right amount of time for Edge. If time garnered success, Bob Holly would be a 20x WWE champion. And in my opinion, Cena has put on more MOTY candidates than any other performer during the past 3 years.
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Post by Wfigs #1 Metal-Head on Jan 26, 2009 7:10:15 GMT -5
Well i think this whole 7 title reigns for Edge is completly stupid. It kinda makes the titles worthless. Now the things is though, is that Edge has been a mid-carder for half of his carrer. He didn't even win a major title untill '05.
Cena though got one in a matter of 3 years. And then had a very very long title reign. Now Cena can put on some decent matches, but he's nothing compared to Edge.
I remember when Edge first won the title, it was Godly. But then he started winning them more frequently and it lost it's spark. I mean 7 reigns in a matter of a few years is stupid.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Jan 26, 2009 7:10:05 GMT -5
Edge is like the best wrestler alive today in my opion it goes Edge, HBK, Jericho, and Edge is jsut a tank and he has busted his butt for the alst decade for this, i think he deserves it man hopefully he surpasses trips and im a big triple h fan too.
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Post by K5 on Jan 26, 2009 9:55:49 GMT -5
i'd agree, but i'm biased as i hate edge. but yea, i feel he went from midcarding to main event status dramatically fast. when people find out edge is champ, they think "like edge from edge and christian? the small guys?"
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Post by Chip on Jan 26, 2009 10:00:48 GMT -5
Edge is one of WWE's biggest stars. 7 World title reigns is alot, but in the era of the "transitional" champion...he's had about 3 legit reigns.
A guy like Undertaker only having a few makes his title reigns just that much more significant. Think of it this way...
When HHH wins a World Title...everyone says "oh there he goes...putting himself on top AGAIN" When Undertaker wins...everyone says "well its been so long, he deserves this one, lets hope he has a good long reign with it"
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Post by Edge618 on Jan 27, 2009 2:22:58 GMT -5
I think Edge and Cena have both proved their worth, Edge maybe a little more though. But IMO the time Edge and Cena have spent in WWE shouldnt matter, as Edge wasnt always the Rated R Superstar, the top heel. It took Edge 8 years to perfect his character, thats rests on him. It just happened to take Cena 3 years to perfect his. Oh, don't give me that ****. ( and I don't swear often in these forums ) For you to even compare Cena and Edge's careers that way, is just completely ridiculous. "Perfected his character?" WHAT THE HELL IS CENA'S CHARACTER!? Oh, thats right... himself, real original. - Triple S Okay, Cena won the belt 3 years into his WWE career, and really it was believeable, he was the new top guy. Look at Edge in the first 3 years in his WWE career, did he connect with the fans like Cena did?? No. As a matter of fact i doubt anyone even remembers what Edge was doing 3 years into his career. He definantly wasn't ready to main event.
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Post by Sandy on Jan 27, 2009 3:41:10 GMT -5
some ridiculous things are being said..
Edge is WWE's best wrestler?
HUH? In what sense?
Technically? no that would go to Jericho.
ability to carry someone through a match? No that is HBK.
Being the best heel in the WWE who can actually wrestle? Sorry...that goes to Randy Orton.
Edge is decent. But the love for this guy is ridiculous. Out of Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, and Christian...this is the guy who impressed you the most with their epic TLC matches? Jesus Christ..
and for him to have 7 world title reigns make the title a bit cheap. I don't mind him winning the world title but 7 times in 3 years? That is just ridiculous.
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Post by Rant Casey on Jan 27, 2009 4:14:07 GMT -5
Oh, don't give me that ****. ( and I don't swear often in these forums ) For you to even compare Cena and Edge's careers that way, is just completely ridiculous. "Perfected his character?" WHAT THE HELL IS CENA'S CHARACTER!? Oh, thats right... himself, real original. - Triple S Okay, Cena won the belt 3 years into his WWE career, and really it was believeable, he was the new top guy. Look at Edge in the first 3 years in his WWE career, did he connect with the fans like Cena did?? No. As a matter of fact i doubt anyone even remembers what Edge was doing 3 years into his career. He definantly wasn't ready to main event. Edge was teaming with Christian and they were on top of the Tag Team division for what was, in my opinion, the best period for tag team wrestling ever. And they totally reeked of awesomeness.
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Post by v/\v on Jan 27, 2009 5:09:24 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the number just the way they have come about, too many "cheap" wins and short reigns for Edge recently, why can't Edge have a 'Cena reign' ever...once?
Cena gets flack because he holds the belt for ages, plus he is nothing great in the ring, he doesn't do anything different, then spouts childish garb when they give him a mic, which is often.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 27, 2009 8:05:59 GMT -5
I believe edge wholeheatedly deserves world title reigns, he worked his way up and really got himself to where he is at. But on paper, its 7 title reigns which is MASSIVE, absolutely massive and he isnt anywhere near done. The fact is, the reigns shouldnt be so short and numerous (also uneventful) but more substantial, fewer and more eventful. Then your problem isn't really with Edge, is it? It's with the frequency of title changes nowadays. Rock had three WWF title reigns in late 98/early 99 that lasted a few weeks. Mick Foley's three WWF title reigns were all tiny. It's hilarious that people get so caught up in wrestlers "deserving" a certain number of title reigns and really have no criteria for it. Someone even said something along the lines of "It's criminal that Edge has more title reigns than Taker" which is outright laughable. Edge's character is all about exploiting opportunity, then getting his comeuppance. It lends itself perfectly well to short title reigns. If Edge had one title reign that lasted nine months and ended with him losing by DQ and count out all the time (like Flair back in the day) people would complain. Cena had a title reign that lasted a year, people complained. Is it so difficult to just stop getting bothered about unimportant, stupid crapand enjoy wrestling?
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Post by T1 on Jan 27, 2009 9:02:56 GMT -5
I'm just angry over how short and crappy they are. I believe in quality, not quantity and I'd trade in all 7 of those title reigns for 1 big one. He was supposed to get it from May 2007 to WM24 but it never happened, which completely sucks.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 27, 2009 9:40:56 GMT -5
some ridiculous things are being said.. Edge is WWE's best wrestler? HUH? In what sense? Technically? no that would go to Jericho. ability to carry someone through a match? No that is HBK. Being the best heel in the WWE who can actually wrestle? Sorry...that goes to Randy Orton. Perhaps you haven't come across this word before, but look it up: Opinion.Perhaps some people have actually watched wrestling since then and aren't just going off TLC matches from eight or nine years ago?
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Jan 28, 2009 2:48:35 GMT -5
I believe edge wholeheatedly deserves world title reigns, he worked his way up and really got himself to where he is at. But on paper, its 7 title reigns which is MASSIVE, absolutely massive and he isnt anywhere near done. The fact is, the reigns shouldnt be so short and numerous (also uneventful) but more substantial, fewer and more eventful. Then your problem isn't really with Edge, is it? It's with the frequency of title changes nowadays. Rock had three WWF title reigns in late 98/early 99 that lasted a few weeks. Mick Foley's three WWF title reigns were all tiny. It's hilarious that people get so caught up in wrestlers "deserving" a certain number of title reigns and really have no criteria for it. Someone even said something along the lines of "It's criminal that Edge has more title reigns than Taker" which is outright laughable. Edge's character is all about exploiting opportunity, then getting his comeuppance. It lends itself perfectly well to short title reigns. If Edge had one title reign that lasted nine months and ended with him losing by DQ and count out all the time (like Flair back in the day) people would complain. Cena had a title reign that lasted a year, people complained. Is it so difficult to just stop getting bothered about unimportant, stupid **** and enjoy wrestling? Its both really. Edge deserves a title reign but not 7 of them and particularly mostly short crappy ones. But yes wwe juggles the titles around too much and doesnt go for variety too much. I know edges character and hes done it a few times which works but theres a limit. Also he would seem a better opportunist if the opportunities he capatlised on were actually worthwhile.... Also, no need to tell me to enjoy, because i do. Im not one of so many people whinging and whining about the lack of christian. They whinge about that wanting something to happen yet its probably the same people saying wwe is too predictable.
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Post by ReDxEnEmY718 on Jan 28, 2009 3:09:38 GMT -5
I would say yes and no. Title reigns really don't mean sht anymore. Remember when RVD was ECW Television champ for like 2 years straight? No one ever beat him for the title, he had to forfeit the title when he got injured. The dude was undefeated yet nowadays long title reigns like that don't mean sht. If someone holds a title belt for x amount of time, it isn't as impressive nowadays compared to how many times a wrestler has won a particular belt. So theoretically, a wrestler with 7 relatively short title reigns is more appealing now then a guy who's only won the belt 5 times and had 5 decent 3 to 6 month title reigns. Edge is d3f deserving of being the 7 time world champion but at the same time, 2 or 3 of his reigns were really short-lived. When he cashed in his Money In The Bank briefcase at New Years Revolution, I almost cried it was so awesome. He had that briefcase for almost a full year before he used. I actually forgot he had it. When he won the title that night, it was most d3f an amazing moment but that one title reign was very short-lived. Almost embarrassing in a way. My opinion, Edge totally deserves the 7 time champ status, he's d3f earned and we know the guy can extract heat from the fans. That's really what it's all about. If you can get that heat from the fans, sooner or later, the WWE is going to put a belt on you to get even MORE heat.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jan 28, 2009 3:12:37 GMT -5
I think Edge and Cena have both proved their worth, Edge maybe a little more though. But IMO the time Edge and Cena have spent in WWE shouldnt matter, as Edge wasnt always the Rated R Superstar, the top heel. It took Edge 8 years to perfect his character, thats rests on him. It just happened to take Cena 3 years to perfect his. Oh, don't give me that ****. ( and I don't swear often in these forums ) For you to even compare Cena and Edge's careers that way, is just completely ridiculous. "Perfected his character?" WHAT THE HELL IS CENA'S CHARACTER!? Oh, thats right... himself, real original. - Triple S thats right. Edge didnt perfect $hit. he got his gimmick cause he slept with Matts girlfriend. without that, and that alone, Edge would be in the same boat he was on for 8 long years.
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Post by Sandy on Jan 28, 2009 4:21:55 GMT -5
some ridiculous things are being said.. Edge is WWE's best wrestler? HUH? In what sense? Technically? no that would go to Jericho. ability to carry someone through a match? No that is HBK. Being the best heel in the WWE who can actually wrestle? Sorry...that goes to Randy Orton. Perhaps you haven't come across this word before, but look it up: Opinion.Perhaps some people have actually watched wrestling since then and aren't just going off TLC matches from eight or nine years ago? okay, what has evolved so much in the last 8 years that people should take notice about Edge? I'm curious. Because I truly want to be on his jock just like all of you guys but I just can't seem to get into him. He is decent in the ring...decent on the mic. The true mark of a talent is whether or not you can get the fans to all love you or hate you at the drop of a dime. Austin, Rock, Kurt Angle, HBK, and Hogan are all capable of that.. Edge isn't..he is stuck being a heel. Please don't post a 3 year old youtube video of him getting a huge pop...I think everyone (even people who are fans of Edge) can agree that he is stuck being a heel. He is a horrible face.
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