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Post by jomoishollywood on Feb 6, 2009 1:25:19 GMT -5
Hi guys,
so in a few weeks I am going to start a screenplay adaption of The Killing Joke.
What I wanted to know was, what other comic books should I read before I start writing?
The Killing Joke is not long enough to be adapted straight forward, but I am obviously going to make scenes longer, maybe a new origin story, etc. I was also wondering if it would be believable to have some elements from The Dark night aswell.
I'm pretty big into comics, but I don't know everything, so if you guys can help that would be great, thanks.
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Post by chumped on Feb 6, 2009 1:58:19 GMT -5
Read Batman: The Man Who Laughs. It's about Joker's first appearance in Gotham. With Joker's origin, the material from Man Who Laughs, and Killing Joke, you should be able to think of a solid film.
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Post by jomoishollywood on Feb 6, 2009 4:20:28 GMT -5
Read Batman: The Man Who Laughs. It's about Joker's first appearance in Gotham. With Joker's origin, the material from Man Who Laughs, and Killing Joke, you should be able to think of a solid film. Yeah, I was definitely thinking The Man Who Laughs. I definitely don't want to ruin or tamper the Joker's origin, if that makes sense. |
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Post by tazz13 on Feb 7, 2009 22:19:40 GMT -5
Don't go around like you know this stuff Joseph. I'm the one who told you to read the Man Who Laughs.  |
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Post by theforrestgriffin2 on Feb 8, 2009 0:58:41 GMT -5
Don't go around like you know this stuff Joseph. I'm the one who told you to read the Man Who Laughs. Joesph...? |
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Post by chumped on Feb 8, 2009 1:27:35 GMT -5
Don't go around like you know this stuff Joseph. I'm the one who told you to read the Man Who Laughs. Joesph...? He's talking to me. He recommended me the book a while back. Not that that has anything to do with this thread at all. |
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Post by theforrestgriffin2 on Feb 8, 2009 1:30:15 GMT -5
He's talking to me. He recommended me the book a while back. Oh okay. I was a little lost there. |
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Post by jomoishollywood on Feb 8, 2009 17:30:45 GMT -5
I got the Man Who Laughs, I hate the artwork. It looks really bad compared to The Killing Joke.
For The Killing Joke...
I have a question about the beginning... Where does it take place on the timeline? Who is Batman referring to when he says "Where is he?!"
He's in Arkham, then he is out? Or is it after the events of the comic? I don't understand..
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Post by chumped on Feb 8, 2009 17:42:41 GMT -5
When Batman asks "Where is he?!", he's asking where The Joker is. The Joker that is in the cell is a fake, which is why when Batman touches him, the paint comes off. As for continuity, I don't think it strictly follows any story before it. But you could just assume that it takes place after Batman catches Joker in Man Who Laughs for your screenplay.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 9, 2009 19:58:58 GMT -5
When Batman asks "Where is he?!", he's asking where The Joker is. The Joker that is in the cell is a fake, which is why when Batman touches him, the paint comes off. As for continuity, I don't think it strictly follows any story before it. But you could just assume that it takes place after Batman catches Joker in Man Who Laughs for your screenplay. it actually takes place much, much later than that. Batman hasnt even taken in Robin yet, and Batgirl comes a bit after that. and she was Batgirl for some time before Joker cripples her. Gordon is commissioner in Killing Joke too, which also came later. and Robin is already Nightwing at the time of Killing Joke too. Man Who Laughs takes place very early in Batman's career. Killing Joke takes place much later. |
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Post by chumped on Feb 9, 2009 20:04:02 GMT -5
You're right. I just figure for the purpose of his screenplay, he could have killing joke's events take place after man who laugh's. That way he doesn't have to force in Robin, Bat Girl, etc.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 10, 2009 1:21:38 GMT -5
^ how can you do The Killing Joke without Batgirl though? its really not the same if she's just some girl. and at the time of Man Who Laughs, Barbara wasnt even in Gotham yet. and if i was to guestimate her age, she'd have to be about 14 at that time. and Gordon wasnt known enough at that time that Joker's plan would make sense. he's just a police captain. he wasnt commissioner yet, he wasnt anybody special at that time that Joker would waste the time. the whole point of him shooting Barbara was to screw with Gordon. now i understand what you're saying in reference to his film, but each story takes place way too far apart chronologically. Killing Joke takes place alot closer to A Death in the Family than it does to Man Who Laughs. I was also wondering if it would be believable to have some elements from The Dark night aswell. i forgot to answer this in my first post. definitely not. The Dark Knight, while being a fairly entertaining movie, is so far off from the comics that it should in no way be looked to for any kind of info to further a story from the comics. if you want your film to be comic accurate then dont incorporate anything from any of the Batman movies. Christopher Nolan has never read a Batman comic in his life, so his depictions and backgrounds on all the characters are wrong and are they are just what he wants them to be, not how they are in the comics. |
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Post by jomoishollywood on Feb 10, 2009 4:56:45 GMT -5
Flashbacks, guys.
The Man Who Laughs will be incorporated in with a few flashbacks, that is all.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 10, 2009 18:59:43 GMT -5
I was also wondering if it would be believable to have some elements from The Dark night aswell. i forgot to answer this in my first post. definitely not. The Dark Knight, while being a fairly entertaining movie, is so far off from the comics that it should in no way be looked to for any kind of info to further a story from the comics. if you want your film to be comic accurate then dont incorporate anything from any of the Batman movies. Christopher Nolan has never read a Batman comic in his life, so his depictions and backgrounds on all the characters are wrong and are they are just what he wants them to be, not how they are in the comics. Aren't you being just a little harsh in that kind of swooping "not one thing in the Nolan-verse is even the slightest bit like it is in the comics" statement? |
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 10, 2009 22:19:54 GMT -5
^ its not harsh, its fact. in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, no character is as they are supposed to be, things occur in the wrong order and at the wrong times, and nothing is accurate comic-wise. i'm not bashing the movies, they were entertaining, but they are in no way comic accurate and they are 2 of the least comic accurate movies ever made. thats fact. if you'd like i can prove that statement and show you just how off the movies really are. there's nothing even close to accurate in those movies.
or even better, you tell me what you think was actually comic accurate and i can show you how it wasnt. since you feel i was being harsh and that those movies did have some accuracy to them.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Feb 11, 2009 1:30:18 GMT -5
Just stay away from Lovers and Madmen while you research.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 11, 2009 7:11:27 GMT -5
^ its not harsh, its fact. in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, no character is as they are supposed to be, things occur in the wrong order and at the wrong times, and nothing is accurate comic-wise. i'm not bashing the movies, they were entertaining, but they are in no way comic accurate and they are 2 of the least comic accurate movies ever made. thats fact. if you'd like i can prove that statement and show you just how off the movies really are. there's nothing even close to accurate in those movies. or even better, you tell me what you think was actually comic accurate and i can show you how it wasnt. since you feel i was being harsh and that those movies did have some accuracy to them. I know you're an argumentative little bugger who loves being right, so no matter what point I may or may not bring up you're going to shoot down and then insult my knowledge of comics because clearly I'm just a poser who only got into the medium via "The Dark Knight". But yes, we could, theoretically sit here and nitpick til the cows come home that egads! Bruce Wayne and his folks were supposed to be seeing a production of Zorro before they got shot by Joe Chill. Because clearly, Bruce never witnessed his parents murder at the hands of a man named Joe Chill, because, by your standards, nothing was comic accurate. |
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Post by K5 on Feb 11, 2009 9:20:17 GMT -5
But yes, we could, theoretically sit here and nitpick til the cows come home that egads! Bruce Wayne and his folks were supposed to be seeing a production of Zorro before they got shot by Joe Chill. or how well they captured the dent/batman/gordon relationship dynamics so. |
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 10:29:40 GMT -5
But yes, we could, theoretically sit here and nitpick til the cows come home that egads! Bruce Wayne and his folks were supposed to be seeing a production of Zorro before they got shot by Joe Chill. Because clearly, Bruce never witnessed his parents murder at the hands of a man named Joe Chill, because, by your standards, nothing was comic accurate. oh but in Begins, it was Mefistofele, which is an opera, it was not Zorro. and in the comics Joe Chill wasnt hired by Carmine Falcone to do it, as he was in the movie. so that was not comic accurate at all. |
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 10:49:22 GMT -5
But yes, we could, theoretically sit here and nitpick til the cows come home that egads! Bruce Wayne and his folks were supposed to be seeing a production of Zorro before they got shot by Joe Chill. or how well they captured the dent/batman/gordon relationship dynamics so. you really want to use that as your argument that TDK was comic accurate. lets start with the obvious. Joker had absolutely nothing to do with Dent becoming Two-Face. the lack of Assistant D.A. Fields, the fact that Maroni had nothing to do with Dent becoming Two-Face, the lack of his wife Gilda, and the fact that they made Dent a cop before he became a lawyer further shows that nothing involving Harvey Dent was comic accurate. he meets Gordon at the wrong time as well and under the wrong circumstances. then lets move to the fact that Carmine Falcone was nowhere to be seen in TDK. how do you have Maroni around and not Falcone? then on top of all of that these supposed dynamics you speak of are all based around the character, Rachel Dawes. Dawes never appeared in the comics. she was a character made for the movies. i'm sure you dont want me to keep going. its almost everything. the made up characters is what really screws things up though. Anthony Garcia wasnt a mayor of Gotham in the comics and definitely not at that time in Batman's career. Gordon was not made commissioner by him in the comics. Commissioner Loeb wasnt killed by Joker. Loeb was also caucasian in the comics. and if you really need me to go into all the points that make Batman's origin story in Begins inaccurate, we probaly shouldnt even be having this discussion. honestly guys, you really cant sit and say that those 2 movies were comic accurate. if you think that they accurately depict Batman and related characters, then you dont know, follow, or read Batman related comics. |
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