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Post by K5 on Feb 11, 2009 10:56:32 GMT -5
they accurately depict aspects featured in comics.
and...i more than know, follow, and read batman comics as i've been an avid fan for years. so, you can't conclude otherwise.
even in the comics batman varies from story to story, this is interpretation. nolan simply interpreted the characters to how he wished, but they were constructed from their original comic characters which their basis lies in. this is atleast some kind of comic accuracy. i'm not by any means saying the dark knight was dead on.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 13:02:40 GMT -5
they accurately depict aspects featured in comics. and...i more than know, follow, and read batman comics as i've been an avid fan for years. so, you can't conclude otherwise. even in the comics batman varies from story to story, this is interpretation. nolan simply interpreted the characters to how he wished, but they were constructed from their original comic characters which their basis lies in. this is atleast some kind of comic accuracy. i'm not by any means saying the dark knight was dead on. Batman the character does not vary from story to story. i'm not talking about appearance. i'm talking about actual history of the characters and who they are and what made them. just because a character has the same name and a similiar appearance to their comic counterpart doesnt make them an accurate depiction. how Two-Face was done in the movie was completely inaccurate. Batman being trained by Ra's al Ghul is completely inaccurate. Batman meeting Ra's al Ghul that early is completely inaccurate. Scarecrow working at Arkham is completely inaccurate. Mr. Zsasz working for Carmine Falcone and not being a serial killer who marks his kills on his body is completely inaccurate. Batman meeting Zsasz that early is completely inaccurate. i can keep going, but i think you get the point. Nolan's versions of the characters are in no way related to the comic versions that they are based on. not one character that he has used in his movies even came close to being accurate depictions of the source material. like you said, Nolan just interpreted them how he wished, not how they are supposed to be. its very difficult to accurately depict the source material thats being adapted. Nolan never said that he was depicting a particular story and that he was attempting comic accuracy. he wanted to do things his way and thats what he did and the movies have been quite successful. but there is nothing of accuracy in the movies. because even things that seem to be somewhat accurate arent because of the additions of characters that werent in the source material and replacement of characters that should've been in the movie but werent. and i didnt say that you werent a fan of Batman, but if you honestly believe that Batman Begins and TDK were comic accurate movies than your knowledge of the character is not great. no disrespect intended, but if you think that Ra's al Ghul training Batman, and Lucious Fox knowing who Batman is and helping him, and Two-Face not being made into Two-Face because of Falcone and Maroni, and everything else thats not depicted correctly actually occured in the comics and was an accurate depiction of the source material than its obvious you dont know Batman in the comics.
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Post by K5 on Feb 11, 2009 13:20:26 GMT -5
i agree with you, but i think the one accuracy your missing is the depths of certain characters. two-face's change of character is exactly like from the comics, gordon's shock of his once-friend turned to this beast fits as well, bruce wayne's different personal battles with his own demons, alfred's witticisms and thoughtful comments.
it's not accurate to the story of comics, but to the characters themselves, it features MUCH of their likeness.
i hear ya, though.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 14:32:56 GMT -5
^ i see what you're saying. thats not all Nolan though, thats more the actors doing a good job than the half writer and director.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 11, 2009 18:39:30 GMT -5
I never said they were fully comic accurate, but I wasn't the one who said they were 0% accurate either.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 20:40:19 GMT -5
I never said they were fully comic accurate, but I wasn't the one who said they were 0% accurate either. show me even 1%. not one event or character is depicted as they are in the comics. please prove me wrong. show me a character who is depicted accurately. show me an event that was depicted accurately. even show me something that happened at the right time.
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Post by chumped on Feb 11, 2009 20:58:06 GMT -5
I never said they were fully comic accurate, but I wasn't the one who said they were 0% accurate either. show me even 1%. not one event or character is depicted as they are in the comics. please prove me wrong. show me a character who is depicted accurately. show me an event that was depicted accurately. even show me something that happened at the right time.Batman/Gordon/Dent on the roof. Dent turns around to see that Batman has vanished. Gordon says, "Yeah, he does that." Straight out of TLH.
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Post by Double J on Feb 11, 2009 21:02:11 GMT -5
If Batman's at 0%, that leaves X-Men somewhere in the negatives I think. They actually owe plot points.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 22:37:35 GMT -5
show me even 1%. not one event or character is depicted as they are in the comics. please prove me wrong. show me a character who is depicted accurately. show me an event that was depicted accurately. even show me something that happened at the right time. Batman/Gordon/Dent on the roof. Dent turns around to see that Batman has vanished. Gordon says, "Yeah, he does that." Straight out of TLH. i was hoping someone would try to bring in The Long Halloween. in the comics, they are meeting to discuss bringing down Carmine Falcone. Falcone wasnt even in TDK. in TLH Batman gives Gordon and Dent Falcone's ledger which he had gotten from Falcone's penthouse. in TDK that wasnt the case. also of note is that in TDK that particular scene has absolutely nothing to do with TLH. Gordon is a Lt. in the TDK during that scene. in TLH he is a Captain. that would mean that the timeframe of that scene doesnt match the comics. so like i said its not an accurate depiction of the source material. you said that scene is straight out of TLH, but that scene isnt accurately depicted according to the comics. like i said, because nothing happened in the right order and the characters were drastically altered, it throws everything off. not one character was depicted accurately and not one event was depicted accurately. the events didnt even occur at the right time in Batman's career.
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Post by chumped on Feb 11, 2009 22:48:42 GMT -5
Batman/Gordon/Dent on the roof. Dent turns around to see that Batman has vanished. Gordon says, "Yeah, he does that." Straight out of TLH. i was hoping someone would try to bring in The Long Halloween. in the comics, they are meeting to discuss bringing down Carmine Falcone. Falcone wasnt even in TDK. in TLH Batman gives Gordon and Dent Falcone's ledger which he had gotten from Falcone's penthouse. in TDK that wasnt the case. also of note is that in TDK that particular scene has absolutely nothing to do with TLH. Gordon is a Lt. in the TDK during that scene. in TLH he is a Captain. that would mean that the timeframe of that scene doesnt match the comics. so like i said its not an accurate depiction of the source material. you said that scene is straight out of TLH, but that scene isnt accurately depicted according to the comics. like i said, because nothing happened in the right order and the characters were drastically altered, it throws everything off. not one character was depicted accurately and not one event was depicted accurately. the events didnt even occur at the right time in Batman's career. I wasn't talking about the whole scene, just mentioned the one piece of dialogue that was in the comic and film. Just poking fun at the 1% comment, really.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 11, 2009 23:38:51 GMT -5
^ but the dialogue was inaccurate. it didnt happen at the time it was supposed to. and thats not a depiction from the comics, its a nod to something that happened in the comics. like when they showed Bruce with the scars on him. thats a nod to Alex Ross' work in Batman: Black & White. they're basically like easter eggs.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 12, 2009 6:44:13 GMT -5
You're just nitpicky. You're one of those guys who throws around comments like this just to prove that you're WAY more into comics than anyone else. We get it. You win. Move out of mom's basement.
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Post by T R W on Feb 12, 2009 7:33:02 GMT -5
The fact that he calls himself Batman makes it greater than 0% accurate.
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Post by jlavaia on Feb 12, 2009 10:06:01 GMT -5
^ but the how and when he comes to that name are inaccurate, as is his look, his actions, and everything else about him. and you guys are trying to say that i'm "nitpicky". please dont grasp at straws. the movies arent bad, but they arent accurate. thats all i said. this discussion has been had 100 times. Nolan himself stated that he never read a Batman comic. the nods to the comics come from David Goyer. like i said, not one event or character is depicted accurately. similiar name and appearance doesnt make a character the same. think of these movies like Elseworlds stories.
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Post by PdW2kX on Feb 12, 2009 11:45:02 GMT -5
^ but the how and when he comes to that name are inaccurate, as is his look, his actions, and everything else about him. and you guys are trying to say that i'm "nitpicky". please dont grasp at straws. the movies arent bad, but they arent accurate. thats all i said. this discussion has been had 100 times. Nolan himself stated that he never read a Batman comic. the nods to the comics come from David Goyer. like i said, not one event or character is depicted accurately. similiar name and appearance doesnt make a character the same. think of these movies like Elseworlds stories. That's pretty much how I look at all superhero movies, actually. Different fields of entertainment = different universes. No movie, television show, animated series, animated movie, or anything of the kind will always be 100% accurate in regards to the original source material. Some liberties, however small, are bound to be taken. I'm one of the ones that doesn't really care how accurate a licensed property stays to its roots, so long as they use it well. I mean, my favorite Elseworlds story is the one with Batman becoming an undead vampire that kills everybody. That's probably in the negatives in regards to a percentage of accuracy, but I love it all the same because it took a well-known property and made a good story out of it, albeit one that would never happen in a million years in actual canon.
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Post by T R W on Feb 13, 2009 7:46:02 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't want a 100% comic accurate movie. Hell, DC and Marvel can't even keep their own continuity straight.
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Post by PdW2kX on Feb 13, 2009 15:48:59 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't want a 100% comic accurate movie. Hell, DC and Marvel can't even keep their own continuity straight. Amen, brother. It's like they've got it into their heads that the yearly super-event just isn't quite complete without a sweeping retcon that messes up decades of history.
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