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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Feb 22, 2009 0:39:44 GMT -5
First let me start by saying  the UFC. Namely Dana White. I have no idea what you have against us AKA boys. But really piss off. Just because Jon had questions about your "lifetime" contract you put us on undercards and opening bouts. Immature. Really immature. Secondly about Kos's fight. And the reason you are reading this. Josh was screwed plain and simple. The ref made a horrible stoppage. Kos had his legs up and arm up to prevent ground and pound. And anybody that knows or has watched Kos knows he is at his best when he is on his back. Thiago caught him, yes. Kos recovered, YES. And I hear people saying Kos was a poor sport not going up to the ref and letting Thiago's hand be raised. Well he had a problem with the ref. Did not want to touch the ref because he probably would of hit him in his face. BUT he had no problem with Thiago he went up to him and hugged him after the decision was announced and told him "good fight brother". So please stop saying Kos is immature and stupid and a poor sport. He showed respect to the fighter he fought. He has NO respect for the ref that stopped it early. And Rogan needs to stop being UFC's puppet. He used to voice his opinion. Now he is probably affraid he will loose his job if he speaks against the UFC. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 22, 2009 0:43:26 GMT -5
I agree with everything you just said. No one pays any attention to him showing respect to the fighter. As far as Im concerned KOS shouldnt have shown the ref respect. The ref made a bullcrap call. Just like Brocks disrespect towards Mazz but noone bitches about that... Seriously. KOS got screwed and I honestly dont see why this fight wasnt higher on the card either...
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 22, 2009 0:50:36 GMT -5
Kos has a glazed over look in his eyes. He would have been beaten on. I like Koscheck as much as the next guy, but he was hit very hard twice.
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 22, 2009 0:57:13 GMT -5
Kos has a glazed over look in his eyes. He would have been beaten on. I watched the ending over 3 times in slow mo and still cant see this glazed over look you guys are talking about. Even if he would have been stopped I think the stoppage was too early.. He deserves a chance to atleast try.... Its not that big of a deal really. KOS will be back... |
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 22, 2009 1:01:53 GMT -5
There have been many premature stoppages and guys haven't been disrespectful afterward. Josh was disrespectful and unprofessional here. Win or Lose, you should still be able to contain yourself.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Feb 22, 2009 1:17:29 GMT -5
There have been many premature stoppages and guys haven't been disrespectful afterward. Josh was disrespectful and unprofessional here. Win or Lose, you should still be able to contain yourself. Kos was disrespectful to the man that disrespected him and stopped the fight early. The ref. Not Thiago.How is hugging a man and telling him "good fight brother" disrespectful? His eyes were bobbling around. Yes. Because he just got put on his ass. His eyes were not glazed over. And he WAS STILL DEFENDING HIMSELF. That's all that matters. This was not a Fedor shot on Arlovski. He knocked him on his butt. That was all. |
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Post by [x] TEXACIDE [x] on Feb 22, 2009 1:38:03 GMT -5
I like Koscheck and wanted him to win but I think the right call was made.
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Post by Gonzo Customs on Feb 22, 2009 2:06:45 GMT -5
I respect the fact that you are sticking up for your friend and training partner, and I know you have a vested emotional interest in his fight. I really do. I am a Kos fan, I wanted him to win.
He was out enough that a stoppage was the right call. Sure the ref could have let it go 10 more seconds, he would have gotten hit 4-5 more times and then stopped. Kos's legs were dangling in the air, not defending. There is also a definitive difference in sitting up and falling back down, and sitting up and deciding to lay back down, Kos clearly fell back when he tried to sit up.
I have watched boxing since I was a little kid and UFC since UFC 1 hit video stores. I've seen hundreds of knockouts in boxing and UFC together. I've been knocked silly and had concussions in wrestling and I know the feeling that Kos was going through. Having experienced it myself, and having seen what I have seen over the years, I have no doubts that the ref made a good call.
Enough of the bickering. Take it in your hands to help Kos get back on his feet and take this loss and channel it into his next fight and continue to dominate. This was a fluke loss, it happens to the best. Move on and destroy the next opponent.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Feb 22, 2009 2:09:24 GMT -5
Kos was out cold when he hit the ground, man. That jolt to his head kinda popped him back into reality, but he was not fit to fight by any means. His eyes were ed, and his legs were flailing. He wasn't looking to pull guard or throw up kicks, he was balling up as if his body was saying "WOAH OFF." Not to mention one hand went up in the air like he was waving to some imaginary fairy beside his body. I don't hate Koscheck at all, so this isn't biased. I wanted to see another bad ass knock out like he pulled off against Yoshida... And that's what I got. Being the opening bout is a ing privilege, dude. It's not a slap in the face. Just like wrestling, or anything else really, you need to have an exciting, explosive fight to start the show. Why? Because if you bore the watchers to death with the very first fight, odds are they will flip the channel. So that exes out your second point. If you really think Dana has a vendetta against the AKA guys, then you're just delusional. If he hated them, they wouldn't even be getting fights. The guys are under exclusive contracts. Dana could hold out on offering them fights and they'd be ed, unable to collect a paycheck. Think before you speak go on a delusional biased rant. |
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Post by Sandy on Feb 22, 2009 2:32:13 GMT -5
he was out dude...
I know fans of Kos' didn't want him to lose..hell I was barely becoming a fan of his and I didn't want him to lose..the guy he was fighting was very sloppy and kept dropping his hands...Kos should have knocked him the f*** out. But Kos got caught...it happens.
He will be back though..
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Post by Bruiser Brody on Feb 22, 2009 3:05:01 GMT -5
Judfemant call. I can see it going either way. Kos should have finished.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Feb 22, 2009 3:20:09 GMT -5
Kos was out cold when he hit the ground, man. That jolt to his head kinda popped him back into reality, but he was not fit to fight by any means. His eyes were ed, and his legs were flailing. He wasn't looking to pull guard or throw up kicks, he was balling up as if his body was saying "WOAH OFF." Not to mention one hand went up in the air like he was waving to some imaginary fairy beside his body. I don't hate Koscheck at all, so this isn't biased. I wanted to see another bad ass knock out like he pulled off against Yoshida... And that's what I got. Being the opening bout is a ing privilege, dude. It's not a slap in the face. Just like wrestling, or anything else really, you need to have an exciting, explosive fight to start the show. Why? Because if you bore the watchers to death with the very first fight, odds are they will flip the channel. So that exes out your second point. If you really think Dana has a vendetta against the AKA guys, then you're just delusional. If he hated them, they wouldn't even be getting fights. The guys are under exclusive contracts. Dana could hold out on offering them fights and they'd be ed, unable to collect a paycheck. Think before you speak go on a delusional biased rant. Oh you mean like fire a guy and that guy having to call up Lorenzo to get his job back? You mean like that? Because that's what happened to Jon. And you mean like being in the middle of contract negotiations with the UFC and them telling you "everyone in your camp are heads to work with except Swick." Because that's what happened to me. SO do me a favor and go back to the rock you used to be hiding under before you come and open your mouth about alot of crap you have no idea about. Please. |
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 22, 2009 3:24:23 GMT -5
Oh you mean like fire a guy and that guy having to call up Lorenzo to get his job back? You mean like that? Because that's what happened to Jon. And you mean like being in the middle of contract negotiations with the UFC and them telling you "everyone in your camp are heads to work with except Swick." Because that's what happened to me. SO do me a favor and go back to the rock you used to be hiding under before you come and open your mouth about alot of **** you have no idea about. Please. <3 |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Feb 22, 2009 4:48:26 GMT -5
Kos was out cold when he hit the ground, man. That jolt to his head kinda popped him back into reality, but he was not fit to fight by any means. His eyes were ed, and his legs were flailing. He wasn't looking to pull guard or throw up kicks, he was balling up as if his body was saying "WOAH OFF." Not to mention one hand went up in the air like he was waving to some imaginary fairy beside his body. I don't hate Koscheck at all, so this isn't biased. I wanted to see another bad ass knock out like he pulled off against Yoshida... And that's what I got. Being the opening bout is a ing privilege, dude. It's not a slap in the face. Just like wrestling, or anything else really, you need to have an exciting, explosive fight to start the show. Why? Because if you bore the watchers to death with the very first fight, odds are they will flip the channel. So that exes out your second point. If you really think Dana has a vendetta against the AKA guys, then you're just delusional. If he hated them, they wouldn't even be getting fights. The guys are under exclusive contracts. Dana could hold out on offering them fights and they'd be ed, unable to collect a paycheck. Think before you speak go on a delusional biased rant. Oh you mean like fire a guy and that guy having to call up Lorenzo to get his job back? You mean like that? Because that's what happened to Jon. And you mean like being in the middle of contract negotiations with the UFC and them telling you "everyone in your camp are heads to work with except Swick." Because that's what happened to me. SO do me a favor and go back to the rock you used to be hiding under before you come and open your mouth about alot of **** you have no idea about. Please. What you said didn't address the point I made. If Dana hated them, THEY WOULDN'T BE FIGHTING. They'd be sitting at home waiting to get the call from their manager with their next possible fight. SO you should go back to that little drawing board you used to be standing next to before your open your mouth with another in hollow insult that is absolutely irrelevant to the current conversation. "<3." |
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Feb 22, 2009 7:43:34 GMT -5
Someone sounds bitter.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 22, 2009 9:51:36 GMT -5
Koscheck was done for man. He got dropped and while it may have appeared to you he was defending himself, it looked more like he was out and just flailing away. I agree with the stoppage 100%. The referee made the right call and saved Koscheck from any further punishment. He was out. All there is to it.
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 22, 2009 10:36:44 GMT -5
Oh you mean like fire a guy and that guy having to call up Lorenzo to get his job back? You mean like that? Because that's what happened to Jon. And you mean like being in the middle of contract negotiations with the UFC and them telling you "everyone in your camp are heads to work with except Swick." Because that's what happened to me. SO do me a favor and go back to the rock you used to be hiding under before you come and open your mouth about alot of **** you have no idea about. Please. What you said didn't address the point I made. If Dana hated them, THEY WOULDN'T BE FIGHTING. They'd be sitting at home waiting to get the call from their manager with their next possible fight. SO you should go back to that little drawing board you used to be standing next to before your open your mouth with another in hollow insult that is absolutely irrelevant to the current conversation. "<3." If he would just not give them fights and let their contracts run out because he hated them then why did he not do that to Tito? He HATED Tito but always gave him fights.... |
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Post by PrideFcF on Feb 22, 2009 12:05:59 GMT -5
I seriously think a lot of people didn't watch the fight very closely. Unless you watched the fight on a grainy computer monitor, his eyes were absolutely glazed over when he was hit. I was shouting at how bad I thought the call was too when it initially happened. As the commercial played on, I decided to reserve judgment until I could see the replay. Sure enough, I saw exactly why a referee would have jumped the gun to stop a fight in such a situation.
Basically you have a situation that lies heavily on chance. It was probably just a gut instinct for the ref to see his face and decide it was enough. There are a lot of questions as to if Kos could have survived the round, but you're being a little crazy if you don't see how any fight could be stopped after someone got dropped like that.
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Post by Boquest on Feb 22, 2009 13:29:57 GMT -5
Definitley a hard call. I can see it on both sides, it was a quick stoppage but you could also see where the ref thought it was over. This isnt the first premature stoppage, nor will it be the last, so its hard to really bitch about it.
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Post by DWright on Feb 22, 2009 14:17:08 GMT -5
Oh you mean like fire a guy and that guy having to call up Lorenzo to get his job back? You mean like that? Because that's what happened to Jon. And you mean like being in the middle of contract negotiations with the UFC and them telling you "everyone in your camp are heads to work with except Swick." Because that's what happened to me. SO do me a favor and go back to the rock you used to be hiding under before you come and open your mouth about alot of **** you have no idea about. Please. What you said didn't address the point I made. If Dana hated them, THEY WOULDN'T BE FIGHTING. They'd be sitting at home waiting to get the call from their manager with their next possible fight. SO you should go back to that little drawing board you used to be standing next to before your open your mouth with another in hollow insult that is absolutely irrelevant to the current conversation. "<3." So Dana wouldn't let people fight, that he can make money off, and already has under contract? Yeah, no...that makes perfect sense. |
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