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Post by doogle on Mar 12, 2009 12:43:31 GMT -5
taker/mankind HIAC...not even a match The match went on for another 20 minutes after the bump of the cell. How was it not a match? tell me the moves and how long it took mankind to get up...id be surprised if there were more than 20 moves and mankind more than 5 of them. |
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Post by HugoOne on Mar 12, 2009 14:08:31 GMT -5
The match went on for another 20 minutes after the bump of the cell. How was it not a match? tell me the moves and how long it took mankind to get up...id be surprised if there were more than 20 moves and mankind more than 5 of them. My favorite PPV reviewer put it perfectly. "Arguably your 1998 MOTY for the WWE based on long-term impact and sheer excitement. I don't buy the "well, if you take those two big bumps out" argument. That's like saying that if you take out all the armdrags and chops from Flair/Steamboat it would suck. It's true, but those two big bumps are there, and they are the story of the match." -J.D. Dunn It's not all about the moves, it's about the story of the match too, which Mick Foley is fantastic at telling. |
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Post by doogle on Mar 13, 2009 6:17:26 GMT -5
tell me the moves and how long it took mankind to get up...id be surprised if there were more than 20 moves and mankind more than 5 of them. My favorite PPV reviewer put it perfectly. "Arguably your 1998 MOTY for the WWE based on long-term impact and sheer excitement. I don't buy the "well, if you take those two big bumps out" argument. That's like saying that if you take out all the armdrags and chops from Flair/Steamboat it would suck. It's true, but those two big bumps are there, and they are the story of the match." -J.D. Dunn It's not all about the moves, it's about the story of the match too, which Mick Foley is fantastic at telling. The fact that your debating this makes it overrated |
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Post by HugoOne on Mar 19, 2009 1:26:47 GMT -5
The fact that your debating this makes it overrated Debating something makes it overrated? Every match in the history of the world must be overrated then since not everyone shares the same viewpoint and can debate it. |
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Post by doogle on Mar 19, 2009 8:34:56 GMT -5
The fact that your debating this makes it overrated Debating something makes it overrated? Every match in the history of the world must be overrated then since not everyone shares the same viewpoint and can debate it. Not every match...just the overrated ones. |
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Post by The Tommo on Mar 19, 2009 17:23:57 GMT -5
hogan vs rock
i jus didnt get into it at all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 22:42:46 GMT -5
hogan vs rock i jus didnt get into it at all I'd have to agree with you there, and the fact that even though Hogan put Rock over clean, he still wanted the spotlight to be on him. Pretty sad, I reckon. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Mar 24, 2009 18:17:01 GMT -5
hogan vs rock i jus didnt get into it at all I'd have to agree with you there, and the fact that even though Hogan put Rock over clean, he still wanted the spotlight to be on him. Pretty sad, I reckon. You weren't there live, I was. It was an epic match, really, a passing of the torch and there likely won't be anything like that again. We PUT the spotlight on Hogan, and turned him face. You're welcome. We're wholly responsible, not Hogan's ego. I have no idea how a post-match handshake is 'pretty sad', but whatever, this is coming from a guy who rates garbage like the Sandman highly. That's pretty sad. |
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 24, 2009 18:27:28 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with you there, and the fact that even though Hogan put Rock over clean, he still wanted the spotlight to be on him. Pretty sad, I reckon. You weren't there live, I was. It was an epic match, really, a passing of the torch and there likely won't be anything like that again. We PUT the spotlight on Hogan, and turned him face. You're welcome. We're wholly responsible, not Hogan's ego. you guys cost WWE a lot of money for making them believe everyone still cared about Hogan and that he was a viable draw as a babyface champion. |
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Post by DKR on Mar 24, 2009 18:29:38 GMT -5
Overrated? Anything Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit. I found both to be boring, Benoit more so.
They died and some how their matches became the best thing since water.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 24, 2009 18:38:10 GMT -5
Overrated? Anything Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit. I found both to be boring, Benoit more so. They died and some how their matches became the best thing since water. feel free to call them overrated, i think you're wrong but i don't care. what bothers me is you suggesting that nobody cared about their matches before they died. are you  ing kidding me? there's a reason why they're both former world champions, and it's because everyone knew they were the best. unfortunatly benoit pissed away all of my respect for him, but he was a hell of a wrestler as was eddie. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 18:49:46 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with you there, and the fact that even though Hogan put Rock over clean, he still wanted the spotlight to be on him. Pretty sad, I reckon. You weren't there live, I was. It was an epic match, really, a passing of the torch and there likely won't be anything like that again. We PUT the spotlight on Hogan, and turned him face. You're welcome. We're wholly responsible, not Hogan's ego. I have no idea how a post-match handshake is 'pretty sad', but whatever, this is coming from a guy who rates garbage like the Sandman highly. That's pretty sad. Oh dear...Dearie, dearie me. It does not matter that I wasn't there live, I saw the match, I know what I like, I know what I don't like, and I believe it was overrated. Canadians have a history of cheering the heel and booing the face, I have nothing against that, but in this match, it was almost done to make the match seem much 'bigger' than it was. So, every match Hogan loses at WrestleMania, he has to do the handshake as his own version of 'sportsmanship', so that it is preordained by the Canadian people?  Done right, the post-match handshake is an excellent display of sportsmanship, but if you're Hogan, it comes across TO ME as 'Hey, I may have lost, but this thing's still about me, brother.' As for having a go at me for liking ECW and using that against me...The very definition of 'pretty sad'. Oh, that and using the name of a character in a book like 'American Psycho' to convince the people on this board (and probably yourself) that you're a pretty cool, hip and 'with-it' guy. Doesn't come across that way to me. Sad to say. |
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Mar 24, 2009 19:02:59 GMT -5
You weren't there live, I was. It was an epic match, really, a passing of the torch and there likely won't be anything like that again. We PUT the spotlight on Hogan, and turned him face. You're welcome. We're wholly responsible, not Hogan's ego. I have no idea how a post-match handshake is 'pretty sad', but whatever, this is coming from a guy who rates garbage like the Sandman highly. That's pretty sad. Oh dear...Dearie, dearie me. It does not matter that I wasn't there live, I saw the match, I know what I like, I know what I don't like, and I believe it was overrated. Canadians have a history of cheering the heel and booing the face, I have nothing against that, but in this match, it was almost done to make the match seem much 'bigger' than it was. So, every match Hogan loses at WrestleMania, he has to do the handshake as his own version of 'sportsmanship', so that it is preordained by the Canadian people? Done right, the post-match handshake is an excellent display of sportsmanship, but if you're Hogan, it comes across TO ME as 'Hey, I may have lost, but this thing's still about me, brother.' As for having a go at me for liking ECW and using that against me...The very definition of 'pretty sad'. Oh, that and using the name of a character in a book like 'American Psycho' to convince the people on this board (and probably yourself) that you're a pretty cool, hip and 'with-it' guy. Doesn't come across that way to me. Sad to say. I bet you're the person that smited me, too. Very sad that people can't even accept Hogan symbolically passing the torch to the Rock (and jobbing in the rematch), as an act of good faith. No, that evil Hulkster must have some ulterior motive. Oh, and what's this? We're going to blame Hulk Hogan for his handshake with the Ultimate Warrior now, too? As if its somehow Hogan's fault for the Warrior crashing his own career, and ruining his title reign with disinterest and no-showings? What's next, Hogan raped your mother? And you're right, I use 'American Psycho' to portray myself as an online, internet hipster. Just like you use your ECW sigs and avatars to portray yourself as a basement dwelling loser hung up on a company that ended years ago. you guys cost WWE a lot of money for making them believe everyone still cared about Hogan and that he was a viable draw as a babyface champion. You're right, because the Hulkamania shirts weren't hot sellers all over again. And we created a facade where the world pretended to like Hulk Hogan, nevermind that people still watch shows like Brooke Knows Best, and Celebrity Championship Wrestling. The name "Hulk Hogan" must have nothing to do with that at all. He's a smart businessman, he knew how to succeed in the wrestling business. That's why he's not a Ric Flair, who needs money working the independents on the side, or a Jake Roberts. And he may not have been a viable draw as a "babyface champion", but he did a solid job of putting people like Lance Storm, Christian, Brock Lesnar, the Rock and Kurt Angle over cleanly. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 19:33:50 GMT -5
Oh dear...Dearie, dearie me. It does not matter that I wasn't there live, I saw the match, I know what I like, I know what I don't like, and I believe it was overrated. Canadians have a history of cheering the heel and booing the face, I have nothing against that, but in this match, it was almost done to make the match seem much 'bigger' than it was. So, every match Hogan loses at WrestleMania, he has to do the handshake as his own version of 'sportsmanship', so that it is preordained by the Canadian people? Done right, the post-match handshake is an excellent display of sportsmanship, but if you're Hogan, it comes across TO ME as 'Hey, I may have lost, but this thing's still about me, brother.' As for having a go at me for liking ECW and using that against me...The very definition of 'pretty sad'. Oh, that and using the name of a character in a book like 'American Psycho' to convince the people on this board (and probably yourself) that you're a pretty cool, hip and 'with-it' guy. Doesn't come across that way to me. Sad to say. I bet you're the person that smited me, too. Very sad that people can't even accept Hogan symbolically passing the torch to the Rock (and jobbing in the rematch), as an act of good faith. No, that evil Hulkster must have some ulterior motive. Oh, and what's this? We're going to blame Hulk Hogan for his handshake with the Ultimate Warrior now, too? As if its somehow Hogan's fault for the Warrior crashing his own career, and ruining his title reign with disinterest and no-showings? What's next, Hogan raped your mother? And you're right, I use 'American Psycho' to portray myself as an online, internet hipster. Just like you use your ECW sigs and avatars to portray yourself as a basement dwelling loser hung up on a company that ended years ago. you guys cost WWE a lot of money for making them believe everyone still cared about Hogan and that he was a viable draw as a babyface champion. You're right, because the Hulkamania shirts weren't hot sellers all over again. And we created a facade where the world pretended to like Hulk Hogan, nevermind that people still watch shows like Brooke Knows Best, and Celebrity Championship Wrestling. The name "Hulk Hogan" must have nothing to do with that at all. He's a smart businessman, he knew how to succeed in the wrestling business. That's why he's not a Ric Flair, who needs money working the independents on the side, or a Jake Roberts. And he may not have been a viable draw as a "babyface champion", but he did a solid job of putting people like Lance Storm, Christian, Brock Lesnar, the Rock and Kurt Angle over cleanly. ...You'd bet on that...and you'd be wrong. Way wrong. I don't care for the karma thing, that's not why I'm here. But I digress... You do understand that people will interpret what they want to within this whole 'business' of pro wrestling, and because of this, it does not mean I have to agree with The One True Wrestling Crowd That Believes Hogan Can Do No Wrong. As I said before, it's how it comes across TO ME, I never said I was 100% right, but by that logic, you're no closer to being right either, so what do do? Duh...I dunno... So what's this now? Ulterior motives in wrestling? Wouldn't be the first time the phrase has ever come up, but regardless of that, the act of Hogan putting over The Rock should have been done in line with the principles of how matches work (boo the heels, cheer the faces) Oh, but whatever. You're busy now thinking my line of thought is the reason that the Ultimate Warrior is such a nutjob. Raped my mother? Nice mental picture there, thank you Patrick. Seeing as how you're an 'American Psycho' and all... You do not even know. I probably don't know what 'American Psycho' means to you, but ECW is something that I enjoyed, and it died on the 7th Jan 01. But guess what? Oh what's that? You're too petty to guess? Fine, I'll tell you then. I moved on, and life did too. I keep the sig and avatar as a symbol of what wrestling meant to me, irrespective of not being 'big-time' and 'major-league' or anything synonomous with the evils of Titan. So, after you tried to feed the cat to the ATM, did you resort to going to dwelling in the basement? And then tried to put that on me? What's that word again? Oh, that's it. SAD.  |
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Post by missedgehead on Mar 24, 2009 19:41:37 GMT -5
Mine is Hart/HBK at Mania 12. 50 minutes of filler. 12 minutes of action. Match put me to sleep and it was neither of the two guys' best matches, IMO
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Mar 24, 2009 19:43:43 GMT -5
3NWPro, All stupidity and online name bashing aside, if you look at wrestling as a career, and look at Hulk Hogan as a worker/employee.. do you not think he has done very well for himself? Especially from a purely financial standpoint where you work to make money. It's what seperates him from people like Roberts, and Flair... the latter whom I love, he's my favorite of all time, but he continually prostitutes himself. I just want you to accept that, while, his nature may have been selfish at one time, he is the guy that -- at one point -- put Billy Kidman over. And yes, after I put the cat in the ATM, I continued dwelling in the basement. Come hang out some time.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 20:15:19 GMT -5
Patrick, I appreciate you coming forward and wanting to end the bickering between us; I'd like to offer an apology if I was out of line, I was just merely stating how I feel about the situation. I understand why Hogan is where he is, I cannot deny for one second that he perhaps the most famous wrestler of all time, alongside Flair, who like you, has to be one of my favourites of all time. My stance was purely that as I watched the match, it seemed to go against what I held dear about wrestling, but please don't think for one second that I was continuing 'fighting' with you to appear like a 'holier-than-thou indy mark', because I'm not, I assure you. I agree Flair 'prostitutes' himself, and has not had the best luck in his career past his prime, Hogan admittedly casts a longer shadow, and crossed over into the mainstream in a more solid way than Flair. To me, as an individual, who grew up watching Hogan, but at the age of 26 can voice his opinion on Hogan performing in one isolated match, that's just my opinion, and I do accept that his nature has been selfish throughout the years, and yes, put over Billy Kidman, he also jobbed in Japan while teaming with Stan Hansen, but in '02, in the WWE, that's how I saw it. Again, much appreciated. Come to think of it, I will hang out, maybe we can watch some ECW? |
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