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Post by yankeesforever on Mar 27, 2009 9:49:25 GMT -5
I was watching the Off The Record show with Hogan in it , and he said in the WWE there no such thing as a good wrestler , there's a good entertainer and adds that a good wrestler is in NCAA's and a guy like Kurt Angle whose won medals . No Hulk , there is such thing as a great wrestlers in the WWE . I understand he made the WWE what is today but just because you can't do anything but a leg drop don't down grade guys like HBK , Bret Hart , Y2J , Steamboat , Beniot, Rey Mysterio etc.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 27, 2009 9:54:21 GMT -5
well he is half right. Real wrestlers are NCAA wrestlers. Now there are a few that went on to the WWE, Angle, Benjamin, Lesnar....and then you have some of those that are great technical wrestlers like Bret Hart, Dean Malenko. But guys like HBK, Jericho, Mysterio....they are nothing but entertainers. Thats what makes wrestling great, its such a wide variety of things that can make a good wrestler. Hogan was a great entertainer, his way was showmanships, where as someone like Rey does it with crazy high flying moves, but neither were great wrestlers like Angle or Lesnar
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Post by marino13 on Mar 27, 2009 10:14:08 GMT -5
Hogan likes to talk a lot. I sure he'll say he invented wrestling. Cause he did invent airplanes and sidewalks and trees!
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Post by man on Mar 27, 2009 12:13:46 GMT -5
He's right though. Most of the "technical wrestlers" are overated. One doesn't go into Pro Wrestling to be a "wrestler". You go into Pro Wrestling to be an entertainer. That's is a FACT and there is no argument to be made. You want to be considered technical then you need to prove yourself in a sport competition, like Angle and Lesnar.
What has Bret Hart done as far as actual wrestling goes? What about Steamboat and Flair? What have they ACTUALLY done as a competetive wrestling sport to be considered "great wrestlers"? Nothing! At least Angle, Lesnar, and I guess the Iron Sheik can actually claim to be "wrestlers".
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Mar 27, 2009 12:42:17 GMT -5
He's right though. Most of the "technical wrestlers" are overated. One doesn't go into Pro Wrestling to be a "wrestler". You go into Pro Wrestling to be an entertainer. That's is a FACT and there is no argument to be made. You want to be considered technical then you need to prove yourself in a sport competition, like Angle and Lesnar. What has Bret Hart done as far as actual wrestling goes? What about Steamboat and Flair? What have they ACTUALLY done as a competetive wrestling sport to be considered "great wrestlers"? Nothing! At least Angle, Lesnar, and I guess the Iron Sheik can actually claim to be "wrestlers". Well he ACTUALLY was on his high school wrestling team and he ACTUALLY won city titles. And he ACTUALLY came in second in the commonwealth championships only to loose to a future gold medalist. I think that would ACTUALLY qualify him because he could of ACTUALLY gone on to become an Olympian if he had chosen that route. How about that? ![>:(](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/angry.gif)
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Mar 27, 2009 12:46:11 GMT -5
He's right though. Most of the "technical wrestlers" are overated. One doesn't go into Pro Wrestling to be a "wrestler". You go into Pro Wrestling to be an entertainer. That's is a FACT and there is no argument to be made. You want to be considered technical then you need to prove yourself in a sport competition, like Angle and Lesnar. What has Bret Hart done as far as actual wrestling goes? What about Steamboat and Flair? What have they ACTUALLY done as a competetive wrestling sport to be considered "great wrestlers"? Nothing! At least Angle, Lesnar, and I guess the Iron Sheik can actually claim to be "wrestlers". Well he ACTUALLY was on his high school wrestling team and he ACTUALLY won city titles. And he ACTUALLY came in second in the commonwealth championships only to loose to a future gold medalist. I think that would ACTUALLY qualify him because he could of ACTUALLY gone on to become an Olympian if he had chosen that route. How about that? ![>:(](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/angry.gif) well said
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Post by DontHassleTheHoff on Mar 27, 2009 12:59:48 GMT -5
Shelton Benjamin....nuff said, If he wants to talk about actual wrestling ability, which i dont think he has any place to critic seeing as he is an entertainer, there are still WWE superstars who achieve well in amature wrestling before entering Pro Wrestling, some names that spring to mind are Benjamin, Haas and Jack Swagger.
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Post by layton on Mar 27, 2009 13:40:44 GMT -5
He's right though. Most of the "technical wrestlers" are overated. One doesn't go into Pro Wrestling to be a "wrestler". You go into Pro Wrestling to be an entertainer. That's is a FACT and there is no argument to be made. You want to be considered technical then you need to prove yourself in a sport competition, like Angle and Lesnar. What has Bret Hart done as far as actual wrestling goes? What about Steamboat and Flair? What have they ACTUALLY done as a competetive wrestling sport to be considered "great wrestlers"? Nothing! At least Angle, Lesnar, and I guess the Iron Sheik can actually claim to be "wrestlers". Well he ACTUALLY was on his high school wrestling team and he ACTUALLY won city titles. And he ACTUALLY came in second in the commonwealth championships only to loose to a future gold medalist. I think that would ACTUALLY qualify him because he could of ACTUALLY gone on to become an Olympian if he had chosen that route. How about that? ![>:(](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/angry.gif) I do not care of you are right in what you say about Bret Hart; I cannot take this seriously because your name is "Bret_Hart_Mark" and you just got so defensive and BOLD AND CAPSED actually so many times. I think you should settle down. A lot.
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Post by carly1988 on Mar 27, 2009 13:46:36 GMT -5
Do people not understand the difference between a Wrestler and an Entertainer and the different levels of these two types of athletes?
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Post by man on Mar 27, 2009 14:27:40 GMT -5
OOOOH! A High School wrestling team!!! What a f*cking accomplishment! LMAO! The point Hogan made still stands. Bret never did anything worth noting as a "wrestler". Bret was an entertainer. Period! Heck, Hogan was in a "rock band" that was "very popular" and got all kinds of attention back in the day. Does this mean we should also credit him as a great musician?! LMAO! Your argument is a f*cking joke! ![8-)](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/cool.gif)
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Post by layton on Mar 27, 2009 14:36:33 GMT -5
well he is half right. Real wrestlers are NCAA wrestlers. Now there are a few that went on to the WWE, Angle, Benjamin, Lesnar....and then you have some of those that are great technical wrestlers like Bret Hart, Dean Malenko. But guys like HBK, Jericho, Mysterio....they are nothing but entertainers. Thats what makes wrestling great, its such a wide variety of things that can make a good wrestler. Hogan was a great entertainer, his way was showmanships, where as someone like Rey does it with crazy high flying moves, but neither were great wrestlers like Angle or Lesnar Yet they are referred to as amateurs, while those in the WWE are referred to as professionals. Interesting.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 27, 2009 15:05:36 GMT -5
well he is half right. Real wrestlers are NCAA wrestlers. Now there are a few that went on to the WWE, Angle, Benjamin, Lesnar....and then you have some of those that are great technical wrestlers like Bret Hart, Dean Malenko. But guys like HBK, Jericho, Mysterio....they are nothing but entertainers. Thats what makes wrestling great, its such a wide variety of things that can make a good wrestler. Hogan was a great entertainer, his way was showmanships, where as someone like Rey does it with crazy high flying moves, but neither were great wrestlers like Angle or Lesnar Yet they are referred to as amateurs, while those in the WWE are referred to as professionals. Interesting. Yeah i never understood that either. Maybe b/c in WWE you make good money? idk. But for once Hogan is right and it makes sense.
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Post by austin209 on Mar 27, 2009 15:06:18 GMT -5
hogan is a bitter old man
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Mar 28, 2009 2:03:49 GMT -5
Yeah because clearly a guy who names himself after some nimrod who got caught yelling at his daughter ON TAPE is sooooo much more serious than the rest of us. "What has Bret Hart done as far as actual wrestling goes?"That was your question/statement. As if the man just woke up one morning after not doing a damn thing and asked daddy if he could be in his promotion. I'm sick of people like you on this board diminishing anything that an athlete does. BTW being on ANY level of athletic sports and being the best at it IS an accomplishment. But I doubt many people on this board would know that or they wouldn't be talking half the crap that they do. And yes I would give Hogan some credit as being a musician. Unless you can play an instrument, get in front of a crowd, and have people want to see more of your musical skills STFU! Unless you sack up and get out there and do it yourself, you shouldn't be diminishing anyone who DOES do it. That's not to say that you can't have an opinion on how well/horrible they are at it. We all got our own tastes. But to just disregard any accomplishment is just being jealous, and hateful. Kinda like your response to my post. ![;)](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/wink.gif)
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Post by LA Times on Mar 28, 2009 9:00:05 GMT -5
well he is half right. Real wrestlers are NCAA wrestlers. Now there are a few that went on to the WWE, Angle, Benjamin, Lesnar....and then you have some of those that are great technical wrestlers like Bret Hart, Dean Malenko. But guys like HBK, Jericho, Mysterio....they are nothing but entertainers. Thats what makes wrestling great, its such a wide variety of things that can make a good wrestler. Hogan was a great entertainer, his way was showmanships, where as someone like Rey does it with crazy high flying moves, but neither were great wrestlers like Angle or Lesnar Yet they are referred to as amateurs, while those in the WWE are referred to as professionals. Interesting. Because the word "professional" refers to a job where they get paid, just like professional baseball player.
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