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Post by J12 on Jun 2, 2009 16:35:12 GMT -5
Paul Heyman is one of the most brilliant minds in professional wrestling, bar none. He isn't overrated by any means.
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Post by lancewiget on Jun 2, 2009 16:43:42 GMT -5
Paul Heyman is great and deserves all the praise he gets, unless Paul is running finances... which is the main response in this thread.
Booking-wise... he can run any company to the top.
Finance-wise... there are a lot of people better than him.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 2, 2009 16:52:14 GMT -5
I think he's awesome.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jun 2, 2009 17:03:50 GMT -5
Very overrated. Ran a company into the ground and didn't know how to manage money and screwed his talent out of money. 100% Agreed. He did worse than Bischoff with WCW, but yet Heyman still gets praised like a wrestling promotion God. His company got bought out by Vince; just like WCW did, but yet it never gets talked about how phucked-up, and mismanaged ECW was. Paul Heyman was able to create starts. His company suffered because it hadn't enough money. If Heyman would have been the WCW President instead of Bischoff, maybe WCW would still be here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 17:16:53 GMT -5
as a businessman one of the worst the industry has ever seen.
but a creative genius.
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Post by CBT on Jun 2, 2009 17:18:03 GMT -5
Lets remind those that tuned in late... this isn't Paul Heyman strictly ECW's founder and creator. This is Paul Heyman on commentary in the absence of Jerry the King Lawler. This is Paul Heyman the manager who has also been General Manager of Smackdown, helping to make many talents, Brock Lesnar for one. This is also Paul Heyman in Creative who helped make Smackdown #1 back in 2003.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2009 17:30:32 GMT -5
Anyone who disputes Heymans ability to book, please don't bring up the monetary stuff just because obviously he wasn't that great at it and really that's hard in-it-of-itself, go out and book an actual wrestling promotion and see if you can captivate the fans the way he did. Al speaks the truth yet again...To see Heyman as a manager in the NWA, and then to take pro wrestling to places we've not seen since and influence bigger companies (only for them to shed the ideas once they've won) is a testament to just how great a mind in the business he is... To take someone's flaws/negatives and extenuate the positives, rather than saddle them with a worthless gimmick and hope that it gets over is just amazing... Paul E. is awesome and deserves all the praise  |
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Post by dakotadave on Jun 2, 2009 17:52:09 GMT -5
100% Agreed. He did worse than Bischoff with WCW, but yet Heyman still gets praised like a wrestling promotion God. His company got bought out by Vince; just like WCW did, but yet it never gets talked about how phucked-up, and mismanaged ECW was. Paul Heyman was able to create starts. His company suffered because it hadn't enough money. If Heyman would have been the WCW President instead of Bischoff, maybe WCW would still be here. No it wouldn't have. He would've ran WCW into the shitter faster on his own doing and not Ted Turner's and or AOL/Time-Warner's. |
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Post by v/\v on Jun 2, 2009 17:52:38 GMT -5
Genius.
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Post by BulletV1 on Jun 2, 2009 18:07:36 GMT -5
As a creative person he owns. As a business man he sucks.
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Post by S on Jun 2, 2009 18:16:15 GMT -5
I think he isn't as respected as he should be... far from it
He's one of the people i'd have on my 'ideal creative writing team' which consists of
Paul Heyman
Jake Roberts
Lance Storm
Raven
Bubba Ray Dudley
Mick Foley
(i know the last three may seem quite odd, but if you look at any of their shoots or interviews, you cant deny that they have a great business sense when it comes to wrestling)
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jun 2, 2009 18:22:38 GMT -5
He's possibly the best booker in wrestling history, the fact that he's awful with money (which is odd considering his heritage  ) doesn't change that fact Look at what he did with OVW, those of us fortunate enough to watch it while he was at the helm can back me up when I say it was miles better than what WWE or TNA was putting out at the time. It was captivating what he did. If we could get a wrestling company booked by him and the merchandising side could be handled by Vince that would be the greatest wrestling promotion ever |
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 2, 2009 18:22:47 GMT -5
ECW didn't get bought out by WWE either. They went under and months later WWE bought the rights to them.
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Post by Wuffles on Jun 2, 2009 18:25:18 GMT -5
The man is a genius.
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Post by samsson on Jun 2, 2009 18:32:45 GMT -5
I think he's a little over-rated. I'm not a fan of hard-core, blood, and guts in wrestling. I am also not a fan of gymnastic, high-flying wrestling either.  If it wasn't for Paul we might had never seen Beniot, Malenko, Taz, Taijari and alot of the other smaller wrestlers here in the states. The way he booked he made all of these guys REALLY believable and made it so you didn't think/need every STAR to be 6'7'' 270 lbs to be feared !!! |
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Post by dakotadave on Jun 2, 2009 19:45:09 GMT -5
I think he's a little over-rated. I'm not a fan of hard-core, blood, and guts in wrestling. I am also not a fan of gymnastic, high-flying wrestling either. If it wasn't for Paul we might had never seen Beniot, Malenko, Taz, Taijari and alot of the other smaller wrestlers here in the states. The way he booked he made all of these guys REALLY believable and made it so you didn't think/need every STAR to be 6'7'' 270 lbs to be feared !!! Whatever! Paul Heyman was not the end all, be all of the wrestling business. Wrestling was/is better without hardcore and gymnastic wrestling. Those wrestlers you mentioned would've made it into the business with or without Heyman. |
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Post by The Dude on Jun 2, 2009 20:48:20 GMT -5
I LOVE Paul Heyman, all his storylines are golden.
I would love to see him booking again.
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Post by King Silva on Jun 2, 2009 20:50:57 GMT -5
He is okay but I wouldn't call him great.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jun 2, 2009 21:01:34 GMT -5
I like Paul E. I think that he really did something innovative with ECW. I mean before him to my knowledge there was no Tables Matches, Barbwire (basically any hardcore match). I mean think about it. He's helped some of the biggest the buisness has ever seen become what they are today ex: Stone Cold Steve Austin, Rob Van Dam, The Dudleys, Taz (just to name a few). I think the fact he couldn't handle money well was his problem.
Paul E. deserves all the credit he gets and is not overated at all. I enjoy his work and hope to see it again someday
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jun 2, 2009 21:12:12 GMT -5
If it wasn't for Paul we might had never seen Beniot, Malenko, Taz, Taijari and alot of the other smaller wrestlers here in the states. The way he booked he made all of these guys REALLY believable and made it so you didn't think/need every STAR to be 6'7'' 270 lbs to be feared !!! Whatever! Paul Heyman was not the end all, be all of the wrestling business. Wrestling was/is better without hardcore and gymnastic wrestling. Those wrestlers you mentioned would've made it into the business with or without Heyman. Yeah, in Japan. The only breaks any of those guys were getting were on Japanese tours. It would've taken them YEARS to get into America. Heyman sped that process up and gave them exactly what they needed to get signed to a big company. Just because you don't like Heyman doesn't mean you can deny what he did for wrestling. If it wasn't for Heyman wrestling wouldn't have even evolved. If you think wrestling should've stayed the way it was, you're nuts because it would've died. Heyman had the best of everything, which he didn't even discover, he just brought it to America. Japan had been doing the hardcore thing for about 2 years or so before Heyman. That being said, Heyman is talented enough to do the Katie Vick angle and make it watchable. |
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