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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 19, 2009 3:38:07 GMT -5
The Hitman was never my cup of tea, but he did something Sting never did and thats mainevent Wrestlemania. Sting was amazing, but he wasted the past decade of his career playing in the minors. Funny... I never remember the "minors" almost putting the "big leagues" out of business? WCW failed because of corporate reshuffling, and it killed itself. WWF was almost taken down by WCW when they were TRYING not to. Calling WCW the minors either means you weren't watching wrestling in 1997/1998, or you're just blindly loyal to the teat of Vincent K. McMahon. I do agree that it does suck that Sting never got to main event a Wrestlemania, but he did his fair share of main eventing Starrcade, and that Sting-Hogan match (while horrible in the delivery), was probably the most well built match of the Monday Night Wars from either company (with only the first Austin-McMahon match being a possiblity against it).
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Post by June on Jul 19, 2009 6:31:33 GMT -5
The Hitman was never my cup of tea, but he did something Sting never did and thats mainevent Wrestlemania. Sting was amazing, but he wasted the past decade of his career playing in the minors. Funny... I never remember the "minors" almost putting the "big leagues" out of business? WCW failed because of corporate reshuffling, and it killed itself. WWF was almost taken down by WCW when they were TRYING not to. Calling WCW the minors either means you weren't watching wrestling in 1997/1998, or you're just blindly loyal to the teat of Vincent K. McMahon. I do agree that it does suck that Sting never got to main event a Wrestlemania, but he did his fair share of main eventing Starrcade, and that Sting-Hogan match (while horrible in the delivery), was probably the most well built match of the Monday Night Wars from either company (with only the first Austin-McMahon match being a possiblity against it). I was not referring to WCW when I said the minors, I was referring to Sting first sitting at home collecting money once WCW shut down and then wrestling for World Wrestling All-Stars and eventually his career wasting run in TNA. Sting also dropped the ball big time at the biggest match of his career against Hogan, but I'm not opening that can of worms.
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Post by perilloboy123 on Jul 19, 2009 6:41:20 GMT -5
Bret Hart.
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Post by The Dude on Jul 19, 2009 13:36:29 GMT -5
Sting has had a better career then anybody. He recently held the TNA belt for about 6 months, and his legacy is flawless. He's just under rated because he's never sold out to WWE. People also seem to forget about the god that was Surfer Sting. Really he did? And that's your reason why? Sting had a better wrestling career than Ric Flair? I don't think so. I think Bret and Sting's career were about even in my eyes. One may have had a slightly better career than the other but fairly even. However, Bret has left a better legacy and was the better wrestler.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 19, 2009 19:50:04 GMT -5
Sting has had a better career then anybody. He recently held the TNA belt for about 6 months, and his legacy is flawless. He's just under rated because he's never sold out to WWE. People also seem to forget about the god that was Surfer Sting. Really he did? And that's your reason why? Sting had a better wrestling career than Ric Flair? I don't think so. I think Bret and Sting's career were about even in my eyes. One may have had a slightly better career than the other but fairly even. However, Bret has left a better legacy and was the better wrestler. I don't see how Bret's left a better legacy at all. He's bitter, and he's disdainful about the wrestling business. Sting's trying to continue helping make stars. Also.. while both men are held in high regard by other wrestlers, Sting doesn't really have enemies like Bret does. And while Bret MAY be a better wrestler (depending on who you ask), almost anyone would tell you Sting has more charisma and is better at interviews (although Bret's run on the stick with the Hart Foundation stable was gold). Funny... I never remember the "minors" almost putting the "big leagues" out of business? WCW failed because of corporate reshuffling, and it killed itself. WWF was almost taken down by WCW when they were TRYING not to. Calling WCW the minors either means you weren't watching wrestling in 1997/1998, or you're just blindly loyal to the teat of Vincent K. McMahon. I do agree that it does suck that Sting never got to main event a Wrestlemania, but he did his fair share of main eventing Starrcade, and that Sting-Hogan match (while horrible in the delivery), was probably the most well built match of the Monday Night Wars from either company (with only the first Austin-McMahon match being a possiblity against it). I was not referring to WCW when I said the minors, I was referring to Sting first sitting at home collecting money once WCW shut down and then wrestling for World Wrestling All-Stars and eventually his career wasting run in TNA. Sting also dropped the ball big time at the biggest match of his career against Hogan, but I'm not opening that can of worms. I don't see how he's wasting his career in TNA. He's continuing to main event Pay Per Views, he's on a high rated cable show each week, and we're getting to see some "dream match' scenarios that we didn't think we'd ever see (Sting/Angle for instance.. Sting/Joe, etc.). I don't know how TNA could use him better honestly. He's kept strong, so on the occassion that he loses, it's a bit deal. Makes sense to me, and doesn't hurt his legacy one bit. Sting didn't drop the ball in the Starrcade match, Nick Patrick (and whoever injected Bret Hart into the finish) dropped the ball. There was no reason for Bret to be there, and no reason for that finish. Sting should've trounced Hogan from pillar to post.. and then post match, Bret could've debuted to start a Sting-Bret title program (which at the time was one of those "dream match we never thought we'd see" scenarios). But blah.. I agree that Sting's biggest match was screwy.. just wasn't HIS fault.
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Post by June on Jul 19, 2009 21:44:03 GMT -5
I see your point, Sting is maineventing PPV's that nobody see's and him having that dream match against Joe is so much better than an encounter with the Undertaker, or maybe HBK, or John Cena, or The Rock, or Steve Austin without the Stunning moniker, or what about a Sting vs Mankind HIAC, or against Kane in a boiler room brawl, Sting vs Vince, Sing taking on Triple H and also feuding the other members of Evolution (Flair, Orton & Batista), Sting battling Brock Lesnar, or Goldberg with decent booking, Sting against Edge, or Sting vs Jericho, or Sting against Angle when he was not a shell of his former self? Sting never took part in the Invasion angle, but thank god he was a part of the Mainevent Mafia.
It is not Sting's fault that he did not show up to work at Starrcade and was not in shape to take the torch from Hogan and sucked the life out of that match by being on drugs and in poor cardial vascular condition, that damn Nick Patrick is just as bad as the dreaded Danny Davis!
I guess I'll sit back now and dream about Sting vs Jeremy Borash in a Clockwork Orange House of Fun match..
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 20, 2009 3:17:35 GMT -5
I see your point, Sting is maineventing PPV's that nobody see's and him having that dream match against Joe is so much better than an encounter with the Undertaker, or maybe HBK, or John Cena, or The Rock, or Steve Austin without the Stunning moniker, or what about a Sting vs Mankind HIAC, or against Kane in a boiler room brawl, Sting vs Vince, Sing taking on Triple H and also feuding the other members of Evolution (Flair, Orton & Batista), Sting battling Brock Lesnar, or Goldberg with decent booking, Sting against Edge, or Sting vs Jericho, or Sting against Angle when he was not a shell of his former self? Sting never took part in the Invasion angle, but thank god he was a part of the Mainevent Mafia. It is not Sting's fault that he did not show up to work at Starrcade and was not in shape to take the torch from Hogan and sucked the life out of that match by being on drugs and in poor cardial vascular condition, that damn Nick Patrick is just as bad as the dreaded Danny Davis! I guess I'll sit back now and dream about Sting vs Jeremy Borash in a Clockwork Orange House of Fun match.. Lol.. wow. Alright... I didn't say I wouldn't mind seeing Sting have a run in the WWE, but I would say that matching him up against AJ, Joe, Daniels, Abyss, and Angle (the highest profile five he hadn't fought yet) is interesting. And while I'd mark as hard as anyone else for the Stinger vs. Triple H, Randy Orton, HBK, Undertaker, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho (as a maineventer), and even Kane or Batista.. I also mark out when Sting fights main eventers in the other big wrestling company in the country as well, including Kurt Angle. Your problem is that you simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that there is a number two wrestling promotion in America. So, a side rant.... Total Nonstop Action cannot compete with the WWE, in terms of ratings or production value, and doesn't seem to WANT to in terms of storylines. That said.. TNA is a viable, profitable, and visable company. They enjoy exposure on a number of national platforms, including a national television deal, and a Pay Per View deal. Also, in ranking the talent level of each companies top 12 most over workers (let's say Sting, Angle, AJ, Nash, Joe, Steiner, Booker, Foley, Jarrett, Daniels, Roode, and Storm for TNA... and HHH, Cena, Taker, Jericho, Punk, HBK, Orton, Edge, J. Hardy, Morrison, Rey, and Christian for WWE), I'd say the workers are about of the same caliber. The WWE workers simply get more exposure on a grander scale (as well they should), but they're still of a similar talent level. All in all though, TNA is the second biggest wrestling promotion in the country. While it probably won't happen, with the right set of moves and events in place, it could become a competitor to the WWE. The booking is less than perfect (and at times outright stupid), but to act like it isn't a viable place to wrestle is pure simpleness on your part. If you're looking to do anything in the entertainment business, and you're getting paid a comfortable living to be on a weekly television show, on Pay Per View events, in a video game, on a t-shirt, made as an action figure (etc.).... than you've made it, plain and simple. You have succeeded. And, to be frank, if you're on the TNA roster on a weekly basis, you're probably getting more exposure than everyone's beloved "original ECW" wrestlers were (as much as I love some of them, this is the truth). /rant Now that we've established TNA is a strong number two promotion, Sting's contributions there can't be denied. And while I would rather see him against some of the WWE's stars... he's helping an entire company in TNA just by being there. So that's hardly a black mark on his legacy at all. As far as the Starrcade match, Sting hadn't wrestled in a year. I don't think the match was bad at all, except for the part where Nick Patrick made a "fast count" that wasn't fast at all. That sucked every little bit of heat from that bout, and probably had a hand in killing off WCW.
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Post by wccwmaster on Jul 20, 2009 19:58:49 GMT -5
I like Bret's gimick better. So Bret Hart gets my vote!
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Jul 20, 2009 23:14:27 GMT -5
Sting gets a lot of flack on WF, but he's a legitimate wrestling icon. He's a decorated twelve time World Champion, an icon to people who watched WCW, and one of the most charismatic stars of all time. He's also beaten Hulk Hogan three times, with Hogan never getting that dreaded one win over him (and Hulk could've pulled the strings to have that arranged, too).
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Post by underthestairs on Jul 21, 2009 22:52:26 GMT -5
Have to go with Sting. Had Bret not had his career cut short he would have won it. Oh well.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 24, 2009 0:27:33 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd say that Bret did more for wrestling, Sting and Flair carried WCW for quite a while. Of course, Bret and Shawn did the same for the WWF. It's crazy how much the two wrestlers' careers parallel each other!
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Post by nWo_Sentinel on Jul 24, 2009 1:11:49 GMT -5
Sting. People who have only watched WWF/WWE will NEVER admit that tho.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 2:12:59 GMT -5
This is why: Sting buries your precious WWE beginning at 2:40 of this vid:
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 2:37:29 GMT -5
But Sting isn't as great as a lot of people make him out to be How do you even begin to figure that? if he was in the WWE at the same time he was in WCW he would have never gained main event status. How is it that you say he wouldnt of main evented if his ex-partner Warrior (Hardly any wrestling skills) did at the time? Stop contridicting yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 2:50:10 GMT -5
He never was able to keep a company in the green that he worked for in America. WCW was losing millions and couldn't even make money on their house shows unlike during Bret's run. Nobody bought him until the nWo came around. ^ Thats all wrong. WCW was in the green BECAUSE of Sting. Easy BFG. Sting was smaller, and Warrior had the better gimmick of the two. And Vince wouldn't have pushed two face paint faces at the same time. How am I contridicting myself? I would say you have been in all of our past debates. LOL, you are truly funny rfap! Ric Flair said if Sting was in WWE it would of been him headlining WM6, not Warrior. But I'm not gonna commit Bladerunner blasphemy again with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 2:57:30 GMT -5
Prove it as Bischoff said WCW never made any money which is why they couldn't do house shows as NONE of their wrestlers could draw a crowd. WCW did house shows in the US and worldwide. Which makes your point null and void.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 3:04:56 GMT -5
They never made any money until the nWo came around which is why once Bischoff got control of the company he AXED them. Which furthers my point that your point is null and voided. What do you think kid that a company runs on air? WCW had money. Without it they couldnt have had so much merchandise and travelling in the early 90s and so fourth. Again, your not making any sense guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 3:13:52 GMT -5
Do you even know the backstory of WCW? WCW was kept afloat by Ted Turners big pockets. It's the only reason why it was able to survive through all of their years of money loses. And you contridic yourself once again! First you say they didn't have money and now they were backed up by a Billionaire, which one is it rfap
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 3:19:40 GMT -5
How is that a contridiction? How is it not. Do you know what a parent company is??? Changing subject are we
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 3:28:13 GMT -5
Do you understand there is a difference between a company making money and having to have their parent company pay their bills because they can't? No, WCW was ALWAYS owned by Ted Turner, he bought the NWA roster is all. No parent company. Ted always ensured they had enough. Who do you think paid Hogan all those millions of bucks in 94?
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