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Post by HugoOne on Aug 23, 2009 22:33:42 GMT -5
The difference is, Eddie could actually wrestle. The highest thing he had to jump off of was the top rope for the frog splash. If Jeff never started being stupid and jumping off high things, the Hardys would've been an afterthought in the WWF/E. No, it's not a difference. Just because he's not as good as Eddie doesn't mean you can forgive Eddie and not Jeff. That's just unfathomable and incredibly biased. And just because Jeff wasn't a mat-wrestler like Eddie was doesn't mean he didn't serve a purpose. Jeff Hardy's may have started out as a highlight reel, but what's wrong with that? Not everyone has to be a technician. And Jeff has developed into quite the competent wrestler. Jeff also sells an assload of merchandise, if you want a reason to keep him around. Hell, I'd put money on Jeff selling more merchandise and PPVs than Eddie did. And that's not a knock on Eddie, as he is one of my favorite wrestlers of all time. That's just showing how incredibly flawed your "logic" is.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 22:34:19 GMT -5
The difference is, Eddie could actually wrestle. The highest thing he had to jump off of was the top rope for the frog splash. If Jeff never started being stupid and jumping off high things, the Hardys would've been an afterthought in the WWF/E. I saw somebody saying that. So since all Jeff can do is give us moments to remember for years and can't do chain wrestling for 20 minutes, it's okay to bash him for drugs? That is an ignorant statement. Truly is. Eddie Guerrero did worse with drugs than Jeff did, and guess what? No disrespect to Eddie- but it ing killed him.
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Post by Jimmy on Aug 23, 2009 22:35:36 GMT -5
Wasn't able to catch SummerFest or SummerSlam but thank god Undertaker is back. I need HBK and Taker on my TV.
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Post by ortonisgod on Aug 23, 2009 22:38:30 GMT -5
Man am i in the dumps right now, i really wanted jeff to have a MUCH longer title reign. Sometimes it sucks to be a hardy fan. This is jeff's doing though and i cant understand why a guy who is WHC and headlining ppvs would want to leave asap? Im sure he was making great $$$ and im also sure had he stayed his run would have been much longer.
In short punk only got the belt because hardy is leaving imo.
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Post by White Trash Lucha on Aug 23, 2009 22:39:24 GMT -5
Im still so pissed off about the ECW Title match
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Post by Johnny on Aug 23, 2009 22:40:05 GMT -5
Decided I'd to a little "rundown" or "review". Hope you guys enjoy reading it.
Rey Mysterio vs. Dolph Ziggler was the perfect match to kick off the show. Set the mood for the rest of the night. I'm a little ticked off Rey won. I won't go too far into it, but the purpose of the IC Title is to build stars and Rey's already a potential future Hall of Famer. Please WWE, get the title on Ziggler soon. Overall, ***1/2/5
MVP vs. Swagger killed the momentum a little. I loved the promo before hand, but the match itself was a letdown. I expected these two to put on a clinic of sorts, but they failed to do so, but I'm not complaining. Overall, I'd say this match gets a rating of **/5
Big Show and Chris Jericho vs. Cryme Tyme was just alright. The promo beforehand really set a great mood for it and I absolutely love the new remixed theme for Show and Jericho. It really sells these two as a dominate tag team. I'm hoping they get into a feud with DX. That'd be an awesome feud and it'd follow up with an amazing match. But as for the actual match on the PPV, I'd say it gets a ***/5
Kane vs. Great Khali... horrible, but I'm excited Kane actually pulled out a victory. */5
D-Generation X vs. Legacy was amazing. Shawn hasn't missed a beat, like always and whenever Triple H isn't in there with Orton he's extremely entertaining to me. This was my second most hyped match and it lived up to it and then some. One of the best tag matches in years. ****/5
Christian vs. William Regal I have no comments on. 0/5
Orton vs. Cena takes the cake for third best. I was pleasantly surprised with this contest. I wasn't too into this, as I didn't really care who won, though I will say I was favoring John. Anyway, the ending, with the exception of Lillian's botch, was very different and confusing, which I love. Mostly when WWE tries to have a controversial ending ti flops, but not this time. ***3/4/5
Jeff Hardy vs. CM Punk. Oh baby. The reason I ordered this PPV in the first place. It did NOT fail to amaze me in the slightest. I had high expectations and they were met. CM Punk really is great and if this match didn't prove that to you, then you need to get your eyes checked. Jeff, well, he was Jeff in this match. Some would call it a "spot monkey", but I love the guy. The Swanton Bomb at the end made my jaw drop. Punk winning was sort of expected, but yeah, it's a good thing he won to me. Undertaker returning after gave me goosebumps. I'm definitely looking forward to their match and Smackdown! this Friday. ****1/2/5 cause giving it all five seems a bit extreme.
Overall I'd say this was a solid PPV. 4/5 or a B-
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Post by Gore on Aug 23, 2009 22:41:56 GMT -5
I'm not trying to validate anything i've said, becuase honestly, it's all my own opinion and I can think what I want. I never have liked Jeff, even before his drug stuff broke. That's the bottomo line. I just think it's sad now that kids look up to this guy who's a complete scrub. We all knew Eddie got himself clean. How do we honestly know Jeff is clean, too? All WWE is doing for marijuana violations is fining, and surely if their top star tests positive for something they aren't going to report it.
Parents shouldn't let their kids idolize pro wrestlers, because at the end of the day, none of them are really worthy of such an honor.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 22:43:36 GMT -5
I'm not trying to validate anything i've said, becuase honestly, it's all my own opinion and I can think what I want. I never have liked Jeff, even before his drug stuff broke. That's the bottomo line. I just think it's sad now that kids look up to this guy who's a complete scrub. We all knew Eddie got himself clean. How do we honestly know Jeff is clean, too? All WWE is doing for marijuana violations is fining, and surely if their top star tests positive for something they aren't going to report it. Parents shouldn't let their kids idolize pro wrestlers, because at the end of the day, none of them are really worthy of such an honor. 1) There is nothing wrong about Marijuana when you are doing things like THAT. 2) WWE were waiting for Jeff to screw up again. They wanted to make him a prime example. Thankfully for him and fans like me, he didn't.
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Post by J12 on Aug 23, 2009 22:43:44 GMT -5
Man am i in the dumps right now, i really wanted jeff to have a MUCH longer title reign. Sometimes it sucks to be a hardy fan. This is jeff's doing though and i cant understand why a guy who is WHC and headlining ppvs would want to leave asap? Im sure he was making great $$$ and im also sure had he stayed his run would have been much longer. In short punk only got the belt because hardy is leaving imo. It could actually be swung the other way to say Hardy only got the belt because he was leaving. Think about it, CM Punk was in the midst of his first title reign as a heel, he was getting over tremendously, he was delivering great promos, he and Jeff had a great thing going on and it all came to a screeching halt because WWE chose to give Jeff the belt. I don't honestly think WWE was giving him the belt in the hopes of convincing him to stay, I think they were doing it as a respectful send off, to make people believe that he could beat Punk.
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Post by Gore on Aug 23, 2009 22:45:55 GMT -5
I'm not trying to validate anything i've said, becuase honestly, it's all my own opinion and I can think what I want. I never have liked Jeff, even before his drug stuff broke. That's the bottomo line. I just think it's sad now that kids look up to this guy who's a complete scrub. We all knew Eddie got himself clean. How do we honestly know Jeff is clean, too? All WWE is doing for marijuana violations is fining, and surely if their top star tests positive for something they aren't going to report it. Parents shouldn't let their kids idolize pro wrestlers, because at the end of the day, none of them are really worthy of such an honor. 1) There is nothing wrong about Marijuana when you are doing things like THAT. 2) WWE were waiting for Jeff to screw up again. They wanted to make him a prime example. Thankfully for him and fans like me, he didn't. Are you honestly defending the use of marijuana because it isn't as bad as some of the other drugs he's done in the past?
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 22:47:04 GMT -5
1) There is nothing wrong about Marijuana when you are doing things like THAT. 2) WWE were waiting for Jeff to screw up again. They wanted to make him a prime example. Thankfully for him and fans like me, he didn't. Are you honestly defending the use of marijuana because it isn't as bad as some of the other drugs he's done in the past? To my knowledge, nobody has ever died from using Marijauna.
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Post by ortonisgod on Aug 23, 2009 22:47:50 GMT -5
I'm not trying to validate anything i've said, becuase honestly, it's all my own opinion and I can think what I want. I never have liked Jeff, even before his drug stuff broke. That's the bottomo line. I just think it's sad now that kids look up to this guy who's a complete scrub. We all knew Eddie got himself clean. How do we honestly know Jeff is clean, too? All WWE is doing for marijuana violations is fining, and surely if their top star tests positive for something they aren't going to report it. Parents shouldn't let their kids idolize pro wrestlers, because at the end of the day, none of them are really worthy of such an honor. Jeff's a horrible role model Look at his build, very small and he is the wwe's top star. That alone gives kids etc. a reason to look up and relate to him. He has overcome alot of adversity granted he brought alot of it on he was man enough to rise above it all and become the top star in his profession. I could go on and on about reasons why jeff is a great role model. Just because he's made mistakes he isn't worth looking up to? At the end of the day it realy doesnt matter what any of the hardy haters say he became the most popular babyface in wwe and in all honesty one of the wwe's most memorable main eventers. He doesnt look like a scrub to me, he is actually quite a good looking guy if you have not noticed.
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Post by easy1986 on Aug 23, 2009 22:49:44 GMT -5
Very good PPV, hopefully the different brands build of this momentum
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Post by kimberlysghost on Aug 23, 2009 22:49:58 GMT -5
Are you honestly defending the use of marijuana because it isn't as bad as some of the other drugs he's done in the past? To my knowledge, nobody has ever died from using Marijauna. That's not true. Marijuana killed my father and raped my mother. Kim
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Post by ortonisgod on Aug 23, 2009 22:50:38 GMT -5
Man am i in the dumps right now, i really wanted jeff to have a MUCH longer title reign. Sometimes it sucks to be a hardy fan. This is jeff's doing though and i cant understand why a guy who is WHC and headlining ppvs would want to leave asap? Im sure he was making great $$$ and im also sure had he stayed his run would have been much longer. In short punk only got the belt because hardy is leaving imo. It could actually be swung the other way to say Hardy only got the belt because he was leaving. Think about it, CM Punk was in the midst of his first title reign as a heel, he was getting over tremendously, he was delivering great promos, he and Jeff had a great thing going on and it all came to a screeching halt because WWE chose to give Jeff the belt. I don't honestly think WWE was giving him the belt in the hopes of convincing him to stay, I think they were doing it as a respectful send off, to make people believe that he could beat Punk. punk was in the middle of an entertaining run no doubt but to say he could ever draw more money than hardy is a joke. I think the only reason punk got the belt at extreme rules was to build up a super heel for jeff to beat, unfortunatley they were unable to convince him to stay, so that went with punk again. smart idea on their part, they built up punk in case hardy left. just my opinon though.
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Post by DMO™ on Aug 23, 2009 22:55:23 GMT -5
Hahaha, you've got to be kidding me. You're right, he doesn't deserve to be in WWE, and the company shouldn't give him any chances. Jeff generates NO money for them and contributes very little to their merchandise sales. Such a lazy, spoiled bum. I can't see why anybody would want him on their active roster. huh? Hardy is a HUGE seller when it comes to merchandise. Just search his name on Ebay. I believe Chris-R was being sarcastic.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 23, 2009 22:55:52 GMT -5
Taker ruined the main event for me. This should have been about Jeff's dramatic loss or Punk's amazing win. Not about Taker coming back.
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Post by J12 on Aug 23, 2009 22:56:19 GMT -5
It could actually be swung the other way to say Hardy only got the belt because he was leaving. Think about it, CM Punk was in the midst of his first title reign as a heel, he was getting over tremendously, he was delivering great promos, he and Jeff had a great thing going on and it all came to a screeching halt because WWE chose to give Jeff the belt. I don't honestly think WWE was giving him the belt in the hopes of convincing him to stay, I think they were doing it as a respectful send off, to make people believe that he could beat Punk. punk was in the middle of an entertaining run no doubt but to say he could ever draw more money than hardy is a joke. I think the only reason punk got the belt at extreme rules was to build up a super heel for jeff to beat, unfortunatley they were unable to convince him to stay, so that went with punk again. smart idea on their part, they built up punk in case hardy left. just my opinon though. I understand what you're saying, but the champion doesn't need to necessarily be the number one draw. Thats the beauty of a heel champion like Punk, when you've got a guy like Hardy chasing you, it makes Jeff's popularity soar, and in turn, creates dollars for the company. I'm a firm believer in a face chasing a heel's title being a better story nine out of ten times, and I think that was the case with their feud. This past month as arguably been the weakest of their three month feud, partially because Jeff was the champion. When it was entertaining, it was because Punk was beating the holy hell out of Hardy and making the fans want revenge. Revenge is better served with a side of freshly won championship.
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 22:56:33 GMT -5
Are you honestly defending the use of marijuana because it isn't as bad as some of the other drugs he's done in the past? To my knowledge, nobody has ever died from using Marijauna. But people under the influence of marijuna have killed people in car accidents. So in the end, marijuna really can kill people, the user and others.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 22:58:15 GMT -5
To my knowledge, nobody has ever died from using Marijauna. But people under the influence of marijuna have killed people in car accidents. So in the end, marijuna really can kill people, the user and others. But that is 100% different. In acts of. Alcohol kills people to huh? As I said, it's doing the things while high that kills people. Not the drug itself.
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