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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 7, 2009 13:00:38 GMT -5
I just read more about this Crabtree thing on Yahoo and it's sounding even more ridiculous to me. Basically he wants to get paid more than Heyward even though Heyward was drafted ahead of him. Why? Because he's a better player (so he says). That's just ridiculous. It's a fact that Heyward was drafted before Crabtree therefore he gets more money than Crabtree. That's the way the NFL works. Link to Yahoo article - sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-michaelcrabtree080609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns. You want to prove you're better than Heyward? Fine. Go out on the field, outplay him and make Al Davis look like a fool. (Which isn't that hard to do actually.) Generally-speaking, you're right that NFL contracts usually do follow down the line from 1st pick down... But in some cases, certain players are going to make more than guys who were drafted ahead of them, based on expectations. It's not like he's comparing himself to a kicker drafted ahead of him. He's comparing himself to a WR drafted ahead of him. There's no reason he should earn more than another WR taken ahead of him in the draft. I could see a QB taken later in the first round making more than Heyward as it's more valuable position, but not another WR.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 7, 2009 13:02:07 GMT -5
If he feels that Heyward-Bey signed for less than what he perceives market value to be, then why should he not ask for more money?
Just because someone in front of him signed for less than what he wants doesn't mean he should comply with it.
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Post by T R W on Aug 7, 2009 13:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 7, 2009 14:11:30 GMT -5
I'd rather have Montana in a crunch over Elway or Marino. I'm too lazy to read the article.
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Post by wakeman on Aug 7, 2009 15:13:22 GMT -5
Crabtree is hurting himself way more than he's hurting the 49ers. Kliquid, I agree with you that he should be trying to get every penny he feels he's worth, but what about the effects of holding out of camp? What about the effects of alienating the organization that drafted you and it's fans?
There's a reason this guy fell in the draft the way he did. Remember when he ws guaranteed to end up in Cleveland? They passed on him. The Raiders for sure would draft him then, right? Nope, they opted for a WR, just not him.
You're right, he should get all the money he can while he can, because he has BUST written all over him.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Aug 7, 2009 15:25:01 GMT -5
I got the news that depending on my exam schedule, my dad and I might go to the Giants/Carolina game in Week 16. It's my first Giants game ever, so I'm kind of excited. LUCKY SOB you might get to see Carolina. A great game to go to if possible. I just wish I didn't live in shitty Indiana where Carolina never comes anymore.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 7, 2009 16:00:53 GMT -5
Crabtree is hurting himself way more than he's hurting the 49ers. Kliquid, I agree with you that he should be trying to get every penny he feels he's worth, but what about the effects of holding out of camp? What about the effects of alienating the organization that drafted you and it's fans? Actually, I agree with you on this... That's the biggest concern, in my eyes. Alienating the fans and the organization is a big step in the wrong direction. But at the same time, fans are quick to forget these kinds of things if the player produces on the field. There's a reason this guy fell in the draft the way he did. Remember when he ws guaranteed to end up in Cleveland? They passed on him. The Raiders for sure would draft him then, right? Nope, they opted for a WR, just not him. The Browns traded their pick, or they very likely would've taken Crabtree. They got great value from the Jets and really couldn't turn down the offer. The Raiders are just a bunch of morons. Look at their first round draft picks from this decade: 2008 - Darren McFadden, 4th overallI still think this one will end up being a good pick, but as of right now, he's been unproductive and hasn't been able to stay on the field. 2007 - JaMarcus Russell, 1st overallOne of those players who had great physical skills, but hasn't grasped the mental game. He played in 15 games last year and only threw 13 touchdowns, while turning the ball over 15 times (total). 2006 - Michael Huff, 7th overallLost of starting job mid-way through the season last year to Hiram Eugene. Was a ridiculous reach when they drafted him, and has turned out to be a bust. 2005 - Fabian Washington, 23rd overallAgain, great physical tools... Not a good player. Ended up being traded last year for a 4th round draft pick, to Baltimore. 2004 - Robert Gallery, 2nd overallDidn't turn out to be the elite left tackle that the team (and most experts) pegged him as, but has been a very good guard... Still, though, Gallery has to be considered a disappointment, given that he went 2nd overall and guards generally aren't even taken in the top-10. 2003 - Nnamdi Asomugha, 31st overallThis was considered a pretty big reach at the time, but Nnamdi has turned out to be an absolutely elite cornerback -- probably the best in the league at the moment. 2003 - Tyler Brayton, 32nd overall Never emerged as the type of player you'd like to see as a first round pick, even considering that he was the last pick in the 1st round. He was flipped from DE to OLB, but didn't succeed at either position. Had only 6 sacks in his 5 years as a Raider. 2002 - Phillip Buchanon, 17th overallAbsolutely terrible in coverage. Made some great plays on interceptions that he got, and was a pretty good returner; but again is widely considered a bust. 2001 - Napoloeon Harris, 23rd overall'Napo' was pretty good for about the first 1 and a half years of his career... Then he was terrible in his 3rd season and was traded to Minnesota following that. Bust. 2001 - Derrick Gibson, 28th overallGibson was terrible in coverage and never got any better. Huge bust. He's not even in the NFL anymore. 2000 - Sebastian Janikowski, 17th overall... They took a f*cking kicker in the first round. Need I say more? ---------------------------- So when it comes down to it, let's not use the Oakland Raiders' drafting order as a barometer of whether a certain player is better than another. I'm pretty sure that at least 3/4 of the NFL teams had Crabtree ranked above Heyward-Bey.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 7, 2009 16:06:18 GMT -5
The Raiders (allegedly) passed on Crabtree because they felt he had character issues. If the Raiders pass on you because you have character issues, then you've got some serious problems. That's like the Bengals passing on you because you have problems with the law.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 7, 2009 16:10:12 GMT -5
The Raiders (allegedly) passed on Crabtree because they felt he had character issues. If the Raiders pass on you because you have character issues, then you've got some serious problems. That's like the Bengals passing on you because you have problems with the law. Crabtree DOES have character issues... But so do a lot of receivers. For some reason, it seems like WR's are a bunch of maniacs.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 7, 2009 18:51:50 GMT -5
The Chiefs have signed their first round pick. Maybe they can hit double digit sacks as a team this year.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 7, 2009 19:18:57 GMT -5
The Chiefs have signed their first round pick. Maybe they can hit double digit sacks as a team this year. Only if the rules change and they are allowed 22 men on D. Even then... Nah. Chiefs are ok. They just need to learn how to close a game. They, a lot of times, go into the 4th with a lead. In some games, they went in with a massive lead. Needless to say they still ended up losing a majority of them because the entire team can't finish a game. The offense can't keep the ball, and the D can't get it back. That was my gripe with the Chiefs all of last season.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 7, 2009 19:54:20 GMT -5
The Chiefs have signed their first round pick. Maybe they can hit double digit sacks as a team this year. Only if the rules change and they are allowed 22 men on D. Even then... Nah. Chiefs are ok. They just need to learn how to close a game. They, a lot of times, go into the 4th with a lead. In some games, they went in with a massive lead. Needless to say they still ended up losing a majority of them because the entire team can't finish a game. The offense can't keep the ball, and the D can't get it back. That was my gripe with the Chiefs all of last season. The offense was mediocre to above average at time. I thought they overperformed given that a rookie QB was calling the shots. When you look at what he had to work with receiver wise his numbers are as good as Cassels IMO. You expect a young offense to falter a time or two at the end of games. The defense sucked. Seriously, there were players last year who got more sacks than the entire Chiefs team. How does that make any sense?
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Post by wakeman on Aug 7, 2009 20:46:59 GMT -5
Knowshon Moreno is finally in camp. I can't wait to see how they use him. I'm gonna go check out training camp next Monday, so I'll get to see what he can do.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 7, 2009 21:10:51 GMT -5
Knowshon Moreno is finally in camp. I can't wait to see how they use him. I'm gonna go check out training camp next Monday, so I'll get to see what he can do. Hes going to show you hes a Hall of Famer in training camp
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Post by user9327 on Aug 7, 2009 22:45:12 GMT -5
Dude hooked me up with a formal auto
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 7, 2009 22:46:57 GMT -5
Dude hooked me up with a formal auto Cool. How has he looked in Camp thusfar?
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Post by user9327 on Aug 7, 2009 22:50:30 GMT -5
Thanks bro.
He's been so so. Not good but small moments here and there showing good signs. But overall not good.
Kenny Phillips looks really good. The secondary has looked really good, but then again, they are going against their lack of number 1 WR offense.
Eli's actually been on target with every deep pass and looking sharp at all times. For a guy that cut his interceptions in half last year, that's a good sign.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 7, 2009 22:54:48 GMT -5
Thanks bro. He's been so so. Not good but small moments here and there showing good signs. But overall not good. Kenny Phillips looks really good. The secondary has looked really good, but then again, they are going against their lack of number 1 WR offense. Eli's actually been on target with every deep pass and looking sharp at all times. For a guy that cut his interceptions in half last year, that's a good sign. Unless you root for the NFC East Team that resides in Arlington, Texas, like me.
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Post by captain master talbot on Aug 7, 2009 23:00:33 GMT -5
I am ing psyched for our defense this year. Kenny Phillips is going to be a MONSTER, and be at a Pro Bowl level. I can feel it. He's fast, great ball tracking skills, but he's also a beast in the run game. I heard Justin Tuck stopped BJ on a counter, and yelled to the offense: "I will make you great! I will make you all great!" I think playing a top notch defense like that in camp is only going to help the offense during the regular season.
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Post by user9327 on Aug 7, 2009 23:02:56 GMT -5
At least Romo will draw defenses out of their conventions with his new wave mentality.
Eli isn't going to have many open looks without Blaxico.
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