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Post by wakeman on Aug 21, 2009 14:59:11 GMT -5
Shane Carwin was born in my hometown of Greeley, Colorado, so he's something of a hero here, because nobody big ever comes out of Greeley. You'd think I'd be rooting for him, right? Nope.
I stand behind Lesnar no matter who he fights and there is no doubt Carwin hits like a ton of bricks, but I think Mir had a better chance to beat him then Carwin does. Brock won't let the fight be a stand up and trade blows kind of war. He'll simply take Carwin down, Carwin will have no answer for him, and Brock will beat his head in like he did to Couture and Mir. It is going to take a herculean effort to defeat Lesnar, in my opinion and Carwin won't be the man to do it.
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Post by lancewiget on Aug 21, 2009 19:24:04 GMT -5
The thing is that we have never really seen Brock get hit to hard. Now if Carwin clips him good, that is where we can determine the true fighter in Lesnar. So I say Carwin wins on the feet. But we all know even if we hate him Brock has VERY good ground and pound and we never saw Carwin on the ground yet so this fight will be a heck of an answer to both of these fighters questions in the octagon We never saw Carwin on the ground? Have you seen his fight against Gonzaga? Gabriel rocked Carwin with two right hands, took Shane to the ground with a single leg after the clinch, got in a few more bombs on the ground in half-guard, before Carwin used the fence to get back to the feet, and KO'd Gabriel after 6 seconds. That's why I'm pulling for Carwin over Lesnar. If you haven't seen it... see it now: |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 21, 2009 19:33:17 GMT -5
Gabriel rocked Carwin with two right hands, took Shane to the ground with a single leg after the clinch, got in a few more bombs on the ground in half-guard, before Carwin used the fence to get back to the feet, and KO'd Gabriel after 6 seconds. That's why I'm pulling for Carwin over Lesnar. At the risk of starting another Brock Lesnar cheerleading session: If Gabriel Gonzaga can rock Shane Carwin with fists, Brock Lesnar can probably knock him out cold. And if Gabriel Gonzaga can take down Shane Carwin, Brock Lesnar can do it all day. Just sayin'... in my opinion, the Gonzaga fight raises more doubt about Carwin's chances against Lesnar than it answers questions. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Aug 21, 2009 20:23:20 GMT -5
What? hahaha. That Gonzaga thing only proves how well Carwin can recover.
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Post by lancewiget on Aug 21, 2009 20:25:29 GMT -5
Gabriel rocked Carwin with two right hands, took Shane to the ground with a single leg after the clinch, got in a few more bombs on the ground in half-guard, before Carwin used the fence to get back to the feet, and KO'd Gabriel after 6 seconds. That's why I'm pulling for Carwin over Lesnar. At the risk of starting another Brock Lesnar cheerleading session: If Gabriel Gonzaga can rock Shane Carwin with fists, Brock Lesnar can probably knock him out cold. And if Gabriel Gonzaga can take down Shane Carwin, Brock Lesnar can do it all day. Just sayin'... in my opinion, the Gonzaga fight raises more doubt about Carwin's chances against Lesnar than it answers questions. Yeah I worded that pretty badly. I can't argue that Gonzaga is a better fighter than Lesnar because Brock has only had 5 fights. Lesnar is bigger and stronger than Gabriel so Carwin may have some trouble... but he made getting up from Gabriel's top position look so simple and effortless. It means he'll have to put in some effort if Lesnar gets on top, but I don't want to see the fight last that long. Regardless of what everyone says or what goes down beforehand, I will always pull for Carwin. I always pull for my favourite fighters, be it Shane, Rich Franklin, Matt Hamill, Dustin Hazelett or Kenny Florian. Hopefully, I get to see Dana White strapping the UFC Heavyweight Championship around Shane Carwin's waist on November 21st. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 21, 2009 20:28:40 GMT -5
Im predicting that Lesnar wins it. But Id love to see Carwin win it. I would...
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Post by axemurderer on Aug 21, 2009 21:22:57 GMT -5
Just sayin'... in my opinion, the Gonzaga fight raises more doubt about Carwin's chances against Lesnar than it answers questions. how do you figure..it clearly shows that Carwin obviously has a decent chin because the two CLEAN power shots didnt knock him down or rock him enough that he didnt know what was going on, and then was able to quickly recover enough to KTFO Gonzaga with a baby jab..he barely threw that punch and still Gonzaga went to bed. I think it proved a ton...and with Carwins wrestling background (to the dude who says he cant wrestle) im sure he will be able to hold his own in the wrestling game this is going to be a good fight I think..Im pulling for Carwin of course because of my hate for Lesnar. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 21, 2009 22:09:31 GMT -5
What? hahaha. That Gonzaga thing only proves how well Carwin can recover. And that he can be staggered by a clean shot. And at times, that he leaves himself open for a clean shot. And that he can be taken down by a guy with worse wrestling than Lesnar and less weight and power to keep Carwin from reversing. Look, I'm not saying Carwin has no chance, because clearly he could win vs. Brock. But let's not pretend he's Superman. He's a great wrestler with knockout power and very good aggression. He has a great work ethic. He probably has good stamina (although he hasn't gone the distance yet, so it's unproven, but still probable). He absolutely can beat Lesnar under the right circumstances. I really think that certain posters are overcompensating with excessive Lesnar negativity to make up for the excessive Lesnar love we see from other posters. Reality is somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 21, 2009 23:01:38 GMT -5
What? hahaha. That Gonzaga thing only proves how well Carwin can recover. And that he can be staggered by a clean shot. And at times, that he leaves himself open for a clean shot. And that he can be taken down by a guy with worse wrestling than Lesnar and less weight and power to keep Carwin from reversing. Look, I'm not saying Carwin has no chance, because clearly he could win vs. Brock. But let's not pretend he's Superman. He's a great wrestler with knockout power and very good aggression. He has a great work ethic. He probably has good stamina (although he hasn't gone the distance yet, so it's unproven, but still probable). He absolutely can beat Lesnar under the right circumstances. I really think that certain posters are overcompensating with excessive Lesnar negativity to make up for the excessive Lesnar love we see from other posters. Reality is somewhere in the middle. I do agree with you. Lesnar has the edge over Carwin and either guy can win this. But Lesnar is deffinatly the favor in this one. I just hope Carwin shocks him! |
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Post by shenmue on Aug 22, 2009 6:31:28 GMT -5
Lesnar by GNP 1st round, Carwin has good power but Lesnar takes him down early and destroys him.
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Post by Creative Has Nothing for Me on Aug 22, 2009 11:59:57 GMT -5
Carwin will lose. He has a pretty record yes but he's fought SEVEN guys that nobody has ever heard of and I'm sorry, Gonzaga is a "name" but he's well past his prime. IF Carwin stands a chance, it MIGHT be to stand w/ Lesnar. We haven't seen how good his chin really is but i do know I saw him take a knee in the face from Frank Mir and he was having his hand raised less than a minute later. If it goes to the ground, Lesnar will win, no question. Just because a guy is bigger means nothing. Not to compare but look at how easily Lashley handled the much bigger Bob Sapp and pounded him into oblivion. There's alot of difference in "show muscles" vs. true stregnth. Lesnar has both and they'll be used to win this fight. IF (a big if) this goes past round 1, a guy of Carwin's physique and size can't have that great of cardio so I think he'll gas. Possibly even faster because nobody he's faced will make him work like Lesnar will. I still think Velasquez would've been the better match against Lesnar.
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Post by Bob Sapp on Aug 22, 2009 12:20:01 GMT -5
What? hahaha. That Gonzaga thing only proves how well Carwin can recover. And that he can be staggered by a clean shot. And at times, that he leaves himself open for a clean shot. And that he can be taken down by a guy with worse wrestling than Lesnar and less weight and power to keep Carwin from reversing. Look, I'm not saying Carwin has no chance, because clearly he could win vs. Brock. But let's not pretend he's Superman. He's a great wrestler with knockout power and very good aggression. He has a great work ethic. He probably has good stamina (although he hasn't gone the distance yet, so it's unproven, but still probable). He absolutely can beat Lesnar under the right circumstances. I really think that certain posters are overcompensating with excessive Lesnar negativity to make up for the excessive Lesnar love we see from other posters. Reality is somewhere in the middle. Anybody can be taken down while you're rocked. And anybody can be staggered by a clean shot. This has been proven time and time again, no matter who it is. Carwin and Lesnar will be similar in weight and they both obviously have wrestling credentials. I don't think Lesnar is just going to lay on Carwin with punches and expect to win. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Aug 22, 2009 12:21:50 GMT -5
Carwin will lose. He has a pretty record yes but he's fought SEVEN guys that nobody has ever heard of and I'm sorry, Gonzaga is a "name" but he's well past his prime. IF Carwin stands a chance, it MIGHT be to stand w/ Lesnar. We haven't seen how good his chin really is but i do know I saw him take a knee in the face from Frank Mir and he was having his hand raised less than a minute later. If it goes to the ground, Lesnar will win, no question. Just because a guy is bigger means nothing. Not to compare but look at how easily Lashley handled the much bigger Bob Sapp and pounded him into oblivion. There's alot of difference in "show muscles" vs. true stregnth. Lesnar has both and they'll be used to win this fight. IF (a big if) this goes past round 1, a guy of Carwin's physique and size can't have that great of cardio so I think he'll gas. Possibly even faster because nobody he's faced will make him work like Lesnar will. I still think Velasquez would've been the better match against Lesnar. Bob Sapp sucks on the ground, and Lashey knew this. That also has NOTHING to do with Lesnar/Carwin. And getting hit in the CHIN is a LOT different than getting kneed in the head. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Aug 22, 2009 12:30:38 GMT -5
Anybody can be taken down while you're rocked. And anybody can be staggered by a clean shot. This has been proven time and time again, no matter who it is. Which, again, is great news for Brock Lesnar, since he is very good at doing both of those things to opponents. Lesnar can actually stagger guys with off-center or blocked punches, too, so I'm still trying to figure out how Carwin has nothing to worry about in this fight. He can win, for sure. But let's not pretend he's a lock. He's vulnerable to the things Lesnar does best. Doesn't mean he will lose, but let's not pretend that Carwin has no vulnerabilities. Saying "anybody can get rocked" or "anybody can get taken down while rocked" is like saying any football team can be beaten when they play poor defense. It's true, but it doesn't excuse the action in question. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Aug 22, 2009 12:33:29 GMT -5
Also, if you watched the Carwin/Gonzaga fight, you can totally see it only took moments for Carwin to get back to his feet...while staggered, mind you.
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Post by Creative Has Nothing for Me on Aug 22, 2009 16:41:52 GMT -5
regardless. If Carwin can be taken down by Gonzaga, Lesnar will be doing it all day at will. As for the knee....you're telling me anybody could shrug a high impact knee directly to the face? Come on man, get with it. Carwin will get exposed as the white Kimbo this night.
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Post by axemurderer on Aug 22, 2009 17:19:07 GMT -5
regardless. If Carwin can be taken down by Gonzaga, Lesnar will be doing it all day at will. As for the knee....you're telling me anybody could shrug a high impact knee directly to the face? Come on man, get with it. Carwin will get exposed as the white Kimbo this night. whoa whoa whoa..the white Kimbo ? thats the dumbest thing I ever heard..hes not even being pushed like Kimbo was he is just being given an opportunity and he matches well with Lesnar lets not forget that the knee from Mir staggered Lesnar a good amount and had the 320 pounds of weight fell flat instead of foward on Mir, it might be a different story right now, but Im not tryin to talk about ifs here..when it comes down to it, Carwin can straight out BANG, Take a CLEAN shot (or two in the Gonzaga case) and still recover to stand back up 20 seconds later and knock him the  out, and dude has wrestling to boot.. ill just say the same thing I always say, Im pulling for anyone but Lesnar until the dude represents MMA like a champ is supposed to. With Respect. Carwin is just the dude that could punch sense into his noggin. |
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Post by wakeman on Aug 22, 2009 23:32:28 GMT -5
Perhaps Carwin has good standup, but there's no way any guy in the UFC can stuff Lesnar's takedown ability. I think if this was just a standup fight, Carwin might be able to get him. But do you really think Lesnar lets that happen? If he gets tagged one time, the fight goes to the mat and ends with GNP, no question. The same way Lesnar has beaten every guy he's beaten and the way he will probably win every fight he ever wins. He's not going to try and knock anyone out and he's not going to try and work into a submission. Lesnar will get Carwin down, get on top and Carwin won't be able to get him off no matter what. All there is to it.
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Post by The Mac on Aug 26, 2009 11:40:49 GMT -5
the card looks wicked with Fitch, Ortiz and Brock fighting!
Brock will be the first guy to beat Carwin!
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Post by Codesters on Aug 26, 2009 16:44:53 GMT -5
Carwin brings up alot of questions to Lesnars game. Which 9 times out of 10 is use that wrestling abillity to take down an opponent and pound them to a pulp. However, Carwin's size and athleticism may prove suprising. He also seems to recover well from attacks.
I'll be rooting for Carwin.
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