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Post by LtD73 on Oct 22, 2009 15:25:49 GMT -5
The WWE are said to be removing videos of Christian (Cage) when he was in TNA. The videos get removed and the user receives a strike.
TNAWrestlingnews.com
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Post by That guy next door. on Oct 22, 2009 15:31:39 GMT -5
Why, it ain't there copyright! Well, unless TNA uploaded it it's not the uploader's either i suppose.
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Post by SodaGuy on Oct 22, 2009 15:33:36 GMT -5
Why, it ain't there copyright! Well, unless TNA uploaded it it's not the uploader's either i suppose. It is TNA's footage. They're removing it from their YouTube channel. Pretty stupid, A.) It's not their footage and B.) They don't own the name "Christian Cage" so they shouldn't be able to do this. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 15:33:49 GMT -5
How can you remove videos of another company? Technically he was under a name never used in the WWE, therefore any argument they have would be moot.
Then again I don't know why they would take down videos anyway, seeing as none are uploaded for a profit outside of YouTube's partners and even then you have to click on the ads to receive profit anyway, another reason showing the how easily manipulative the powers that be there are.
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Post by figurecollector100 on Oct 22, 2009 15:35:57 GMT -5
Do we even know if this is true before we jump to defend TNA?
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Oct 22, 2009 15:47:50 GMT -5
If it is true it has to do with likeness rights and I wouldn't put it past WWE to do something like that.
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Post by Mizz Lola on Oct 22, 2009 15:52:54 GMT -5
Do we even know if this is true before we jump to defend TNA? TNAwrestlingnews.com says it's true ZoMg!!!!!!!?!@@--~ Pretty sure that WWE can't do this unless they have permission as like someone else said it's not their copyright. They can't demand something be taken down if they have no right to do so. The only way they could do this is if Christian owns the name Christian Cage and he gave them written permission to remove his TNA videos and even then I am not sure that would work as the footage is property of TNA. Maybe, TNA is actually doing it? |
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Post by Jimmy on Oct 22, 2009 15:56:25 GMT -5
Christian's TNA theme > His current theme
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Post by mnm213 on Oct 22, 2009 16:00:20 GMT -5
^ I like both but I think his WWE theme is better, anyway this is pretty stupid. WWE will do anything for money... like go on a fansite closing rampage.
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Post by King Silva on Oct 22, 2009 16:26:44 GMT -5
That sucks. I hate when they remove the videos. I know it is copyrighted but people just put them back up a day later. . .
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Oct 22, 2009 21:48:25 GMT -5
WWE doesn't have any legal standing.
But as much as Youtube has been sued, I think they just pull anything that someone challenges so that they don't have to deal with it.
It's very sad, because Youtube is a wonderful thing. I don't see why companies pull things. I mean, if it's something they could potentially be making money off of, sure. But movies that haven't been released on dvd, songs set to a random video someone made, etc. Should be left alone unless the person using it is trying to make money on it.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Oct 23, 2009 0:18:33 GMT -5
Dailymotion FTW
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Post by instant classic on Oct 23, 2009 0:26:17 GMT -5
lame.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Oct 23, 2009 1:24:31 GMT -5
WWE doesn't have any legal standing. But as much as Youtube has been sued, I think they just pull anything that someone challenges so that they don't have to deal with it. It's very sad, because Youtube is a wonderful thing. I don't see why companies pull things. I mean, if it's something they could potentially be making money off of, sure. But movies that haven't been released on dvd, songs set to a random video someone made, etc. Should be left alone unless the person using it is trying to make money on it. Do you fully understand copyright law? Putting any song on their unless you own it, is not technically legal. Do most artists really care? No. But their labels do because they aren't seeing money. Movies that haven't been released on dvd? That's a HUGE copyright violation. For many reasons movies aren't released. For them to be put on a public website and for the film maker to receive zero compensation is bad. People never seem to realize the processes of these things. People do not have the right to put anything they want on youtube. If you have another means to do it, have at it but don't tell anyone who really may care. But youtube is so widely known that anything can be placed on it and have it spread and be known within a day. It will be taken down but someone does have the right to sue and if they feel they're losing enough money, they'll do it. Warner Music fought with Youtube over compensation for music to finally make a deal not too long ago. I'm not saying I'm not guilty of things. But I understand the law and I know where my activities lie. What you actually said, does break these laws and very publicly. If the copyright owner claims right, the site has to have it taken down. Also WWE can claim right over this if they feel it's being used to promote TNA when they have that star. WWE can say that it is taking away from their viewership by promoting the other product. I can't fully make WWE's argument, I'm not their legal team. TNA could do the same with say R-Truth or whoever, but frankly TNA finds a way to make anything positive for them. |
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Post by Hurricane on Oct 23, 2009 4:31:54 GMT -5
WWE doesn't have any legal standing. But as much as Youtube has been sued, I think they just pull anything that someone challenges so that they don't have to deal with it. It's very sad, because Youtube is a wonderful thing. I don't see why companies pull things. I mean, if it's something they could potentially be making money off of, sure. But movies that haven't been released on dvd, songs set to a random video someone made, etc. Should be left alone unless the person using it is trying to make money on it. Do you fully understand copyright law? Putting any song on their unless you own it, is not technically legal. Do most artists really care? No. But their labels do because they aren't seeing money. Movies that haven't been released on dvd? That's a HUGE copyright violation. For many reasons movies aren't released. For them to be put on a public website and for the film maker to receive zero compensation is bad. People never seem to realize the processes of these things. People do not have the right to put anything they want on youtube. If you have another means to do it, have at it but don't tell anyone who really may care. But youtube is so widely known that anything can be placed on it and have it spread and be known within a day. It will be taken down but someone does have the right to sue and if they feel they're losing enough money, they'll do it. Warner Music fought with Youtube over compensation for music to finally make a deal not too long ago. I'm not saying I'm not guilty of things. But I understand the law and I know where my activities lie. What you actually said, does break these laws and very publicly. If the copyright owner claims right, the site has to have it taken down. Also WWE can claim right over this if they feel it's being used to promote TNA when they have that star. WWE can say that it is taking away from their viewership by promoting the other product. I can't fully make WWE's argument, I'm not their legal team. TNA could do the same with say R-Truth or whoever, but frankly TNA finds a way to make anything positive for them. Wrong. TNA can use their personal footage of Christian Cage all they want to while promoting TNA. He was signed to them at the time, so all the footage and use of him them is legal archive footage and they are clearly within their rights to use it. Rhino, Dudley Boyz, Kurt Angle, etc. are all in TNA now, should they be stripped from all Anthologys and Classic Pay-Per-Views because it is "promoting WWE"? What your saying is like telling Slash he can't legally say he is an ex-player of Guns N Roses. TNA can use the footage from their show all they want, so long as it's their footage from a time the star was not signed to WWE. |
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Post by Lewscher on Oct 23, 2009 10:58:52 GMT -5
well crap!!!
all the TNA Christian Cage tribute video effort for crapall
im sad if it gets removed
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Oct 23, 2009 12:26:16 GMT -5
WWE doesn't have any legal standing. But as much as Youtube has been sued, I think they just pull anything that someone challenges so that they don't have to deal with it. It's very sad, because Youtube is a wonderful thing. I don't see why companies pull things. I mean, if it's something they could potentially be making money off of, sure. But movies that haven't been released on dvd, songs set to a random video someone made, etc. Should be left alone unless the person using it is trying to make money on it. Do you fully understand copyright law? Putting any song on their unless you own it, is not technically legal. Do most artists really care? No. But their labels do because they aren't seeing money. Movies that haven't been released on dvd? That's a HUGE copyright violation. For many reasons movies aren't released. For them to be put on a public website and for the film maker to receive zero compensation is bad. People never seem to realize the processes of these things. People do not have the right to put anything they want on youtube. If you have another means to do it, have at it but don't tell anyone who really may care. But youtube is so widely known that anything can be placed on it and have it spread and be known within a day. It will be taken down but someone does have the right to sue and if they feel they're losing enough money, they'll do it. Warner Music fought with Youtube over compensation for music to finally make a deal not too long ago. I'm not saying I'm not guilty of things. But I understand the law and I know where my activities lie. What you actually said, does break these laws and very publicly. If the copyright owner claims right, the site has to have it taken down. Also WWE can claim right over this if they feel it's being used to promote TNA when they have that star. WWE can say that it is taking away from their viewership by promoting the other product. I can't fully make WWE's argument, I'm not their legal team. TNA could do the same with say R-Truth or whoever, but frankly TNA finds a way to make anything positive for them. Oh, I understand copyright, the last bit was more of a personal issue with copyright itself. If it's not hurting the holder's ability to make money, then I don't think it should be an issue. And there is a gray area with footage that isn't available in another form. Though with the advent of internet video and dvds, that actually may be changed now. But it used to be fair game as long as the holder was not attempting to profit on it. If companies wanted to make money on movies, they would release them. of course, most companies don't bother taking movies down if they're not releasing them. They probably don't even look to see if things are there. I think more arrangements should be put in place to legally have these things on you tube. But I digress... The whole point of the thread is that TNA owns the footage and WWE has no legal rights to have it pulled. |
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