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Post by NAЯDO on Jun 14, 2010 11:52:19 GMT -5
Worst performance for the Lakers.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jun 14, 2010 15:37:39 GMT -5
No one who is a LeBron fan can say Kobe is overrated....... This series is far from over, so lets calm down on all the Kobe hate. The Celtics will have to take another one in LA, which wont be easy. Haha, you do realize you're talking to one guy. |
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 16:31:11 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for a Kobe fan to explain 2004 or 2008 to me. I bring things up like those embarrassing losses and it never gets acknowledged but then I'm told I just like tagging Kobe. No actually, I used to hate Paul Pierce even more but he's shown he's a team player who appreciates his surroundings and I've shut the  up about it. Or what about the year Kobe was trying to lead the Lakers to the playoffs and they eliminated themselves by going 2-17 to finish the year? Or... the 2 years starting with Shaq in which they sucked in the playoffs and never met the Bulls in the Finals. Shaq was arguably the best player in the NBA and fresh off a Finals run with Orlando. But in LA he struggled for a few years. But in Miami with Wade they were instantly in the Conf Finals and then Champions the next year. Or... Just the straight up fact that when Kobe has not had Shaq or Gasol and Bynum on the roster, they've either missed the playoffs or been eliminated early. When LeBron plays with nobody, he goes to the Finals. Then there's the best record in NBA and league MVP two years in a row while playing with Mo Williams. Are you kidding me?! Kobe got bounced in the first round HOW many years while playing with Shaq? You realize Kobe was the same age as LeBron was when LeBron went to the Finals? Kobe was that age and getting swept in the playoffs with Shaq. My point is, LeBron has never underacheived, never. Name me one NBA champion, let alone Finals appearance, where the second option was the caliber of Mo Williams or Delonte West? It's hilarious that Kobe is playing with a bunch if all stars right now and LeBron has the guy who helped the Bucks with 30 games, the Celtics win 30 games (West), the Wizards win 30 games (Jamison) and a coach with no previous head coaching experience. In comparison to Kobe who has, well... let's just start with Artest, almost beat the Lakers in a 7 game series last year without Yao and might be a top 15 player. Pau Gasol, has to be a top 10 player in the least, top 3 big man in the least. Bynum, he's better than any other player listed as starting Center (not power forward) except for Dwight Howard. Lamar Odom, the guy is nearly 7 foot and is capable of winning playoff series' without Kobe (in Miami). Derek Fisher, more experience than the entire Cavs Backcourt combined. Then there's Phil Jackson (oh yea Phil Jackson... or is it Mike Brown that makes LeBron over rated?) last but not least, while playing with all of this, Kobe has faced game 7's to Houston and OKC in the last two years. LeBron is 25 years old and has accomplished this. Kobe wins 3 titles after losing a few years with Shaq and that's not something Paul Pierce couldn't have done? annnnnd, all of LeBron's team mates on Cleveland before this season had never won a playoff series. Then he got Shaq and Jamison, who I think it's safe to dub past their prime. If Kobe loses this series he's over rated. Cleveland lost to this same team. Who did LA go though before Boston? The 8 seed? The 4 seed? If they lose to Boston, beating the Suns this season, winning a title last year when Garnett and Yao Ming were hurt and losing in 2008 like they did, isn't over rated? In 2008 and now potentially 2010, he's losing to the same opponent as LeBron but with more talent around him. In 2009 they were a missed layup and a Trevor Ariza steal away from being down 3-1 in the Finals. They did beat Denver, but the Houston series was pathetic. Houston didn't have a player over 6'9". My point is, Kobe underachieves. He should have at least 6 or 7 titles right now. I think he's talented as they come and has great ability, but he's blown it a lot and needs a tremendous amount of help to win. I'm sure this post will cause some people to get mad and use naughty words to say some unfavorable things. But I'm also sure no one will acknowledge the things I said, just like last night. I posted a gripe about 2008 and 2004 and it was ignored and instead I was told off or something. Keep it on topic, if you don't like what I say about Kobe, talk about Kobe... don't talk about me in your defense of Kobe Bryant only having 4 rings while playing with HOFers for over 10 years combined. If LeBron plays with some better players next year, we'll see who's over rated. Because the only thing on the Cavs that is over rated, are all of these 30 win players that can't score in the second half of a playoff game. Just remember, Kobe played with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom and won 34 games. |
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 16:54:36 GMT -5
Christ why is this even a debate? Didn't Kobe just play two NBA Finals games in a row in which his final turnover blew the game, two games in a row? Didn't Derek Fisher win game 3? Didn't Kobe play like crap in game 3? And in 4 have 7 turnovers? and so I'm clear here... LeBron's over rated for having 2 MVP's (more than Kobe), best record in the league twice (more than Kobe) all before the age of 25? Because he hasn't made Delonte West a World Champion? Why is it exactly that LeBron is over rated? Is it Mike Brown's complete lack head coaching experience? Is it Mo Williams scoring 2 points in the second half if elimination games? Is it the fact that Cleveland has lost to the best teams in the league the last 4 years (Spurs, Celtics, Orlando, Celtics)? This is over rated? Reeeeally? At age 25?  With Delonte West in your starting lineup? I don't see Kobe with Jordan Farmar in his starting line up. Not one player on Cleveland would start in LA besides LeBron himself. If you think LeBron is NEVER winning a ring you might as well take stock in ENRON. Now sorry for the long rants, but I'll shut the up when the Kobe supporters actually write a post acknowledging this stuff because posting about me doesn't help. |
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Post by carly1988 on Jun 14, 2010 16:59:55 GMT -5
The argument of "Kobe cant win one with out Shaq/Gasol" is soooo over done. Name me 1 great player that did it all by himself?
Jordan? Nope he had Pippen
Thomas? Nope he had Dumars
Magic? Nope he had Kareem
Bird? Nope be had _____ (A ton)
Robinson? Nope he had Duncan
Duncan? See above
Oh wait, Shaq did it....No he had Kobe and Dwade
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Post by spreedom8 on Jun 14, 2010 17:28:31 GMT -5
Kobe/LeBron arguments are just a waste of time now, particularly in this thread.
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Post by BV on Jun 14, 2010 17:40:06 GMT -5
The argument of "Kobe cant win one with out Shaq/Gasol" is soooo over done. Name me 1 great player that did it all by himself? Jordan? Nope he had Pippen Thomas? Nope he had Dumars Magic? Nope he had Kareem Bird? Nope be had _____ (A ton) Robinson? Nope he had Duncan Duncan? See above Oh wait, Shaq did it....No he had Kobe and Dwade Hakeem? |
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 18:07:13 GMT -5
The argument of "Kobe cant win one with out Shaq/Gasol" is soooo over done. Name me 1 great player that did it all by himself? Jordan? Nope he had Pippen Thomas? Nope he had Dumars Magic? Nope he had Kareem Bird? Nope be had _____ (A ton) Robinson? Nope he had Duncan Duncan? See above Oh wait, Shaq did it....No he had Kobe and Dwade Not one of those players you named ever won titles apart from the other except Tim Duncan, who was the best player on the Spurs even when Robinson was there. Robinson was on the sideline, with a serious back injury. He couldn't go full games and was half the player he used to be. What Superstar has Duncan played with that is comparable to Shaq or Gasol/Bynum? Ditto on all of these guys. Pippen was the equivalent to Shaq?! Shaq was the best player in the game when he won with Kobe. Not one of those players you named were using the best player in the game as their second fiddle. When David Robinson won, Duncan was in his 2nd year... or was it 3rd? Joe Dumars is not equal to Shaq or Gasol/Bynum. Pippen, see above. Bird's Celtics, see above. Kareem was past his prime but still effective, Magic was a freak of nature though, I admit. Duncan's team mate's after Robinson, see above. the Hakeem comment just proves my point about the value of Centers and big men who are that effective. I mean, the logic Kobe lovers use against LeBron is that LeBron hasn't won a title and that Kobe gets further than him in the playoffs right now. Well, by that logic, 2010 Vince Carter is a better player than 2001 Vince Carter because 2010 has Dwight Howard. That would also mean Vince Carter from 2010 is a better player than LeBron because the Magic got further (but still lost to the same team as LeBron). Or that 2008 Paul Pierce was a better player than 2008 MVP Kobe Bryant because Pierce's team won. Or, apparently this year Vince Carter and Paul Pierce are better players than Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Durant because they went further in the playoffs with better teams around them? Isn't this your logic/point, just with a different group of players? You guys want to rip LeBron for no titles with crap teams but want to give Kobe free passes last night night when he scores 38 and loses with all stars around him because none of them scored 20. Your logic isn't adding up. How about you talk about how the kid was in the Finals at age 22 without another All Star on his team. When has Kobe done that? Will LeBron win titles when he plays with another great player? We shall see... If you're really counting on LeBron never winning any championships, then by all means, you have a point. But right now LeBron has more MVP's (and Kobe never won one until his 30's) and makes teams better than Kobe does. |
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 18:33:05 GMT -5
Kobe/LeBron arguments are just a waste of time now, particularly in this thread. If debating Kobe in this thread is pointless... tell it to my Paul Pierce debate which I admit defeat on at this point and claim he turned it around and proved me wrong. I've shut the up about Paul Pierce, haven't I? Ditto on Rondo? They've proved me wrong with their unselfish play and EVOLVED game. Where's Kobe's evolution? I thought he got rid of Shaq to prove he doesn't need the best Centers to win? How many fadeaway jump shots is he going to miss that turn into fast breaks before you guys admit it's straight up WHACK? As for you, we can just go with the most recent... you still think Rondo traveled when Jason Williams was laying on the floor... and are the only person in the world who thinks so... even after having to see video evidence that made some of your points look completely made up.... if you want to talk about pointless debating, that is. This Kobe one has multiple people participating btw... |
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jun 14, 2010 18:45:30 GMT -5
99% of athletes will tel you the same thing. You can have all the numbers but if you don't win the big one you're not even in contention as the best. July you bring up all this crapon Kobe yet forget how Lebron quit in the Cavs loss to the Celtics this year. He literally quit anyone watching knows that. Both Kobe and Lebron are great players but in sports it's all about winning. Kobe has done more of it than Lebron. So Lebron can win in the regukar season that's fine and dandy but he's a ghost in the playoffs. Lebron is sort of like Peyton Manning before he won his ring. 2 great QBs (Brady and Manning) but Brady was always the better of the two due to winning the big one. Manning got over that hump Lebron needs to do the same.
Also you keep bringing up 2004 and 2008, why? It is about matchups in any sport. You also keep saying how Lebron's cast sucks well guess what, they have to be somewhat good they are in the NBA for god's sake. Not just anyone can march in and make an NBA team let alone a starting lineup.
I am in no way a Kobe fan but I'm tired of every post you make ripping on the guy. No one will ever win all the time, it's impossible to say that. Also you bring up Kobe's turnovers did you not watch the Cavs/Celtics series. Game 2 Lebron had 5 TOs, Game 4 7 TOs, Game 5 3 TOs, Game 6 9 TOs, 9 TOs, that's crazy.
The Celtics play great defense, you don't acknowledge that, you blame it on Kobe sucking. If you can honestly say with a straight face that Kobe Bryant sucks then you know absolutely nothing of basketball, and I mean nothing. Is he overrated, yeah probably but so are the other faces of a sport. The leauge/fans say one thing and other tune itno to see if it's true.
Also MVPs mean basically nothing unless you win a ring. Ask Dan Marino that. SO just stop with the intellectually- disabled nonsense and face facts Kobe is either #1 or #2 in the world at playing basketball, if you don't agree with that, then maybe you should jut stop watching it.
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 18:53:12 GMT -5
Didn't LeBron have a 19 rebound triple double in the elimination game? He quit!?!?! a 19 rebound triple double!?!?! The guy had that one terrible game against the Celtics, not 3 in a row! With an injured elbow!?!? Granted, he didn't play up to his usual par but the guy was hurt and looked obviously ginger going to the rim, especially in his terrible game.
His turnovers were high, everybody knows this, but who the hell could he pass to? Where's his Gasol, Odom, Bynum, etc? But yea, I wasn't happy with LeBron's performance all season, you could see in October he was not as determined to win and it looked like he was sick of going against teams like Boston and LA without comparable help. All I am saying is, you give LeBron Gasol and Bynum and tell me there's no championship in the last 3 years....
I don't think Kobe flat out sucks, I think he sucks at times. I've never said he flat out sucks. I've said he sucks when he plays like crap. Everybody knows I give him his credit, I just did less than 20 minutes ago saying he's great.... but one thing keeps bothering me...
I can't figure it out....
Why did Kobe get rid of Shaq again? Wasn't it to win without the best big man in the NBA, so that he could get more credit? That's terrible.
Because now he has 2 of the best big men in the NBA and it's still all about Kobe.
And yea, I agree he's EITHER #1 or #2. I choose #2. THAT'S ALL I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ENTIRE TIME. So what's your point? That LeBron couldn't win a championship if he were in Kobe's position? That Kobe should get some sort of free pass to number 1 for playing with the best big men in the game?
If MVP's mean nothing unless you win a ring, ditto on Kobe's because he didn't win a ring the year he won MVP, either.
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Post by Quanthor on Jun 14, 2010 18:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 18:58:58 GMT -5
Oh no debate over!!!111 Yea Kobe was 31 in that picture, LeBron was 24 that year holding the MVP trophy. While playing with Delonte West in the starting line up.... Let me know when Kobe wins one of those with Delonte West in the starting line up.... |
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jun 14, 2010 19:00:50 GMT -5
Every post you make is about how bad Kobe is. Yeah when any player in any sport plays bad, they suck. Also Did Kobe have already have a ring when he won MVP? If so that makes it a bit more sweeter then being called the best player in the regular season.
You like Lebron more than Kobe that's fine. Hell I like Lebron more than Kobe. But I can quote you 20+ times on how much Kobe sucks. It gets old. Basketball is a team game no one can do it alone but you only point out Kobe's mistakes.
Also you keep forgetting Delonte West, Mo Williams, Jamario Moon are all NBA players meaning they have to have some sort of basketball skills that many, many others such as you and me do not have.
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 19:04:37 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 19:07:55 GMT -5
Every post you make is about how bad Kobe is. Yeah when any player in any sport plays bad, they suck. Also Did Kobe have already have a ring when he won MVP? If so that makes it a bit more sweeter then being called the best player in the regular season. You like Lebron more than Kobe that's fine. Hell I like Lebron more than Kobe. But I can quote you 20+ times on how much Kobe sucks. It gets old. Basketball is a team game no one can do it alone but you only point out Kobe's mistakes. Also you keep forgetting Delonte West, Mo Williams, Jamario Moon are all NBA players meaning they have to have some sort of basketball skills that many, many others such as you and me do not have. At least debating with you about this is worth while. You actually don't ignore valid points. yea but my point is Kobe has sucked more in this playoffs than should be warranted while giving him so much praise. Kobe is playing on a level right now that would have had him eliminated in round 1 if he didn't have those big men down low. Ditto on last season (the Houston and OKC series prove it). I am not forgetting Delonte West, Mo Williams and Jamario Moon are NBA players... I'm just remembering that those guys never played for teams that won more than 35 games before playing with Lebron. Actually, Moon did, but the team was already successful without him.... while Moon was playing in the CBA for the Albany Patroons, right down the street from me. You realize that right? Cleveland gave a big contract to a guy who was playing in an Armory less than 2 years before? |
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jun 14, 2010 19:12:41 GMT -5
Every post you make is about how bad Kobe is. Yeah when any player in any sport plays bad, they suck. Also Did Kobe have already have a ring when he won MVP? If so that makes it a bit more sweeter then being called the best player in the regular season. You like Lebron more than Kobe that's fine. Hell I like Lebron more than Kobe. But I can quote you 20+ times on how much Kobe sucks. It gets old. Basketball is a team game no one can do it alone but you only point out Kobe's mistakes. Also you keep forgetting Delonte West, Mo Williams, Jamario Moon are all NBA players meaning they have to have some sort of basketball skills that many, many others such as you and me do not have. At least debating with you about this is worth while. You actually don't ignore valid points. yea but my point is Kobe has sucked more in this playoffs than should be warranted while giving him so much praise. Kobe is playing on a level right now that would have had him eliminated in round 1 if he didn't have those big men down low. Ditto on last season (the Houston and OKC series prove it). I am not forgetting Delonte West, Mo Williams and Jamario Moon are NBA players... I'm just remembering that those guys never played for teams that won more than 35 games before playing with Lebron. Actually, Moon did, but the team was already successful without him.... while Moon was playing in the CBA for the Albany Patroons, right down the street from me. You realize that right? Cleveland gave a big contract to a guy who was playing in an Armory less than 2 years before? Kobe didn't force Cleveland do to that. You made a statement about how because something or another Kobe should have a free pass. Can the same be said for Lebron, because Cleveland sucks at finding other good-great players Lebron isn't overrated. Sorry but he is, so is Kobe. Kobe isn't playing great but hell when only 2 people on a team score more than 10 points of course it's gonna look ugly. And that goes to Boston's credit. Their defense is great neither Kobe nor Lebron were completely mind-blowing against Boston and for good reason. |
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 19:20:21 GMT -5
At least debating with you about this is worth while. You actually don't ignore valid points. yea but my point is Kobe has sucked more in this playoffs than should be warranted while giving him so much praise. Kobe is playing on a level right now that would have had him eliminated in round 1 if he didn't have those big men down low. Ditto on last season (the Houston and OKC series prove it). I am not forgetting Delonte West, Mo Williams and Jamario Moon are NBA players... I'm just remembering that those guys never played for teams that won more than 35 games before playing with Lebron. Actually, Moon did, but the team was already successful without him.... while Moon was playing in the CBA for the Albany Patroons, right down the street from me. You realize that right? Cleveland gave a big contract to a guy who was playing in an Armory less than 2 years before? Kobe didn't force Cleveland do to that. You made a statement about how because something or another Kobe should have a free pass. Can the same be said for Lebron, because Cleveland sucks at finding other good-great players Lebron isn't overrated. Sorry but he is, so is Kobe. Kobe isn't playing great but hell when only 2 people on a team score more than 10 points of course it's gonna look ugly. And that goes to Boston's credit. Their defense is great neither Kobe nor Lebron were completely mind-blowing against Boston and for good reason. yea bro and my point is, LeBron got whipped down by Boston, too, with less help than Kobe. In 2008 LeBron lost to Boston in a game 7, in Boston with the Celtics fighting him off in the FINAL MINUTE. Kobe's team was embarrassed that year and Kobe had more help. This year, LeBron won his 2 games against Boston and lost to them overall. Kobe MIGHT lose overall, that's what start this debate. I said if Kobe loses to Boston he has to be the most over rated player of all time. I honestly thought in 2008, LeBron should have won MVP over Kobe, but that was just me and of course I'm biased. But it ended up showing in the playoffs. This has been my point, LeBron is playing with some pretty crappy help and competing. Obviously I understand he's not winning championships, but in the last 4 seasons they've been real threats to the title. When Kobe had thrown away Shaq, the Lakers SUCKED until Gasol showed up. They had terrible showings. Even when Kobe and Shaq first played together, they had terrible showings. Go look at the record books, they didn't have impressive regular seasons and they'd get embarrassed in the playoffs. Kobe was over the age of 20. When Lebron was 20, he was in the playoffs, alone. When LeBron was 21, he was in the playoffs and a round further, alone. When he was 22, he was in the Finals, alone. When he was 23, they lost to Boston in 7 games (the only team to take the eventual champion to the limits like that, ONLY TEAM), when LeBron was 24, he was league MVP and lost to Orlando. My point is, LeBron doesn't regress, he only gets better. Kobe has been all over in his career. Great player, but I don't think he's really as elite as people say. He's probably the best streak scorer the game has ever seen... but then again, Paul Pierce is in that talk too. I think if Paul Pierce played his entire career in LA, he's got at least 3 championships, as well, if the circumstances are the same. |
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Post by user9327 on Jun 14, 2010 19:27:39 GMT -5
and I'd like to say this again so I'm clear. I'm all for Kobe coming out and playing his butt off and playing unselfish ball. It would be great for the NBA and great for the game in general. If Kobe has two great games in LA and this team wins, that's awesome. But if he loses, I'm sorry, he played terrible in this playoffs for a guy who's supposed to be in the debate for best in the game. But, I understand your point that I continually bring this up and hate on the guy. So, I'll take your point and try to chill out. It just drives me nuts that people don't see this crap on their own. Maybe I look for it, but I've been watching the guy for over 13 years... I've seen a lot of it. I think everybody knows my feelings on the guy, I'll try to chill out on killing him all the time. So yea, I do need to shut the up a little... even if I've made some valid points. So much for pointless debates... |
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Post by LA Times on Jun 14, 2010 21:56:45 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for a Kobe fan to explain 2004 or 2008 to me. I bring things up like those embarrassing losses and it never gets acknowledged but then I'm told I just like tagging Kobe. No actually, I used to hate Paul Pierce even more but he's shown he's a team player who appreciates his surroundings and I've shut the up about it. Or what about the year Kobe was trying to lead the Lakers to the playoffs and they eliminated themselves by going 2-17 to finish the year? Or... the 2 years starting with Shaq in which they sucked in the playoffs and never met the Bulls in the Finals. Shaq was arguably the best player in the NBA and fresh off a Finals run with Orlando. But in LA he struggled for a few years. But in Miami with Wade they were instantly in the Conf Finals and then Champions the next year. Or... Just the straight up fact that when Kobe has not had Shaq or Gasol and Bynum on the roster, they've either missed the playoffs or been eliminated early. When LeBron plays with nobody, he goes to the Finals. Then there's the best record in NBA and league MVP two years in a row while playing with Mo Williams. Are you kidding me?! Kobe got bounced in the first round HOW many years while playing with Shaq? You realize Kobe was the same age as LeBron was when LeBron went to the Finals? Kobe was that age and getting swept in the playoffs with Shaq. My point is, LeBron has never underacheived, never. Name me one NBA champion, let alone Finals appearance, where the second option was the caliber of Mo Williams or Delonte West? It's hilarious that Kobe is playing with a bunch if all stars right now and LeBron has the guy who helped the Bucks with 30 games, the Celtics win 30 games (West), the Wizards win 30 games (Jamison) and a coach with no previous head coaching experience. In comparison to Kobe who has, well... let's just start with Artest, almost beat the Lakers in a 7 game series last year without Yao and might be a top 15 player. Pau Gasol, has to be a top 10 player in the least, top 3 big man in the least. Bynum, he's better than any other player listed as starting Center (not power forward) except for Dwight Howard. Lamar Odom, the guy is nearly 7 foot and is capable of winning playoff series' without Kobe (in Miami). Derek Fisher, more experience than the entire Cavs Backcourt combined. Then there's Phil Jackson (oh yea Phil Jackson... or is it Mike Brown that makes LeBron over rated?) last but not least, while playing with all of this, Kobe has faced game 7's to Houston and OKC in the last two years. LeBron is 25 years old and has accomplished this. Kobe wins 3 titles after losing a few years with Shaq and that's not something Paul Pierce couldn't have done? annnnnd, all of LeBron's team mates on Cleveland before this season had never won a playoff series. Then he got Shaq and Jamison, who I think it's safe to dub past their prime. If Kobe loses this series he's over rated. Cleveland lost to this same team. Who did LA go though before Boston? The 8 seed? The 4 seed? If they lose to Boston, beating the Suns this season, winning a title last year when Garnett and Yao Ming were hurt and losing in 2008 like they did, isn't over rated? In 2008 and now potentially 2010, he's losing to the same opponent as LeBron but with more talent around him. In 2009 they were a missed layup and a Trevor Ariza steal away from being down 3-1 in the Finals. They did beat Denver, but the Houston series was pathetic. Houston didn't have a player over 6'9". My point is, Kobe underachieves. He should have at least 6 or 7 titles right now. I think he's talented as they come and has great ability, but he's blown it a lot and needs a tremendous amount of help to win. I'm sure this post will cause some people to get mad and use naughty words to say some unfavorable things. But I'm also sure no one will acknowledge the things I said, just like last night. I posted a gripe about 2008 and 2004 and it was ignored and instead I was told off or something. Keep it on topic, if you don't like what I say about Kobe, talk about Kobe... don't talk about me in your defense of Kobe Bryant only having 4 rings while playing with HOFers for over 10 years combined. If LeBron plays with some better players next year, we'll see who's over rated. Because the only thing on the Cavs that is over rated, are all of these 30 win players that can't score in the second half of a playoff game. Just remember, Kobe played with Caron Butler and Lamar Odom and won 34 games. Love it. What would Kobe have accomplished with the Charlotte Hornets if he played out a rookie contract with them instead of pulling the "I Only Play for the Lakers" crap? |
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