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Post by kyleturris on Nov 20, 2009 20:08:40 GMT -5
Didn't Denver only win one game last year in the series? or two
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Post by spreedom8 on Nov 20, 2009 20:29:28 GMT -5
Denver I think has a better chance to win than the Lakers this year IMO. PG: Derek Fisher vs. Billups= Billups is 10x better. SG: Bryant vs. Aaron Afflalo= Bryant, but Aaron has great defense on Kobe. SF: Ron Artest vs. Carmelo= Easily Carmelo. PF: Pau Gasol vs. Kenyon Martin= Gasol C: Bynum vs. Nene= Bynum Backcourt: Smith is better then Brown. Ty Lawson is betetr then Farmar. Andersen is better then Powell. This would be a pretty even game, but I agree, The Nuggets would get the win over LA. There are a handul of differences here: 1.) The Lakers have a few players that can be huge difference makers on BOTH sides of the ball. Kobe and Artest are 2 of the 5 best defenders at the swing positions, Gasol was blocking shots all over the place in the Finals, and Odom can legitimately guard 3 positions with great success. The only player on the Nuggets that can be a difference-maker consistently on both ends of the ball is Billups. 2.) The Nuggets had EVERYTHING going right for them last season. The Billups trade was just the shot in the arm Carmelo Anthony needed, but there are way too many X factors on the roster (JR Smith, Kenyon Martin, Nene) and if they lose any of those three players for a significant period of time, they're going to struggle because they lose a lot of versatility and depth. The Lakers meanwhile are going to be a top 5 team in the league as long as Kobe and 2 other starters are healthy... and we all know that Kobe and Ron are both going to be on their best behavior as long as things are going well. 3.) The Lakers are MUCH better coached than the Nuggets. George Karl is a ticking time bomb as a coach and is eventually going to say something wrong or make a terrible coaching decision that's going to create a distraction. It's happened everywhere else he's coached. Meanwhile, Phil Jackson is arguably the best coach in the history of American team sports. The Lakers are definitely better than the sum of their parts because they're completely behind their coach. Honestly, the gap probably isn't enormous, but I really don't see a whole lot of areas where the Nuggets are undoubtedly better off besides the starters at the 1 & 3 spots (where the Lakers have more depth on the bench).
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Post by extreme on Nov 20, 2009 20:49:43 GMT -5
Didn't Denver only win one game last year in the series? or two Two but Trevor Ariza was the biggest reason why the Lakers won that series. If he hadn't played as well as he did that series, I'm sure Denver would have made it to the finals.
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Post by kyleturris on Nov 20, 2009 21:09:16 GMT -5
Didn't Denver only win one game last year in the series? or two Two but Trevor Ariza was the biggest reason why the Lakers won that series. If he hadn't played as well as he did that series, I'm sure Denver would have made it to the finals. yeah thats it, nothing to do with Kobe.
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Post by extreme on Nov 20, 2009 22:29:30 GMT -5
Two but Trevor Ariza was the biggest reason why the Lakers won that series. If he hadn't played as well as he did that series, I'm sure Denver would have made it to the finals. yeah thats it, nothing to do with Kobe. Of course Kobe contributed a lot but Ariza was the one who got the critical steals and blocks that were converted into points for them to win the series. Every game except one that the Lakers won were a win by less than 10 points. The Nuggets got their hands full with guarding Kobe,and at the same time they just didn't know how to guard and play offense against Ariza's lanky-ass arms. Game 1: Game 3: I rest my case.
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Post by kyleturris on Nov 20, 2009 22:59:20 GMT -5
Guess we'll see in the playoffs.. if denver even makes it to play LA again
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Post by user9327 on Nov 20, 2009 23:52:20 GMT -5
Getting Iverson would take time away form guys they're trying to develop and Wilson Chandler makes about a million bucks per year for the next 3 years after this. For what he's shown he can do, that's a great contract. they've been developing guys for a decade now. Oh they have? Then why have Jamal Crawford and Stephon Marbury taken more shots than anybody this decade?
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Post by user9327 on Nov 20, 2009 23:54:49 GMT -5
The Lakers have more talent than anybody in the league.
If you take Kobe off that team they still have a chance to go deep in the playoffs.
If you took just Bynum or Gasol off and left the rest, they still are the favorite to win the championship with the way they've been playing.
Boston is the only team that as of this point looks like they could stand a chance because they bring defense, serious defense. That's all that anyone can hope for while playing LA. But LA is just too big overall and to beat them 4 times in 7 games is going to be hard... but the same can be said about Boston.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Nov 21, 2009 1:40:44 GMT -5
On behalf of NBA Experts, the OKC Thunder, and the other 28 NBA Teams:
Suck It Washington Wizards.
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Post by kyleturris on Nov 21, 2009 12:25:39 GMT -5
they've been developing guys for a decade now. Oh they have? Then why have Jamal Crawford and Stephon Marbury taken more shots than anybody this decade? it was a joke.. just like the knicks in general
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Post by instant classic on Nov 21, 2009 14:30:03 GMT -5
Artest is 1000x better than Ariza.... and if Bynum stays healthy nobody will beat the lakers come june.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 21, 2009 14:41:54 GMT -5
Oh they have? Then why have Jamal Crawford and Stephon Marbury taken more shots than anybody this decade? it was a joke.. just like the knicks in general We shall see this Summer, won't we?
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Post by Quanthor on Nov 21, 2009 15:26:07 GMT -5
Artest is 1000x better than Ariza.... and if Bynum stays healthy nobody will beat the lakers come june. Artest is the better player, but I'm not convinced he's the better fit. Outside of Gasol and Kobe, the one guy for the Lakers last year in the postseason that made big play after big play and hit big shot after big shot was Trevor Ariza. Artest can be streaky and doesn't particularly hit from from the outside that well and has a knack for wanting to shoot the ball too much. He's also not locking guys down like he did in the past, he's still a great intimidating defender but he's not as quick as he use to be. What I'm saying is that Artest, likely isn't getting those inbound steals or making half of Ariza's shots. To me, the Lakers were already stacked and didn't need another star, there's a lot more value in a great roll player like Ariza, Posey or Horry who can perform in big game situations on a contender than a guy like Artest.
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Post by user9327 on Nov 21, 2009 15:34:18 GMT -5
yea I agree with quanthor but one thing he's forgetting is that Artest is going to get mad and challenge those guys if they are taking games off early in the series or half assing it.
Ariza was bailing that team out of those situations at times, their identity has changed with Artest and the championship from last year.
Let's face it, Denver might be able to compete against them but with how bad the Spurs are looking, nobody is going to stop LA. The Spurs just came out and said they won't be resigning Ginobili because he can't stay healthy. That's the first sign of them ever saying it may be time to go in another direction/partial signs of turning the corner. Parker can't stay healthy either, it appears.
With the improvements of Bynum and the solidification of Gasol as a potential top 5 player last season, the Lakers are just too big to be stopped, even if the guard play is shut down. No one can bang around with them for 48 minutes and expect to keep up. They are just too big. It's three 7 footers on both ends of the court along with Kobe and Artest.
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Post by extreme on Nov 21, 2009 15:37:12 GMT -5
Artest is 1000x better than Ariza.... and if Bynum stays healthy nobody will beat the lakers come june. Artest is the better player, but I'm not convinced he's the better fit. Outside of Gasol and Kobe, the one guy for the Lakers last year in the postseason that made big play after big play and hit big shot after big shot was Trevor Ariza. Artest can be streaky and doesn't particularly hit from from the outside that well and has a knack for wanting to shoot the ball too much. He's also not locking guys down like he did in the past, he's still a great intimidating defender but he's not as quick as he use to be. What I'm saying is that Artest, likely isn't getting those inbound steals or making half of Ariza's shots. To me, the Lakers were already stacked and didn't need another star, there's a lot more value in a great roll player like Ariza, Posey or Horry who can perform in big game situations on a contender than a guy like Artest. Not to mention Ariza is only 24 which gives him loads of time to improve and become a franchise player. Artest is already steadily declining in his abilities and has maybe 5 or 6 more seasons left in him. If the Lakers had signed Artest when they originally planned to a few years ago they would have gotten more benefit from Artest. Artest is good don't get me wrong but Ariza has loads of potential as well. You can't say he wasn't a big part of the championship season last year because he was.
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Post by kyleturris on Nov 21, 2009 15:50:39 GMT -5
it was a joke.. just like the knicks in general We shall see this Summer, won't we? you're real ignorant if you are implying that LeBron is going to the big apple outside of the once a year visit for a triple-double and a beatdown of the knicks
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Post by user9327 on Nov 21, 2009 16:01:41 GMT -5
We shall see this Summer, won't we? you're real ignorant if you are implying that LeBron is going to the big apple outside of the once a year visit for a triple-double and a beatdown of the knicks You know, you're completely right. I AM ignorant for not knowing the future like you do. Thanks for telling me what the future is! Now I can just give up on the Knicks right now! Can you tell me what year I'm going to die in, too!?!?
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Post by kyleturris on Nov 21, 2009 16:38:26 GMT -5
you're real ignorant if you are implying that LeBron is going to the big apple outside of the once a year visit for a triple-double and a beatdown of the knicks You know, you're completely right. I AM ignorant for not knowing the future like you do. Thanks for telling me what the future is! Now I can just give up on the Knicks right now! Can you tell me what year I'm going to die in, too!?!? the funny thing is you're being serious. why the would LeBron in his right mind want to go to New York and play? Every year he goes in there and smashes them.. he obviously sees that the pieces in new york are no better than what he has in cleveland. but good luck kid
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Post by spreedom8 on Nov 21, 2009 18:06:07 GMT -5
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Post by abyss on Nov 21, 2009 18:21:32 GMT -5
At first I thought he shot at the wrong basket by accident, but it looks like he did it on purpose. Regardless, another boneheaded move by the Knicks. At least they won today. Although I was hoping they'd lose because if they did, then maybe they would begin to re-think their decision to not pick up Iverson.
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