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Post by user9327 on May 21, 2010 17:18:35 GMT -5
Jamal, I'd rather pass the ball to Danilo, Chandler or Lee wide open than anybody on the Nets. At least the Knicks make clutch shots and beat teams like the Celtics and play the Lakers close in both games. The Nets are a freaking joke and deserve to get the 3rd pick. The Knicks actually showed life this year. Cleveland or Chicago with LeBron still aren't getting by teams like the Celtics or Magic. Neither are the Nets, lol. The nets are filled with guys who miss wide open shots against the Clippers. The Knicks are filled with catch and shoot role players who have played effective defense against the Celtics and Lakers multiple times while undersized. Don't take my word for it. Just watch next season when a FA or 3 come and this team is legit. ur such a homer haha actually, every thing I said is true. But how would you know otherwise? You watch the Knicks and Nets consistently? So is this that trolling thing? PS: The Nets core building blocks, Lopez and Harris... didn't even combine to win 15 games last year. Forget that they had Courtney Lee, even Terrence Morris and his rookie triple double, forget all that... because they had 1 win in January. One, win. Yet I'm a homer for telling the truth about the Knicks. Look if you don't want to give them credit, that's one thing. But don't act like you know anything about the Knicks further than the fact that they've lost a lot in the last 10 years.
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Post by user9327 on May 21, 2010 19:25:48 GMT -5
sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5208043Well, there you go. I'd say Jersey is out of it. edit: Factor this, even if LeBron goes to Chicago, they'd be maxed and would have to sign and trade for Bosh. That contract is going to be a max. Say bye bye to either Noah or Rose... and if not those guys, draft picks and gigantic portions of that supporting cast. Toronto isn't taking on just crap contracts like Kirk Hinrich just to help Bosh and the Chicago Bulls. Bare in mind the Knicks could easily sign both LeBron and Bosh and still have more money left over for another FA this Summer and another 15 million next Summer.
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Post by twinn on May 22, 2010 4:22:35 GMT -5
Chill out moron, it was a ing joke
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Post by Quanthor on May 22, 2010 13:06:08 GMT -5
Again, where players play doesn't matter. Money and market> everything else. That to me puts Brooklyn still pretty high on that list. Just because "one source" said Bosh would like to play with LeBron, doesn't mean that LeBron is going to go out of his way and change what he wants to make it happen. If James wants to play with the Nets or the Cavs, he will do it regardless of what anybody else wants him to do.
That article also says that Toronto is seeking a sign and trade deal in the event they don't keep Bosh. Bosh also prefers that option because he can make more money that way. What does NY have?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 22, 2010 15:06:30 GMT -5
actually, every thing I said is true. But how would you know otherwise? You watch the Knicks and Nets consistently? So is this that trolling thing? PS: The Nets core building blocks, Lopez and Harris... didn't even combine to win 15 games last year. Forget that they had Courtney Lee, even Terrence Morris and his rookie triple double, forget all that... because they had 1 win in January. One, win. Yet I'm a homer for telling the truth about the Knicks. Look if you don't want to give them credit, that's one thing. But don't act like you know anything about the Knicks further than the fact that they've lost a lot in the last 10 years. I agree and disagree with both of you here: Obviously, Lee/Danilo/Chandler is a solid building core, but aside from Danilo, is Lee going to be back next year? No probably not, hes sign and trade bait or a back back back up option in FA. Chandler is talented, but now a bonehead. Who is to say he is not a sign and trade candidate? Of course winning on "Broadway" and bringing back basketball in NY is a draw in of itself, but what happens if Amare comes....and no one else? Is it worth it then? Lopez in particular is the best talent from these two teams, and Harris some days could be right there with him. I LOVE Terrence Williams, but then again is Lee/Chanlder/Curry/Gallinari or Lopez/Harris/Williams enough for a title? Of course not. I can see the lure of the Nets though....new owner, new team location, name in a few years, building from the ground up with an owner who is compared to Mark Cuban who would do ANYTHING to make a winner. I can see the draws there too. Have an input in the naming maybe? etc. NY is in a tough situation, they could sign Lebron and be fine or they could miss, and wind up with Bosh/Johnson and not be a title contender, where as the Nets could keep rebuilding and be fine eventually. I do believe the Raptors would take a Hinrich, a Deng (Who would be the preferred sign n trade player), or shredding salary for Bosh. If the guy isnt coming back, why not get SOMETHING, even if its salary relief. Derek Rose is signed for 3 more years, the money will be do-able to lock him up and Noah 2. I mean no one is close to NY in cap space, but Chicago is right up there especially if they can deal Deng or Hinrich in a sign and trade. Chris Bosh is a goner, Wade stays, Lebron is 50/50 but I dont think NY is where he ends up. I think it's 3rd behind Chicago and Cleveland.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 22, 2010 15:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 16:11:06 GMT -5
I really knew sh*t would hit the fan in here as this LeBron and potential Knicks mania got closer.
Ralpho makes the most sense.
But the bottom line is any one could see NY is the logical favorite if he leaves Cleveland. The Bulls giving up Deng or Hinrich (Toronto would have to be crazy, Hedo is there) is going to start getting WHO to fill out the starting 5?
See that's where this all gets lame for me; that's the same logic people use to argue against the Knicks. Yet they have a boat load more in cap space for 2 years.
I've had to sit here and watch espn and a lot of fans be bitter pants and scuff at FA's coming to NY because apparently it makes them mad to give it validity. As a knicks fan I finally see slight jealousy.
I've had to sit here for 10 days already and hear about why Chicago or NJ situations that would potentially have Flip Murray and Courtney Lee at starting two guard are A. drastically better than Cleveland and B. Better than the Knicks 37.5 mil and 15 mil in money to spend over the next two seasons while already having a point guard, 2 guard, and 7 ft small forward on the roster for small, mutiple year contracts.
I'm not saying LeBron is definitely coming to the Knicks. But judging by what I've seen already, if he does, people are going to cryyyyy and cryyyyy some more while talking about what could have been in Brooklyn with the less than 15 win, less comparable roster situation Nets if the Knicks struggle for a minute.
I want Stephon Marbury back... at least then we were morons for legitimate reasons.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 16:14:57 GMT -5
imagine Dirk and LeBron on the same team a long shot but a dream combination. oh and as for your question about is it worth it for the Knicks? It's absolutely worth it, nearly 50 million in cap space will allow us to compete in the least. Like I said all along, I'd be happy with Boozer and Johnson. Even Amare is a big part of why the Suns are in the Western Finals. Because our only other option was to resign Marbury and David Lee and keep running that lame pick and roll/pop. Yes, it was worth it.
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Post by Quanthor on May 22, 2010 16:37:03 GMT -5
As a Blazer fan, I'm actually more interested in sellers than where all these over priced free agents land. I want to know who's available via a trade in hopes of making this team better.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 16:43:12 GMT -5
I think the Blazers are already set for reasonable contention (yes I mean the title), if they can keep it together and healthy. They're just young and haven't gotten a full season together.
Camby and Aldridge is as good of big man duo you are going to muster up in this league and then you add in Batum and old man Juwan Howard. They've got what they need there. Between Roy, Rudy, Webster, Bayless, etc., they've got a nice team. Maybe adding in one more player could help, but the Andre Miller move really solidified them as best as they can be without making major changes.
Oh yea, if Greg Oden ever wants to have a career, he's a nice piece too. Blazers are more than OK, if the Suns can get this far with that roster so can the Blazers.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 16:48:01 GMT -5
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 22, 2010 17:09:19 GMT -5
I have a boner at the thought of Dirk signing with the Suns
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Post by Quanthor on May 22, 2010 17:27:31 GMT -5
I think the Blazers are already set for reasonable contention (yes I mean the title), if they can keep it together and healthy. They're just young and haven't gotten a full season together. Camby and Aldridge is as good of big man duo you are going to muster up in this league and then you add in Batum and old man Juwan Howard. They've got what they need there. Between Roy, Rudy, Webster, Bayless, etc., they've got a nice team. Maybe adding in one more player could help, but the Andre Miller move really solidified them as best as they can be without making major changes. Oh yea, if Greg Oden ever wants to have a career, he's a nice piece too. Blazers are more than OK, if the Suns can get this far with that roster so can the Blazers. Nah, they're a lot farther back then what was once thought. Oden is the key to their success, but it doen't look like he's ever going to amount to much at this point...there's still time but it don't look good. Aldridge is weak mentally and doesn't have much of an inside game, nor will he ever. Miller isn't a good fit, he's had some great individual games for the club but he doesn't compliment Roy's game because he can't spread the floor and shoot. He also plays too much off the dribble which supresses ball movement. Rudy wants out because he hates Nate's slow methodical system. Webster is streaky, but there's room for improvement. Bayless has awful BBIQ, he makes some of the dumbest decisions with the ball I've ever seen come from a pro. Also, without his speed, he's useless. Batum I think will make the all-defensive team if he stays healthy and if he continues to improve his offensive game he can be an all-star caliber player. The team lacks consistency off the bench and points in the paint. Neither of those will improve without changes or unless Oden lives up to his promise. I'm a firm believer you can't just wait and see if a guy will develop into something special because more often than not, they don't. They need to move these pieces while they're still desirable, especially with Roy's bum knees. At this point they gotta hit the accelerator. All you have is one top ten caliber guy in Roy and softy Aldridge who might be somewhere in the 50 range. If LBJ can't win with Williams and Jamison, I highly doubt Roy can win with LMA and Miller.
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Post by twinn on May 22, 2010 18:14:27 GMT -5
I have a boner at the thought of Dirk signing with the Suns You sure do get a lot of boners
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 19:00:54 GMT -5
Dirk isn't opting out because he thinks Cuban is a "clown" -- he's doing it so he can sign a longer contract with a smaller annual salary so the Mavs have more cap space. I guarantee he signs for less than the $20M he was owned.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 22, 2010 19:08:40 GMT -5
Dirk isn't opting out because he thinks Cuban is a "clown" -- he's doing it so he can sign a longer contract with a smaller annual salary so the Mavs have more cap space. I guarantee he signs for less than the $20M he was owned. Or he wants to max his deal and see what else is out there. You dont opt out unless you want to explore the market, you can re-work and re-sign WITHOUT opting out. There is more to this than just extending his deal
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Post by raabhimselffanv2 on May 22, 2010 20:28:57 GMT -5
I really hope Lebron James goes to NY or NJ. Why? So he is no where near California.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 20:47:30 GMT -5
I'll just say... If Dirk leaves the Mavericks I will stop watching basketball. That's how confident I am that he stays.
S&T LeBron for Butler/Dampier/Beaubois anyone? Wouldn't shock me.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 20:50:23 GMT -5
Rondo is teaching Jameer Nelson "why it's bad to be a shoot first or dribble flashy point guard" through example right now.
Celtics look like they have just as good of a chance at the title as the Lakers.
Dirk on the Suns would be great to see. Don't know why he'd opt out to take less money than he was owed, doesn't make much sense to me.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 20:53:35 GMT -5
I'll just say... If Dirk leaves the Mavericks I will stop watching basketball. That's how confident I am that he stays. S&T LeBron for Butler/Dampier/Beaubois anyone? Wouldn't shock me. ... did somebody hack your account?
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