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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 21:23:48 GMT -5
I'll just say... If Dirk leaves the Mavericks I will stop watching basketball. That's how confident I am that he stays. S&T LeBron for Butler/Dampier/Beaubois anyone? Wouldn't shock me. ... did somebody hack your account? What do you mean? |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 21:29:20 GMT -5
JVG reaming the Magic right now. Liking what he's saying.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 22, 2010 21:31:27 GMT -5
I dont think Dirk leaves, but the fact he is opting out shows you he wants to see whats out there
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 21:33:24 GMT -5
We'll see.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 21:33:28 GMT -5
well, I mean... you're implying, or rather guaranteeing that Dirk is going to opt out to accept the salary of less than a Franchise player (after you defended he was one and they could win a championship with him as one) and then claiming the Mavs are in play with a Cavs signing and trading of LeBron for Caron Butler (a guy you were painting into so worthless and much fault 2 weeks ago), Erick Dampier (oh my God, just oh my God) and Beaubois for LeBron James... and it wouldn't surprise you.
It just... I wasn't sure if it was real... or serious.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 21:36:06 GMT -5
I think Dirk leaves if there is a better offer in terms of an instant chance to win a championship but he's going to have to take a serious cut in the pay he's used to.
It's likely he stays, but one way or the other, if he wants to win a championship he can't be the Franchise player on a max contract, as said previously.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 21:45:39 GMT -5
well, I mean... you're implying, or rather guaranteeing that Dirk is going to opt out to accept the salary of less than a Franchise player (after you defended he was one and they could win a championship with him as one) and then claiming the Mavs are in play with a Cavs signing and trading of LeBron for Caron Butler (a guy you were painting into so worthless and much fault 2 weeks ago), Erick Dampier (oh my God, just oh my God) and Beaubois for LeBron James... and it wouldn't surprise you. It just... I wasn't sure if it was real... or serious. Dampier's contract isn't guaranteed (biggest trade asset in the league this summer), Butler expires next year, and Beaubois is one of the hottest prospects in the league. Sounds as good as Cleveland could realistically get unless they just plan to let him walk w/o a sign and trade. That's all assuming he wants to walk and the Cavs decide to rebuild. And I stand by all comments I've made in the past about Dirk, LeBron, Butler, Ralpho's mother, etc. |
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 21:47:21 GMT -5
well let's just put it this way...
if Cuban loses Nash and Dirk in his ownership I'd say you can put the nail in the coffin on his run in the NBA front office and hands on approach
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 22:04:27 GMT -5
I'd probably have to agree there.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 22, 2010 22:12:49 GMT -5
well, I mean... you're implying, or rather guaranteeing that Dirk is going to opt out to accept the salary of less than a Franchise player (after you defended he was one and they could win a championship with him as one) and then claiming the Mavs are in play with a Cavs signing and trading of LeBron for Caron Butler (a guy you were painting into so worthless and much fault 2 weeks ago), Erick Dampier (oh my God, just oh my God) and Beaubois for LeBron James... and it wouldn't surprise you. It just... I wasn't sure if it was real... or serious. Dampier's contract isn't guaranteed (biggest trade asset in the league this summer), Butler expires next year, and Beaubois is one of the hottest prospects in the league. Sounds as good as Cleveland could realistically get unless they just plan to let him walk w/o a sign and trade. That's all assuming he wants to walk and the Cavs decide to rebuild. And I stand by all comments I've made in the past about Dirk, LeBron, Butler, Ralpho's mother, etc. Better hide all the sharp objects when Dirk joins Nash in Phoenix. Ummmm Orlando, nice job showing up tonight |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 22, 2010 22:43:19 GMT -5
Orlando's effort tonight was definitely pitiful... but with how well Boston is playing right now, it probably didn't even matter.
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Post by user9327 on May 22, 2010 23:36:54 GMT -5
Orlando doesn't have a point guard to run the offense or keep it relevant to the game as much as possible.
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Post by Quanthor on May 22, 2010 23:37:27 GMT -5
If I'm Cleveland, there's no way in hell I do a S&T and give LBJ all that money to play somewhere else. That money is the only bargaining chip they have and if he leaves they are screwed for the forseeable future no matter what crap they might get in return in a S&T deal.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 0:34:13 GMT -5
Orlando doesn't have a point guard to run the offense or keep it relevant to the game as much as possible. I don't think point guard is the problem for them, especially in this series. Besides Dwight (sometimes) and Vince (sometimes), Nelson and JJ Redick are the only two Magic players that are playing well right now. Granted, Rondo is slicing and dicing Nelson, but he'd probably be this productive against anyone right now. Rondo's playing at top-10 level right now and I don't think any PG in the league save for Chris Paul could even touch him right now. Orlando's problem is that the three-ball isn't falling and Dwight isn't acting decisively enough in the post. Kendrick Perkins defends D12 better than anyone in the league and it allows the Celtics to stay home on the shooters. If Dwight had one or two unstoppable or even consistent post moves, the Magic would have probably won this series. But he doesn't have that, so the perimeter game isn't working, and the good shooters (other than Nelson and Redick) are playing extremely lazily. This is really sad to see. |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 0:37:08 GMT -5
If I'm Cleveland, there's no way in hell I do a S&T and give LBJ all that money to play somewhere else. That money is the only bargaining chip they have and if he leaves they are screwed for the forseeable future no matter what crap they might get in return in a S&T deal. So if LeBron walked up to you as GM of the Cavs and said "Sign and trade me or I walk for nothing" you'd just tell him to get lost instead of exploring every possible trade option? I still honestly think LeBron will end up staying in Cleveland, but if or when he does leave, I definitely think it will be via sign and trade. The Cavs would be really stupid if they end up losing him for nothing because the roster will be really hard to rework if they decide they need to blow it up. |
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Post by Quanthor on May 23, 2010 1:21:53 GMT -5
If I'm Cleveland, there's no way in hell I do a S&T and give LBJ all that money to play somewhere else. That money is the only bargaining chip they have and if he leaves they are screwed for the forseeable future no matter what crap they might get in return in a S&T deal. So if LeBron walked up to you as GM of the Cavs and said "Sign and trade me or I walk for nothing" you'd just tell him to get lost instead of exploring every possible trade option? I still honestly think LeBron will end up staying in Cleveland, but if or when he does leave, I definitely think it will be via sign and trade. The Cavs would be really stupid if they end up losing him for nothing because the roster will be really hard to rework if they decide they need to blow it up. You're not getting equal value or a building block in return...so what's the point? So you can gift wrap a deal for a player that just spurned you? Trade a guy who's the biggest star in Cleveland sports history since Jim Brown? I can't imagine that going over very well and you're not helping your club either. - They are screwed, the only way to speed up the the rebuilding process is to dump all the talent they have and suck ass as quickly as possible to get back into the lottery and not by trading for complimentary pieces. If they get average players in return...what does that do for them? |
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Post by user9327 on May 23, 2010 3:42:39 GMT -5
So if LeBron walked up to you as GM of the Cavs and said "Sign and trade me or I walk for nothing" you'd just tell him to get lost instead of exploring every possible trade option? I still honestly think LeBron will end up staying in Cleveland, but if or when he does leave, I definitely think it will be via sign and trade. The Cavs would be really stupid if they end up losing him for nothing because the roster will be really hard to rework if they decide they need to blow it up. You're not getting equal value or a building block in return...so what's the point? So you can gift wrap a deal for a player that just spurned you? Trade a guy who's the biggest star in Cleveland sports history since Jim Brown? I can't imagine that going over very well and you're not helping your club either. - They are screwed, the only way to speed up the the rebuilding process is to dump all the talent they have and suck ass as quickly as possible to get back into the lottery and not by trading for complimentary pieces. If they get average players in return...what does that do for them?they turn into the the Knicks from 2001-2010 |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 7:17:07 GMT -5
So if LeBron walked up to you as GM of the Cavs and said "Sign and trade me or I walk for nothing" you'd just tell him to get lost instead of exploring every possible trade option? I still honestly think LeBron will end up staying in Cleveland, but if or when he does leave, I definitely think it will be via sign and trade. The Cavs would be really stupid if they end up losing him for nothing because the roster will be really hard to rework if they decide they need to blow it up. You're not getting equal value or a building block in return...so what's the point? So you can gift wrap a deal for a player that just spurned you? Trade a guy who's the biggest star in Cleveland sports history since Jim Brown? I can't imagine that going over very well and you're not helping your club either. - They are screwed, the only way to speed up the the rebuilding process is to dump all the talent they have and suck ass as quickly as possible to get back into the lottery and not by trading for complimentary pieces. If they get average players in return...what does that do for them? First of all, LOL at ever getting "equal value" when trading arguably the best player in the league. They wouldn't get the best player from any team, so "equal value" needs to get thrown out the window right now. In the Dallas trade, they get Rodrigue Beaubois, who is as good a prospect as there is out West on teams that are realistically going to try to get in the mix for LeBron. Hell, unless they got Brook Lopez in return for LeBron, who exactly should they expect to get? At least with Butler, they get a one-year rental on a guy that's bee productive in the past few years. But by all means, go ahead and lose him for absolutely nothing if you can. Doesn't make their existing contracts any easier to trade, whereas one year of staying somewhat competitive builds their value. |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 7:18:43 GMT -5
I guess it sort of goes without saying, but Cleveland would likely get draft picks in any trade too.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 23, 2010 10:23:45 GMT -5
Gonna go out on a limb and say Lebron will not go to the Mavs, very little chance of that happening. I understand Dampier being valuable for the cap space, BUT if the Cavs lose Lebron they have a ton of cap space, Butler is kinda useless to a team like the Cavs and Beaubois is talented and all.
I just dont think he wants to go nor winds up there
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