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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 23, 2010 10:35:28 GMT -5
Amare Stoudemire doesn't know if he would re-sign with the Suns this summer even if they offered him a maximum contract.
"I’m not sure only because I want to win a championship," said Stoudemire. "Cash is one thing, but winning is the ultimate goal." It sounds like he's conceding that the Suns, down 0-2 in the Western Conference finals, aren't built for a championship. According to a source close to Amare, he also feels "disrespected" by the Suns after they dangled him in trades for the past two seasons.
The night before the biggest game of the year, your star says this.
What a disgrace, no one should want to give him max moneyq
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Post by Jamal on May 23, 2010 10:56:24 GMT -5
Stoudemire definitely doesn't deserve a max contract, but some team will obviously give him what he wants sadly.
In terms of Forwards in FA (not counting LBJ), I'd go for Bosh, or hell even Boozer before I'd go for this bum.
As for LeBron going to the Mavericks, I just don't see him wanting to go there. Hes used to being a face a whole state. He'd be a sideshow to the Cowboys in Dallas, and he probably knows that.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 10:57:24 GMT -5
Gonna go out on a limb and say Lebron will not go to the Mavs, very little chance of that happening. I understand Dampier being valuable for the cap space, BUT if the Cavs lose Lebron they have a ton of cap space, Butler is kinda useless to a team like the Cavs and Beaubois is talented and all. I just dont think he wants to go nor winds up there Actually the Cavs are only a little under the cap if they let LeBron walk. If they follow that by finding a taker for Jamison and Mo Williams, then they're really in business. And I agree that it won't happen, but I'd say of all of the teams currently over the cap, the Mavs have as good a chance as anyone. And Amar''''''e being a grade-A douche is to the surprise of no one. |
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Post by Quanthor on May 23, 2010 12:55:49 GMT -5
You're not getting equal value or a building block in return...so what's the point? So you can gift wrap a deal for a player that just spurned you? Trade a guy who's the biggest star in Cleveland sports history since Jim Brown? I can't imagine that going over very well and you're not helping your club either. - They are screwed, the only way to speed up the the rebuilding process is to dump all the talent they have and suck ass as quickly as possible to get back into the lottery and not by trading for complimentary pieces. If they get average players in return...what does that do for them? First of all, LOL at ever getting "equal value" when trading arguably the best player in the league. They wouldn't get the best player from any team, so "equal value" needs to get thrown out the window right now. In the Dallas trade, they get Rodrigue Beaubois, who is as good a prospect as there is out West on teams that are realistically going to try to get in the mix for LeBron. Hell, unless they got Brook Lopez in return for LeBron, who exactly should they expect to get? At least with Butler, they get a one-year rental on a guy that's bee productive in the past few years. But by all means, go ahead and lose him for absolutely nothing if you can. Doesn't make their existing contracts any easier to trade, whereas one year of staying somewhat competitive builds their value. Your homerism is reaching beyond the bounds of my imagination. Beaubois isn't a building block or a franchise player, he's a complimentary piece that will help them do nothing. This league is also saturated with guards, shit, they have a few of them already on their freaking team. It's not gonna be hard for them to find one once they ever get around to actually NEEDING one. Butler helps them win, which delays the rebuilding process. Again, they need to lose as quickly as possible and not win. He also puts money back on the books for another year. What's the point, if LBJ is leaving, they can have money come off the books immediately. Getting draft picks 18-30 and second round picks doesn't look as good as 1-5 or 5-10. Sure you can get some quality players in lower lever picks, but your selection is thinner and the likelyhood of a game changer is lower. If they lose him they need to have clearance sale and blow the whole thing to bits. This is like me trying to come up with reasons why he would come to Portland. "Well, teh Cavs wood get Batum who's prospect #3 in da leeg, Pryzbilla and Miller expiring deals, picks #22 and #44, gets to play wit Roy and hims closer to Nike." See how dumb that sounds? Lastly...are you really  ing serious about the possibility of him going to Dallas? That's the biggest "LOL" that this board has ever seen. This is homer HOF material, Ralpho and Pat's homerism even finds it funny. It isn't happening, Micheal Bay has a better chance of directing a masterpiece. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 23, 2010 13:00:24 GMT -5
I was the anti homer this year hating on the Celtics so much I sold a lot of my tickets for them.
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Post by LA Times on May 23, 2010 13:33:58 GMT -5
Stoudemire definitely doesn't deserve a max contract, but some team will obviously give him what he wants sadly. In terms of Forwards in FA (not counting LBJ), I'd go for Bosh, or hell even Boozer before I'd go for this bum. As for LeBron going to the Mavericks, I just don't see him wanting to go there. Hes used to being a face a whole state. He'd be a sideshow to the Cowboys in Dallas, and he probably knows that. Then Lebron would be in the shadow of the Yankees and Eli Manning if he was in New York |
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Post by Jamal on May 23, 2010 13:41:50 GMT -5
Stoudemire definitely doesn't deserve a max contract, but some team will obviously give him what he wants sadly. In terms of Forwards in FA (not counting LBJ), I'd go for Bosh, or hell even Boozer before I'd go for this bum. As for LeBron going to the Mavericks, I just don't see him wanting to go there. Hes used to being a face a whole state. He'd be a sideshow to the Cowboys in Dallas, and he probably knows that. Then Lebron would be in the shadow of the Yankees and Eli Manning if he was in New York Touche. But I would think NY is big enough to handle all that star power. |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 13:47:47 GMT -5
Where did I say I thought LeBron was going to Dallas? And don't tell me you haven't once thought about what deals the Blazers could swing. Aside from the fact that he plays over 70 games a year so he's not on their radar.
Dallas isn't a top 5 possibility, but to summarily dismiss the chance that he goes there altogether is HOF ridiculous to me. But please keep overreacting.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 23, 2010 14:21:03 GMT -5
I love the phrase "Your homer is showing"  |
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 14:40:34 GMT -5
I have no problems being called or admitting that I'm a homer, but I also think anyone who hasn't at least thought about how his team could get the biggest free agent in sports history probably isn't a very big fan of his team. As much as I dislike his personality, I'd love to see the Mavs retire his jersey next to a few banners.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 23, 2010 14:47:04 GMT -5
I have no problems being called or admitting that I'm a homer, but I also think anyone who hasn't at least thought about how his team could get the biggest free agent in sports history probably isn't a very big fan of his team. As much as I dislike his personality, I'd love to see the Mavs retire his jersey next to a few banners. I disagree, I dont think of that and I dont think I am any less of a fan. There is little chance the Celtics can pull off even a mid level guy in the offseason, let alone James. For a team like the Mavericks who are a bit in turmoil after their embarrassing exit and Dirk possibily testing the waters, I can see why someone would want to dream there. I'd love him, but I am all set breaking up a team for him until he proves he can win regardless of his cast. |
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Post by Jamal on May 23, 2010 14:50:24 GMT -5
I have no problems being called or admitting that I'm a homer, but I also think anyone who hasn't at least thought about how his team could get the biggest free agent in sports history probably isn't a very big fan of his team. As much as I dislike his personality, I'd love to see the Mavs retire his jersey next to a few banners. Unless your a Laker fan of course. |
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Post by user9327 on May 23, 2010 15:10:33 GMT -5
Wow, now the Cavs are not only taking on Butler and Dampier for potential cap space they'd already have, but they're finding takers on Jamison and Mo Williams too? Just to help the Mavs win a championship with Dirk at second fiddle?
I was called intellectually- disabled for talking about Dirk not being a Franchise player. I guess we all are intellectually- disabled now for talking about it like it's common knowledge.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 15:24:08 GMT -5
Wow, now the Cavs are not only taking on Butler and Dampier for potential cap space they'd already have, but they're finding takers on Jamison and Mo Williams too? Just to help the Mavs win a championship with Dirk at second fiddle? I was called intellectually- disabled for talking about Dirk not being a Franchise player. I guess we all are intellectually- disabled now for talking about it like it's common knowledge. Wow... I don't believe I actually said any of that. That's hilarious. FWIW I truely think it's more likely that he goes to Dallas than the Knicks but that's just my opinion. |
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Post by user9327 on May 23, 2010 15:28:01 GMT -5
Let's bet our self deletions on it then. If you think he's going to the Mavs over the Knicks. If he goes to the Mavs I delete myself. If he goes to the Knicks you delete yourself. If you're sooo sure.
You never called me a intellectually- disabled person after I proclaimed why Dirk was not a franchise player? It's only a few pages ago...
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 15:37:16 GMT -5
Let's bet our self deletions on it then. If you think he's going to the Mavs over the Knicks. If he goes to the Mavs I delete myself. If he goes to the Knicks you delete yourself. If you're sooo sure. You never called me a intellectually- disabled person after I proclaimed why Dirk was not a franchise player? It's only a few pages ago... Wow, you want me to delete myself now? I already said I thought it was extremely unlikely that he'd even leave Cleveland. I don't think I at all impied that I think LeBron's going to Dallas as a sure thing. You can go ahead and delete yourself when LeBron passes on NYC if you want but I don't care enough to make a pointless bet like that. And I apologized already for calling your statement about Dirk "intellectually- disabled" so you're really milking that excessively at this point. I mean really? You're going to bring that up every time you disagree with me? That's pretty desperate. Come on man. |
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Post by user9327 on May 23, 2010 16:53:00 GMT -5
No actually I'm just bringing it up to point out and prove how backwards and illogical your reasoning can be.
You flip flop, simple as that. 2 weeks ago you said one thing and called me a intellectually- disabled person for thinking it. 2 weeks later you're saying another thing that agrees with me.
If LeBron just so happens to go to the Mavs you wouldn't see me brushing it off like I wasn't just saying the exact opposite a few days before. Or manipulating words to disguise the fact that I did debate it passionately enough to call someone intellectually- disabled and am now completely contradicting myself. You know, kinda like you are here.
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Post by spreedom8 on May 23, 2010 16:58:59 GMT -5
There wasn't a word of that last post that went anywhere toward enhancing the topic, so I'll completely ignore it.
Moving on...
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Post by user9327 on May 23, 2010 17:05:47 GMT -5
Christ, can we just talk realistically about ball?
I bet you to delete yourself because these multiple page, ridiculous debates only seem to happen when you're around insisting we believe Dirk is a Franchise player then two weeks later telling us he's not and they need LeBron.
I don't know what to tell you anymore, it seems every two weeks I'm going to have to read mutiple posts from you about garbage and why I should believe it or else you're going to restate it differently for 3 posts and keep doing so like it validates your opinion any further after 3 or 4 people disagreed with you.
This is a reoccurring theme. This is why I try to avoid you. But, phew, that Caron Butler, Dampier, Beaubois for LeBron trade.... Is more "likely" than the Knicks just outright signing LeBron... "come on man"
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Post by user9327 on May 23, 2010 17:11:08 GMT -5
There wasn't a word of that last post that went anywhere toward enhancing the topic, so I'll completely ignore it. Moving on... ... and there wasn't a word in your previous post (I was directly responding to) enhancing the topic either. As for the topic. Ok great. Butler, Dampier and Beaubois for LeBron wouldn't surprise you. OK great. Expand away! |
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