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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 27, 2010 10:12:53 GMT -5
The Cavaliers would be the Nets without Lebron, I am not going to side on the Dirk/Lebron MVP debate but saying the Cavs might be in the playoffs w/o Lebron is insane....insane! Why is that? They're great defensively (#1 in opponent FG%, #2 in point differential), offensively (#4 in overall FG% and #2 in 3PT%), and are top 10 in team rebounding, shotblocking, steals, assist/turnover ratio and turnover differential. Take LeBron's impact away from those numbers and they're all likely going to drop to some degree (although definitely not down to the bottom of the league averages), but look at the records of the teams currently in the playoff hunt out East: Chicago, Milwaukee and the Knicks are under .500 and they're all fighting for the 8th seed. Hell, over half the teams in the East have losing records. But hey, theories like this can't ever be proven or disproven, so I probably shouldn't have started all of this -- my point was the Cavs (minus LeBron) are a group of very underrated players that really deserve better than the "they're a bunch of D-League bums that are riding LeBron's coattails" rap that they get.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 27, 2010 10:14:26 GMT -5
Cool stat here -- the Mavericks just set the NBA record for the most consecutive wins in games decided by one point with ten straight. I can't wait to see who they get for Howard (assuming/praying that they trade him) to bolster the 2-guard spot even more.
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 27, 2010 11:05:40 GMT -5
Rookie/Sophomore rosters (courtesy Hoopsworld):
Chicago Bulls guard Derrick Rose, the reigning T-Mobile Rookie of the Year, and Sacramento Kings guard Tyreke Evans, the leading scorer among first-year players, lead a list of 18 players selected for the 2010 T-Mobile Rookie Challenge & Youth Jam to be held on Friday, Feb. 12 in Dallas during NBA All-Star 2010.
Joining Rose on the Sophomore team are Miami HEAT forward Michael Beasley, Los Angeles Clippers guard Eric Gordon, Minnesota Timberwolves forward/center Kevin Love, New Jersey Nets center Brook Lopez, New York Knicks forward Danilo Gallinari, Oklahoma City Thunder guard Russell Westbrook, and a pair of teammates from the Memphis Grizzlies – center Marc Gasol and guard O.J. Mayo.
Forward Omri Casspi, Evans' teammate in Sacramento, joins him on the Rookie team, which also includes Chicago Bulls forward Taj Gibson, Detroit Pistons forward Jonas Jerebko, Golden State Warriors guard Stephen Curry, Milwaukee Bucks guard Brandon Jennings, Minnesota Timberwolves guard Jonny Flynn, Oklahoma City Thunder guard James Harden, and San Antonio forward/center DeJuan Blair.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 27, 2010 12:43:06 GMT -5
Maybe he could have a new career in porn since the NBA isnt working out for him.
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Post by LA Times on Jan 27, 2010 13:06:56 GMT -5
"ESPN.com has LeBron James listed as the MVP half way through the season, the Cavs have the best record and no other Cav is all star worthy" ---- NBA Scoop Just sayin, anybody who still calls Kobe the best... 2007 called and it wants you to reread everything I wrote back then that people say now. Kobe is still the best and I am not even a Lakers fan
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Post by Quanthor on Jan 27, 2010 14:47:03 GMT -5
I'm being sufficated by hommerism.
It all makes sense why Oden's knees are shot.....he's swinging a goddamn anvil between his legs!
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Post by BV on Jan 27, 2010 18:50:14 GMT -5
I'm being sufficated by hommerism. It all makes sense why Oden's knees are shot.....he's swinging a goddamn anvil between his legs!
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 27, 2010 22:44:19 GMT -5
There was no need for multiple dong shots, thats all Im saying
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Post by Quanthor on Jan 28, 2010 1:14:37 GMT -5
Get well soon, Roy.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 28, 2010 14:05:11 GMT -5
Rajon Rondo, Deron Williams and Derrick Rose have been selected as All-Stars for the first time, according to Yahoo! Sports. It's a well-deserved honor for all three young point guards, each of whom have their respective teams in the playoffs. Al Horford (13.6 points, 9.8 rebounds) got the nod over David Lee (19.4 points, 11.4 boards) in the East, but there were no true snubs in the West. Besides Rondo, Rose and Horford, the East reserves are Chris Bosh, Paul Pierce, Gerald Wallace and Joe Johnson. Other than Williams, the West reserves are Chris Paul, Paul Gasol, Kevin Durant, Zach Randolph, Dirk Nowitzki and Brandon Roy.
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Post by Quanthor on Jan 28, 2010 16:03:22 GMT -5
Wow, Horford over David Lee. That's criminal.
It's nice to see D-Will finially make it and Wallace is having a montser year and deserves to be there as well.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 28, 2010 16:07:04 GMT -5
Josh Smith and Lee deserve to be there, other than that, seems about right.
Good to see Deron, Rondo, Rose and Pierce make it.
Might be seeing Rondo and Rose be in many many more ASG's
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Post by user9327 on Jan 28, 2010 16:31:00 GMT -5
How on Earth can you not take LeBron? Cleveland would be about 3-40 without him. The Mavs and Hornets would have won 15 games if not more. When Chris Paul was out for over 2 weeks, they actually had a winning record. Him missing two weeks in my opinion negates his chances at first half MVP. The Mavericks would be the worst team in the West without Dirk -- they are the only current competitor without a legit second option. They've also had the toughest schedule in the West and have battled injuries all season long, and are unbeaten in games decided by less than 2 points. LeBron's a great player but the Cavaliers would probably still have a pretty good shot at the playoffs in the Least without him. Plus, a "first half MVP" is pretty much the most pointless debate ever. We still don't even know who the real contenders are yet. Suddenly Jason Terry (former all star), Shawn Marion (former all star), Jason Kidd (former all star, MVP hopeful) and big men such as Drew Gooden are not legit second options? And let me get this straight.... you think if LeBron was off Cleveland and they field a team who's best players were Mo Williams and Delonte West that'd they'd still make the playoffs? That Brook Lopez and Devin Harris (3-40 this year) aren't a better top 2? Are you basing this off of Mo Williams 20 win season on the Bucks or Delonte West's constant missed playoff appearances while playing with Paul Pierce? You're really think Delonte West, Mo Williams and half of what's left of Shaq's anatomy (who apparently hurts teams now by being on the floor) are going to push for the playoffs, or even win more than 15 games? You think Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion and various other playoff tested players are going to roll over and die... and win 15 games? ooooooook then. And hey for the killer... all that stuff you said about the Mavs is great and all but they got absolutely beat down by LA the other month. LeBron is 2-0 against LA this season. I still have yet to understand why people discredit LeBron so much when he has clearly been the best player in the NBA since 2007. I mean it's literally impossible to paint it any other way at this point. Delonte West people.... DELONTE WEST.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 28, 2010 16:38:48 GMT -5
I'm just gonna second post this because I probably should have just made one point...
Give LeBron Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, Shawn Marion and Drew Gooden, Jose Barea... even Erik Dampier... Cleveland is a better team.
Give Dirk Delonte West and Mo Williams.... they are playing .500 ball and you know it.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 28, 2010 17:41:46 GMT -5
There was a reason why I just stopped talking after I was told Cleveland without Lebron is a playoff team...just amazing. Has nothing to do with the division but the garbage alongside Lebron and how they would probably be worse than the team the Harlem Globetrotters play
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Post by user9327 on Jan 28, 2010 18:11:58 GMT -5
I still just can't get over the fact that people still really stand by this LeBron is not the best claim? It's so ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. At this point you'd either have to A. know you are wrong and too stubborn to admit it or B. just personally hate LeBron or love some other player too much. Point being, it's personal... or you're just misinformed. It really just breaks down to this... when guys like Kobe, Carmelo and Dirk played with teams that were still better than what LeBron has now but didn't have loads of all star caliber players... those teams were not contenders. Straight up, some of them had losing seasons and all of them had first round exits. LeBron has been a ing contender since age 22. Age twenty ing two, with Delonte ing West, alright? Daniel Gibson was his second option during his Finals run. Can we just end this madness now? Can we seriously stop the delusion? Did I imagine Kobe's first round exits and missed playoffs for consecutive years? Ditto on Dirk? Was Dirk's game ever elevated to Elite before Jason Terry came and played out of his mind next to him and creating space for Dirk on the court? LeBron is Elite with guys missing wide open shots, guys who are liabilities. Why is it all of the anti-LeBron people never bring those things up? Why is it every year they are latching on to a new player to use to discredit LeBron? 22 years old... NBA Finals appearance... Daniel Gibson as his number 2. But Dirk Nowitski and Kobe Bryant's years of underachievement next to all stars are superior? Oh Reeeeally? PS, Big Z still gets playing time on the Cavs.... LOL. Right, they'd be in the playoffs.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Jan 28, 2010 18:14:08 GMT -5
You two can pull out your Charles Dickens's and penis fight to the death over the Lebron vs Dirk MVP battle, but the Cav's comment was just....Lorenzo'esque...trying to make the Mavs and the West stronger than the Cavs, when all that was needed was "Yeah, the Cavs would suck balls without Lebron"
And it would be over.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 28, 2010 18:32:11 GMT -5
It should have been over back in 2007 when Kobe was at home crying about a trade calling out all of his team mates while LeBron was single handedly going to the Finals. I thought the comments about the Cavs being in top 10's in all these stats and acting like they'd even be in the top 20 without LeBron was more ridiculous. The Knicks would be better than them. If LeBron played on the Knicks right now they'd arguably be the best team in the NBA. Can we say the same, for sure, about Kobe and Dirk? Can we really? LeBron is shooting over 50% from the field this year, BTW. That's insane. How penises relate to basketball further than the Greg Oden pictures.... well that's beyond my interest.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 28, 2010 18:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by spreedom8 on Jan 28, 2010 20:03:04 GMT -5
We'll agree to disagree. There, that was easy.
Suns are going for 19 straight on TNT tonight...
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