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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 24, 2009 1:38:57 GMT -5
In all honesty, what has Big Show DONE to impress anyone? I want specifics. . He takes back bumps several times a match and out-of-the ring bumps on a regular basis. No other giant sold nearly as much Show. The Alley-Oop and the spear. Think about the finishers of 'Dre, Baba, El Gigante etc..did they ever leave their feet to perform moves? Conditioning. Yes, he's overweight but he can go much longer and harder in the ring than any of his forerunners. He had several extended (and very good) matches with Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle. Earlier this year, he was in a Fatal Four way where he actually carried the match for several minutes by taking the offense to his three opponents with no break to catch his breath. He also worked his butt off as ECW champ. Character/Mic work: His work on SNL, His classic feud with Eddie Guerrero, His early 2000s dress-up skits, his build-up of the Mayweather match, his lovestruck puppy antics when he was sneaking around with Vickie...etc. I could go on and on. I won't remember him as much for his roaring chokeslam threat (although that is pretty terrifying) as much as the humor he has brought to the biz. |
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Post by June on Nov 24, 2009 10:42:23 GMT -5
In all honesty, what has Big Show DONE to impress anyone? I want specifics. . He takes back bumps several times a match and out-of-the ring bumps on a regular basis. No other giant sold nearly as much Show. The Alley-Oop and the spear. Think about the finishers of 'Dre, Baba, El Gigante etc..did they ever leave their feet to perform moves? Conditioning. Yes, he's overweight but he can go much longer and harder in the ring than any of his forerunners. He had several extended (and very good) matches with Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle. Earlier this year, he was in a Fatal Four way where he actually carried the match for several minutes by taking the offense to his three opponents with no break to catch his breath. He also worked his butt off as ECW champ. Character/Mic work: His work on SNL, His classic feud with Eddie Guerrero, His early 2000s dress-up skits, his build-up of the Mayweather match, his lovestruck puppy antics when he was sneaking around with Vickie...etc. I could go on and on. I won't remember him as much for his roaring chokeslam threat (although that is pretty terrifying) as much as the humor he has brought to the biz. What does his role on SNL have to do with wrestling? For that matter what does his athleticism have to do with wrestling? It's wonderful that big show can clown around and take bumps, but that basically kills the mystique of a wrestling GIANT. Andre did not bump around, he had a small move set, spoke little english and all that got him was international fame and fortune. The fact that he moved around slowly did nothing to diminish his place in wrestling history and fans still considered him unstoppable even after he lost to Hogan at WM3. |
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Post by Isle of Lucy on Nov 24, 2009 23:40:23 GMT -5
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Thou he genuinly has respect for the biz, Show seems to have a poor attitude at times.
I don't recall ever hearing about Andre ever complaining or distasting other guys.
Both were able to really move in their early days, but Andre was more feared, which is why he was unbeaten for so many years, he clearly dominated any which territory he went. There's only a select few you count on 1 hand, who you can say that about, and Andre is one of them.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 24, 2009 23:45:47 GMT -5
In-ring: He takes back bumps several times a match and out-of-the ring bumps on a regular basis. No other giant sold nearly as much Show. The Alley-Oop and the spear. Think about the finishers of 'Dre, Baba, El Gigante etc..did they ever leave their feet to perform moves? Conditioning. Yes, he's overweight but he can go much longer and harder in the ring than any of his forerunners. He had several extended (and very good) matches with Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle. Earlier this year, he was in a Fatal Four way where he actually carried the match for several minutes by taking the offense to his three opponents with no break to catch his breath. He also worked his butt off as ECW champ. Character/Mic work: His work on SNL, His classic feud with Eddie Guerrero, His early 2000s dress-up skits, his build-up of the Mayweather match, his lovestruck puppy antics when he was sneaking around with Vickie...etc. I could go on and on. I won't remember him as much for his roaring chokeslam threat (although that is pretty terrifying) as much as the humor he has brought to the biz. What does his role on SNL have to do with wrestling? For that matter what does his athleticism have to do with wrestling? It's wonderful that big show can clown around and take bumps, but that basically kills the mystique of a wrestling GIANT. Andre did not bump around, he had a small move set, spoke little english and all that got him was international fame and fortune. The fact that he moved around slowly did nothing to diminish his place in wrestling history and fans still considered him unstoppable even after he lost to Hogan at WM3. What does athleticism have to do with wrestling? Is that a rhetorical question? Though all aspects of a persona are important, in-ring ability outweighs everything. When I watch wrestling, I want to see people doing things that an average person can't do. Seeing wrestlers with movesets that revolve around punching, kicking and clotheslining is BOOOORING! As far as Show's "giant" mystique, it's still there. He occasionally squashes opponents and you won't see him getting punched out by someone like Evan Borne. However, when the in-ring story calls for him to take numerous bumps and sell (like the lumberjack match where he basically fought the entire RAW roster) Show can do things that no other wrestling giant could, enhancing the story-telling ability of everyone involved. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 24, 2009 23:52:00 GMT -5
-- Thou he genuinly has respect for the biz, Show seems to have a poor attitude at times. I don't recall ever hearing about Andre ever complaining or distasting other guys.Both were able to really move in their early days, but Andre was more feared, which is why he was unbeaten for so many years, he clearly dominated any which territory he went. There's only a select few you count on 1 hand, who you can say that about, and Andre is one of them. Read up on Andre. His attitude and actions towards guys he didn't like is legendary. If Andre decided he didn't like someone, he punished them in the ring. There is a match from Japan (I forget the opponent) where Andre was upset with the booking. He no-sold for several minutes and challenged his opponent to shoot on him. The guy did, laying in hard roundhouse kicks. Andre only laughed at him. When Antonio Inoki came down to ringside and admonished Andre (trying to do so discreetly), he layed down in the center of the ring, looked at his opponent, and said, "Pin me!" |
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Nov 25, 2009 0:54:04 GMT -5
Read up on Andre. His attitude and actions towards guys he didn't like is legendary. If Andre decided he didn't like someone, he punished them in the ring.
There is a match from Japan (I forget the opponent) where Andre was upset with the booking. He no-sold for several minutes and challenged his opponent to shoot on him. The guy did, laying in hard roundhouse kicks. Andre only laughed at him. When Antonio Inoki came down to ringside and admonished Andre (trying to do so discreetly), he layed down in the center of the ring, looked at his opponent, and said, "Pin me!"[/quote]
just dont ask Iron Sheik about Andre ;D
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Post by slappy on Nov 25, 2009 1:00:57 GMT -5
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 25, 2009 1:55:22 GMT -5
Read up on Andre. His attitude and actions towards guys he didn't like is legendary. If Andre decided he didn't like someone, he punished them in the ring. There is a match from Japan (I forget the opponent) where Andre was upset with the booking. He no-sold for several minutes and challenged his opponent to shoot on him. The guy did, laying in hard roundhouse kicks. Andre only laughed at him. When Antonio Inoki came down to ringside and admonished Andre (trying to do so discreetly), he layed down in the center of the ring, looked at his opponent, and said, "Pin me!" just dont ask Iron Sheik about Andre ;D[/quote] Oh boy, Sheik seems to have a grudge against everyone unless they gave him cocaine. |
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Post by June on Nov 25, 2009 9:34:05 GMT -5
See athleticism is not needed to tell a story in the ring and Andre later in his career had none and it did not affect his ability to tell a story in the ring. Take away Show's bumping and what does he have? Nobody fears the Big Show now and nobody feared him when he was a young goofy looking, athletic giant with an extremely tight singlet.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 25, 2009 10:11:38 GMT -5
See athleticism is not needed to tell a story in the ring and Andre later in his career had none and it did not affect his ability to tell a story in the ring. Take away Show's bumping and what does he have? Nobody fears the Big Show now and nobody feared him when he was a young goofy looking, athletic giant with an extremely tight singlet. Athleticism is absolutely essential and Andre's storytelling was most certainly affected by his physical breakdown. He was a sight to behold in the 70s but by '82 or so, he was already having mobility issues. He rarely bumped, often had problems with his balance, struggled to get to his feet when he was down, and was in obvious pain. You really think no one fears Show? Storyline wise, wrestlers always seem weary. In real life....how many people would get into the face of a 480lb man with fists like bowling balls? I'm guessing not many. |
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Post by S on Nov 25, 2009 13:00:29 GMT -5
See athleticism is not needed to tell a story in the ring and Andre later in his career had none and it did not affect his ability to tell a story in the ring. Take away Show's bumping and what does he have? Nobody fears the Big Show now and nobody feared him when he was a young goofy looking, athletic giant with an extremely tight singlet. Ok, Andre was better at the stereotype 'giant' gimmick, and that may be what the topic is about, but on alot of other important fronts, Big Show beats Andre Also, comparing just one aspect of a wrestler is pretty worthless... i could start the topic 'who had the better baseball gimmick' Abe 'Knuckleball' Shwartz or Ric Flair... yea, Abe, but so what. when it comes to the overall, Ric is better |
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Post by June on Nov 25, 2009 13:28:38 GMT -5
See athleticism is not needed to tell a story in the ring and Andre later in his career had none and it did not affect his ability to tell a story in the ring. Take away Show's bumping and what does he have? Nobody fears the Big Show now and nobody feared him when he was a young goofy looking, athletic giant with an extremely tight singlet. Athleticism is absolutely essential and Andre's storytelling was most certainly affected by his physical breakdown. He was a sight to behold in the 70s but by '82 or so, he was already having mobility issues. He rarely bumped, often had problems with his balance, struggled to get to his feet when he was down, and was in obvious pain. You really think no one fears Show? Storyline wise, wrestlers always seem weary. In real life....how many people would get into the face of a 480lb man with fists like bowling balls? I'm guessing not many. His storytelling was not affected at all, at least not to the millions around the world who purchased tickets or tuned into watch him. Andre told a story in the ring that the people cared about and even with one foot in the grave he still held peoples attention and had them reaching for their wallets, which is something Big Show has never done. |
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Post by irishcurse64 on Nov 25, 2009 13:43:06 GMT -5
I'm much more entertained by Big Show's matches than Andre's.So I'll go with The Big Show.
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Post by S on Nov 26, 2009 20:20:24 GMT -5
Athleticism is absolutely essential and Andre's storytelling was most certainly affected by his physical breakdown. He was a sight to behold in the 70s but by '82 or so, he was already having mobility issues. He rarely bumped, often had problems with his balance, struggled to get to his feet when he was down, and was in obvious pain. You really think no one fears Show? Storyline wise, wrestlers always seem weary. In real life....how many people would get into the face of a 480lb man with fists like bowling balls? I'm guessing not many. His storytelling was not affected at all, at least not to the millions around the world who purchased tickets or tuned into watch him. Andre told a story in the ring that the people cared about and even with one foot in the grave he still held peoples attention and had them reaching for their wallets, which is something Big Show has never done. Yes, because they had seen it before... with Andre... he was a pioneer when it comes to being the dominating giant, but if Big Show swapped timelines with Andre, Show would have been the pioneer, and with his increased skill, would have been an even bigger name |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 28, 2009 4:27:38 GMT -5
His storytelling was not affected at all, at least not to the millions around the world who purchased tickets or tuned into watch him. Andre told a story in the ring that the people cared about and even with one foot in the grave he still held peoples attention and had them reaching for their wallets, which is something Big Show has never done. Yes, because they had seen it before... with Andre... he was a pioneer when it comes to being the dominating giant, but if Big Show swapped timelines with Andre, Show would have been the pioneer, and with his increased skill, would have been an even bigger nameI think Andre (the older version) would have become very hard to book in the current wrestling scene. As he aged, he became harder to understand when he spoke. He would need a manager, valet, or tag partner most of the time since he was only capable of delivering one-liners with clarity. Still, wouldn't it be a dream match to see Show circa '99 vs. 'Dre circa '78???  |
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Post by canadiancarlito on Nov 29, 2009 14:19:03 GMT -5
In another thread I knocked Big Show and a fellow poster began to hail show as Wrestling's Greatest Giant. It annoyed me since Show can not even hold Andre jock strap. Yes Show get's around well for a man his size, but Andre did too early in his career. Andre was an international celebrity and a huge draw. Kid's these days who would not know storytelling if they were hit in the head with a book have no respect for the history of the sport and it's evidenced by them making claims that Big Show is the greatest Giant of All Time. They need to put talant of today over since they still make money for the company, if they put him over as a secondary giant no one would care about him, I say Andre is better but at the same time you have to put over new guys. Because IMO no one can compare to these stars in their prime, Hogan,Michaels,Hart,Taker all classic superstars who made this business but if you live in the past you can't advance |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Nov 29, 2009 22:41:04 GMT -5
Baba was the most talented giant.
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Post by June on Nov 30, 2009 8:42:36 GMT -5
Baba was the most talented giant. It's a shame this thread is about Andre and Show. |
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Post by LeighD on Nov 30, 2009 12:50:35 GMT -5
-- Thou he genuinly has respect for the biz, Show seems to have a poor attitude at times. I don't recall ever hearing about Andre ever complaining or distasting other guys.Both were able to really move in their early days, but Andre was more feared, which is why he was unbeaten for so many years, he clearly dominated any which territory he went. There's only a select few you count on 1 hand, who you can say that about, and Andre is one of them. Read up on Andre. His attitude and actions towards guys he didn't like is legendary. If Andre decided he didn't like someone, he punished them in the ring. There is a match from Japan (I forget the opponent) where Andre was upset with the booking. He no-sold for several minutes and challenged his opponent to shoot on him. The guy did, laying in hard roundhouse kicks. Andre only laughed at him. When Antonio Inoki came down to ringside and admonished Andre (trying to do so discreetly), he layed down in the center of the ring, looked at his opponent, and said, "Pin me!" Yeah, Andre may have worked well with certain guys, but bottomline...Andre did whatever the f*ck he wanted. If he didn't want to job, he wasn't going to job. If he didn't like how a match was going, he'd change it. Hell, even Hogan was nervous about his WM III bout with Andre because is if Andre didn't want to job, he wasn't. |
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Post by Kick Your Face on Dec 1, 2009 14:35:19 GMT -5
Baba was the most talented giant. It's a shame this thread is about Andre and Show. Well, people were discussing other wrestlers. |
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