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Post by Joe/Smurf on Nov 30, 2009 18:23:35 GMT -5
... you must REALLY hate some of Jakks' heads. Here is a small sampling of some Mattel heads that I have heard people complaining about, alongside their Jakks counterparts. I have also included the heads that I think Mattel did their best job on -- Kane and Mark Henry. Obviously, some of the Mattel heads are imperfect, but some Jakks head sulpts -- "real scan" or not -- were worse than Mattels. Case and point:  Finlay: He looks "young," sure, but it's miles better than that and ALL of Jakks' Finlay sculpts. Ted DiBiase, Jr.: Jakks head is garbage. Mattel's head? An almost perfect resemblance. John Morrison: I obviously didn't use the RA32 Morrison head, because that one IS better than Mattel's, but Mattel's is definitely better than Jakks' first effort. Carlito: Both are close in resemblance. Mattel's afro may actually be better than Jakks, IMO. Kane: Jakks has given us the same Kane head like 80 times. It's okay, you can tell it's his, but I think Mattel's Kane head is one of the best sculpts I've seen in ten years of figure collecting. Mark Henry: Jakks' and Mattel's sculpts are actually pretty similar in images, but in person, I've never been a big fan of Jakks' sculpt. Mattel's looks excellent in photos though. So, this is just a few examples of GOOD Mattel head sculpts. So, let's lay off the "bad head sculpts" criticism for a while -- at least until a few series in, if the lesser sculpts don't improve. |
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Post by bwalt66 on Nov 30, 2009 18:31:59 GMT -5
I agree with you mattels headscans are far better than Jakks the only one I think Jakks did a better job on is the Carlito. Just my opinion.
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Post by pwsphil on Nov 30, 2009 18:40:57 GMT -5
I love what ive seen from Mattel thus far, but i think the real problem is paint color & application. This is a problem jakks went/still goes threw. I think Mattel has excellent scans/sculpts they just need to be panited better. Triple H & Edge are good examples of good scans with off paint jobs. Mattel should have went with a dirty blonde color or darker for both. An Undertaker figure i have seen has eyebrows too high and his eyes were painted too big (white paint over eyelids). This is something Mattel should be careful of. Bad painting of heads make a figure look very cheap. It would be sad to see the most detailed bodies with crappy paint jobs on the faces.
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Post by bwalt66 on Nov 30, 2009 18:43:16 GMT -5
I love what ive seen from Mattel thus far, but i think the real problem is paint color & application. This is a problem jakks went/still goes threw. I think Mattel has excellent scans/sculpts they just need to be panited better. Triple H & Edge are good examples of good scans with off paint jobs. If Mattel should have went with a dirty blonde color or darker for both. I see what your saying the paint color is off on Shawn Michaels also IMO. They should have made his hair darker. |
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Post by Dan88 on Nov 30, 2009 18:45:03 GMT -5
Carlito
As i've said before that mattel's carlito is my fav carlito scan's so far, it been cartoony looking suits him.
Ted jr
While jakks scan does look like ted when he is really angry, how often do we see him like that? not often, thats why mattel's straight face is better.
Finlay
Mattel's looks like him but can agree with people saying he looks too young.
Kane
After seeing jakks scan for so long its so refreshing to see a new kane scan and its one of thier better one's thats for sure.
Morrison
Based off him while he was heel so can see why they went with an angry looking scan, looks like him so doesn't really bother me but another expression for him could have been better.
Henry
Like both of them tbh.
My thoughts.
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Post by The Highwayman on Nov 30, 2009 18:52:25 GMT -5
You know, Mattel's aren't that bad... Though, I never thought they were, so, I don't think you're really trying to convince me...
But, to further help your argument, Jakks started some form of 'real-scan' technology back in the TTL days, and look how craptacular some of those heads were... Seriously, Mattel's aren't that bad, sure they're no where near as good as the recent Edge, Eddie Guerrero, John Morrison, or Jack Swagger heads... But, Jakks has had 15 years of experience, Mattel will get better in time...
Speaking of Jakks' 15 years of experience, they've got some heads that are just horrible, much much worse than Mattel's, ones you don't even have up there. The new Triple H head(seriously, put that on your chart, Mattel's while not even great blows that garbage out of the water), Matt Striker's first head(you can argue that they improved on it, but, there was no excuse for that making it past quality control), the size of Cena's new head and Scott Hall's newer head(they're frigging ridiculously big, and they'd be great scans otherwise which is a real shame...), Santino's head doesn't resemble him much at all IMO, and the other two Finlay's are even worse than the one you have on there... The yelling one isn't too bad, but the other one looks like he's been trying to poop for days...
Mattel isn't the best with heads yet... But, in some respects, they are far better than Jakks already if you look at it in the relative sense... Go back and check out the first real-scan TTLs and then try to make an argument...
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Post by The Dude on Nov 30, 2009 19:28:37 GMT -5
Of those Carlito is the only Jakks that I like slightly better just the scan, Mattel has the more accurate hair. But the rest Mattel blows Jakks away.
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Post by PJ on Nov 30, 2009 19:44:30 GMT -5
The only head I really don't like from Mattel is Edge. Other than that I think most are very nice. (if not the best sculpt they are within the top 2 of each wrestlers) Personally from the pics I think Mattel's HHH head is the second best HHH ever. The Jakks TTL scan from the FS HHH vs Cactus Jack set is the best in my opinion.
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Post by Thick Justice on Nov 30, 2009 20:45:46 GMT -5
your comparison pic for morrison fails. That was a figure based 2-3 years prior.I like jakks carlito better. I like wwe's newest triple h better because it doesn't have that huge lump at the beginning of the hair. If they painted the hair better 90% of mattel would be better then jakks.
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Post by spam on Nov 30, 2009 20:55:22 GMT -5
Kozlov, Morrison, Miz, and Carlito still bother me, Mattel-wise.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Nov 30, 2009 21:10:12 GMT -5
your comparison pic for morrison fails. That was a figure based 2-3 years prior.I like jakks carlito better. I like wwe's newest triple h better because it doesn't have that huge lump at the beginning of the hair. If they painted the hair better 90% of mattel would be better then jakks. Perhaps you didn't read my post -- I said I purposely didn't include the newest Jakks Morrison head because it's great. However, there is no denying that the 'Johnny Nitro' head is complete garbage. |
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Nov 30, 2009 21:30:29 GMT -5
Thanks for posting, hopefully some people realise it isnt too bad. I can still see some heads are a little amaturish but its going to get better. Jakks made that RA1 chavo or that screaming orton. Mattel will improve but for what they have put out now and since we are only at the beginning, things are looking great. I seriously HATED jakks dibiase scan, it was deporable, i never bought dibiase cause of that not to mention the crappy torso, mattels head is LEAPS ANDBOUNDS BETTER. I thought both Henry heads were pretty similar by side by side, mattel actually did do a far better job.  I like jakks newer laughing finlay but the mattel head is still pretty good for that expression. Ive the sides of the hair were lightly painted not full strength, i think people would accept it more. As far as carlito, i gotta give the face to jakks, the mattel one doesnt have enough detail in it to make it look real enough but i see the expressions they worked off. The hair however is DEFINITELY better on mattel. Ive been pretty vocal about Kane. I wanted jakks to make that kind of scan for so long, they did in BNB but never went further. That mattel one is perfect. As far as morrison goes, the mattel one matches the pic and whilst that jakks head isnt a fair comparison (RA32 is), the mattel morrison is still as good as if not better than the RA32 one in my view. The RA32 scan was always pretty average to me. Jakks Max aggression one is better, but thats such a large scale its not fair to compare the two. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 1, 2009 0:30:24 GMT -5
The major flaw in your comparisons is the fact that most of Mattel is using serious expressions over grins, smiles, angry scans, etc. Is that better? Hell yeah! I dont need all these expressions. I'm cool with a standard straight face. Finlay: Eventhough Jakks has the angry scan....it still trumps the sculpt from Mattel, which looks more like Joey Styles with blonde hair. Carlito: Toss up. Mattel trumps with the hair. But I would take the Jakks face. Some might prefer the Mattel face, but I think its b/c it looks more current than Jakks version which is more based off his debut. Also, dont forget he had the other RA scan which was better. Ted: I'm gonna agree. The scan by Jakks is ok at best. It doesnt really resemble Ted however. I dont ever recall seeing him enraged like that. The Mattel sculpt is basic.....needs a little work, but Mattel wins. Kane: I have to say toss up. It depends on what look from Kane you are going for. Angry or straight faced? Both get the job done. I do prefer the Mattel version of Kane though. Morrison: Not a fair comparison, as the newer Jakks scan was a billion times better than the Nitro scan. I lean towards Jakks newer scan, either DA or RA 32, b/c I think the face, cheeks and chin are more proportionate. Sculpt by Mattel has an oversized forehead and chin. Mark: Toss up here as well. I'll lean towards Jakks b/c the head is more round, where Mattel has a flat egg shape to the head. But its close. Heads that Mattel has that beat Jakks......Cena, Batista, Bourne, Beth. Shocked they werent on your list. They are really well done. Bourne's totally trumps his Jakks predecessor. Heads Mattel is completely  ed on: Edge, Santino, HBK. Edge is a damn disgrace for a figure. Santino looks like someone melted the sculpt. And HBK, while has a great face sculpt, the hair is horrid. |
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Post by Spicoli~! on Dec 1, 2009 23:05:41 GMT -5
i think jakks nailed carlitos face, but mattel got the hair down a little better...i agree with everything else though
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Post by The Outsider on Dec 4, 2009 0:10:32 GMT -5
So far, the only Mattel sculpt I haven't been impressed with is the Finlay. All the rest...10/10.
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Post by dr on Dec 4, 2009 8:29:00 GMT -5
Some of Mattel´s heads are dead on while others aren´t (Cody Rhodes, John Morrisson). We had the same problem with Jakks, some were perfect, some were crap. We have to live with that. Even though I´m a Mattel fan based on the photos I´ve seen so far, I have to admit, that Jakks heads sometimes look more realistic while Mattel´s heads very often look cartoonish. One member said it´s because Mattel´s figures don´t have the white spot in the eye, I guess he´s right.
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Post by The Silent Flute (joepetree) on Dec 4, 2009 8:41:11 GMT -5
Some of Mattel´s heads are dead on while others aren´t true |
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Post by CMJ on Dec 5, 2009 18:00:30 GMT -5
The morrison scan is very good mattel will be amzing in futer if this is the begining work
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Post by x on Dec 5, 2009 18:58:21 GMT -5
Basically...
Mattel could do 100 things right, but all it takes is 1 thing that doesn't look good, or is paint wrong and that's it. "MATTEL SUCKS" etc.
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Post by micco on Dec 6, 2009 19:44:22 GMT -5
i disagree. mattel has some scans that are superior; r-truth, jtg, santino, but of the ones you listed i only think the ted is a better scan. the mattel finlay will go down as one of the worst scans ever. the 1st of the four or so jakks finlay scans, which is the one you included is the worst they produced and it's still actually better than the mattel one.
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