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Post by K Dot on Dec 6, 2009 0:57:29 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start an arguement but how the hell did hamil deserve that?
yeah it was an illegal elbow but first there were no warnings issued and even if there was he should have stopped
bones to tell him, no take a point right away. please don't tell me that when bones was landing 40+ shots and all hamil
did was block for his life meant hamil was gonna get right up and beat bones.
yes bones had illegal elbows but that win would have gone to bones even without the elbows.
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Post by Bob Sapp on Dec 6, 2009 0:58:43 GMT -5
^^^ Tito fans are clamoring for a fight!!! Im one of them! Tito can finally get some retribution!!! Um, seriously? Chuck has already beaten him twice, and if Tito beats him next time, it will be weak sauce because Chuck is over the hill. Funny that anyone is clamoring for them to fight again. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 6, 2009 0:59:39 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start an arguement but how the hell did hamil deserve that? yeah it was an illegal elbow but first there were no warnings issued and even if there was he should have stopped bones to tell him, no take a point right away. pleas don't tell me that when bones was landing 40+ shots and all hamil did was block for his life meant hamil was gonna get right up and bra bones. yes bones had illegal elbows but that win would have gone to bones even without the elbows. Hamill was blocking alot of them but I agree the fight should not have been a DQ for Hamill If anything a no contest. The blows were illegal and Hamill couldnt continue. So its not fair to hamill because the illegal blows are what opened him up. IMO should have been a no contest. I hope there is a rematch... ^^^ Tito fans are clamoring for a fight!!! Im one of them! Tito can finally get some retribution!!! Um, seriously? Chuck has already beaten him twice, and if Tito beats him next time, it will be weak sauce because Chuck is over the hill. Funny that anyone is clamoring for them to fight again. To be honest I agree. It does sound pretty sad. haha and IMO Tito is on his over the hill decline if not already there. He is pretty much there. It wouldnt mean much if he really did win other than Tito fans being able to say he beat him when they were past their primes, haha... But IMO Chuck is not completly out of this fight his style matches up to Titos good so he can still beat him if he has the power left which im sure he does... |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Dec 6, 2009 1:06:12 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start an arguement but how the hell did hamil deserve that? yeah it was an illegal elbow but first there were no warnings issued and even if there was he should have stopped bones to tell him, no take a point right away. please don't tell me that when bones was landing 40+ shots and all hamil did was block for his life meant hamil was gonna get right up and beat bones. yes bones had illegal elbows but that win would have gone to bones even without the elbows. If you had been listening, Mazzagatti did issue him a warning once, and he landed about 3 illegal elbows, and threw about 6. Rules are rules. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Dec 6, 2009 1:06:28 GMT -5
^^^ Tito fans are clamoring for a fight!!! Im one of them! Tito can finally get some retribution!!! Yeah, because getting a win over a massively deteriorated Chuck Liddell is going to mean a lot and get that retribution. All it is is a "W". Ring rust or not, Tito hasn't improved a single bit. The Forrest fight showed it. Liddell has really slowed down and lost his chin. The Shogun fight proved that. Tito Ortiz beating Chuck Liddell in Late 2010 means absolutely nothing. Nothing. It would have meant something if he had beaten him, like at I don't know, UFC 66 in 2006. Tito's glory days are far, far behind him. Same with Liddell's. All Liddell gains from this is going out on a win instead of 2 knock out losses. If Tito wins, it says more about how much Liddell has deteriorated than how Ortiz has gotten better. That tarnishes his win Utterly pointless fight. UFC gets ratings and money. Liddell puts his health and legacy on the line again to settle an old grudge that quite frankly, has been settled for years. Tito fights a guy he couldn't beat in his prime. But now that his opponent is so far out of his prime, he wants a 3rd fight. Wow. Awesome. I'm not bashing you personally, I just don't care for the matchmaking. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Dec 6, 2009 1:07:00 GMT -5
I'm not trying to start an arguement but how the hell did hamil deserve that? yeah it was an illegal elbow but first there were no warnings issued and even if there was he should have stopped bones to tell him, no take a point right away. pleas don't tell me that when bones was landing 40+ shots and all hamil did was block for his life meant hamil was gonna get right up and bra bones. yes bones had illegal elbows but that win would have gone to bones even without the elbows. Hamill was blocking alot of them but I agree the fight should not have been a DQ for Hamill If anything a no contest. The blows were illegal and Hamill couldnt continue. So its not fair to hamill because the illegal blows are what opened him up. IMO should have been a no contest. I hope there is a rematch... Um, seriously? Chuck has already beaten him twice, and if Tito beats him next time, it will be weak sauce because Chuck is over the hill. Funny that anyone is clamoring for them to fight again. But, even if Chuck beats him, it will mean nothing because he has already beaten him twice. There's no win here. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 6, 2009 1:10:42 GMT -5
Hamill was blocking alot of them but I agree the fight should not have been a DQ for Hamill If anything a no contest. The blows were illegal and Hamill couldnt continue. So its not fair to hamill because the illegal blows are what opened him up. IMO should have been a no contest. I hope there is a rematch... Um, seriously? Chuck has already beaten him twice, and if Tito beats him next time, it will be weak sauce because Chuck is over the hill. Funny that anyone is clamoring for them to fight again. But, even if Chuck beats him, it will mean nothing because he has already beaten him twice. There's no win here. I said Id love to see it happen I never said it would make sense, haha... |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Dec 6, 2009 1:14:08 GMT -5
And I am saying it doesn't make sense why anyone would want to see this happen.
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Post by Bob Sapp on Dec 6, 2009 1:17:56 GMT -5
I actually thought Hamill was doing way better on the feet than Jones was, but that's just me. He stuffed 2 takedowns too.
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Post by K Dot on Dec 6, 2009 1:21:35 GMT -5
I sorta agre there but like joe or mike said no ones ever played around hamil like that on the ground.
I mean personally I've never seen hamil fight before two fights ago but jones seriously played the ground way better, got thr full mount quick and just went at it
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 6, 2009 1:28:28 GMT -5
And I am saying it doesn't make sense why anyone would want to see this happen. TBH like others said Id rather see Forrest instead of Chuck... I sorta agre there but like joe or mike said no ones ever played around hamil like that on the ground. I mean personally I've never seen hamil fight before two fights ago but jones seriously played the ground way better, got thr full mount quick and just went at it He did do great I mean Hamill is a gold medalist in the deaf olympics for wrestling and has never been handled like that but those 40 shots before the elbows were not fight ending shots. He still intellegently defended them moving and pushing them away with his arms. He didnt stop defending until the three 12 to 6 elbos and like Sapp said if you listen closely you can see him warning him... |
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Post by K Dot on Dec 6, 2009 1:39:13 GMT -5
yeah it was my bad on the warning part but how far can you go by just blocking everything that's thrown at you until you actually can't get out of it even if its not fight ending shots.
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Post by NYdream™ on Dec 6, 2009 1:42:32 GMT -5
yeah it was my bad on the warning part but how far can you go by just blocking everything that's thrown at you until you actually can't get out of it even if its not fight ending shots. I agree to some extent with that but he was still fighting back right up until the first landed 12 to 6 elbow. IMO I still think it should have been a No Contest. I hope to see an immediate rematch for them... |
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Post by *Ricky Spanish* on Dec 6, 2009 1:52:06 GMT -5
WOW.Kimbo won I am shocked hell he tried to get a rear naked choke on.LMAO his legs look like kermit the frogs legs he needs to spend at least 3months just on lower body training
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Post by MuffFuzz on Dec 6, 2009 3:26:06 GMT -5
As much as I am proud of Kimbo's development thus far, this pretty much sums up his fight with Houston:  |
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Post by hammer on Dec 6, 2009 4:23:52 GMT -5
kimbo, if he had any submission skills, shouldve tapped alexander in the 2nd. that said, i personally had it 28-28... but that 1st round couldve gone either way. i had it houston in 1, 10-8 kimbo in 2, and houston in the 3rd.
the rest of the night... was fairly self explanatory. jon jones is an animal, and a future contender for the lhw belt... mcsweeney beat a guy whos nickname was titties, then proceeded to get fatter... and roy nelson looked very good against a guy who seemed like he could sustain a decent career in the ufc.
all things considered, aside from bones... frankie edgar was the most impressive guy of the night.
oh yea... was it me or was the wren/madsen fight not shown? i was looking forward to that, since i thought overall, that wren had the most potential to be a pro. of course, if he lost to madsen tonight... im severely wrong... but i dont remember it being on the show.
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Post by PdW2kX on Dec 6, 2009 7:30:10 GMT -5
In the end I'm glad Big Country won TUF 10. He won a little of my fandom back with that big KO, and I think it'll be really interesting to see how he fits into the UFC Heavyweight division. Whoever they pit him up against next, hopefully the opponent has some name value. With Roy's experience I think he's ready to be matched up with some of the division's best.
I honestly see Ben Rothwell as a highly likely next opponent. In which case I'd probably be very excited to see that fight, since Big Ben and Big Country were my two all-time favorite IFL stars.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 6, 2009 7:40:45 GMT -5
As much as I am proud of Kimbo's development thus far, this pretty much sums up his fight with Houston: Yeah man, that speaks volumes for sure. Sure Kimbo won the fight, but for the majority of it, it was a very lackluster and boring fight, especially the first round. Nothing but a bunch of circling over and over again for the most part. No question, Kimbo won the second round and by the third round, they were both so gassed, it was almost hard to watch anymore. I wonder who will be next for Kimbo...Who do you guys think will be next in line for Kimbo?? James "Sandman" Irvin maybe?? Whoever it is, I just hope they put on a better performance than Houston Alexander did. I mean, if you ask me, it almost looked like Houston was paid to take a dive and make Kimbo look good or as good as he could because he's certainly a better fighter than he displayed last night. Houston has beaten much better, tougher and experienced guys than Kimbo in the past, namely Keith Jardine. Why didn't he come out like that last night and make it an all-out war like he did against Jardine?? If he could smoke a guy like Jardine with his experience and credentials in 48 seconds, then why couldn't he do the same with a much, much lesser experienced guy like Kimbo Slice?? Kinda makes you wonder when you put that into perspective, doesn't it?? |
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 6, 2009 7:50:46 GMT -5
James Irvin has no business being a heavyweight. I know he was a heavyweight in WEC, but come on now... Dude has cut to 185 before. Obviously he's way too small to be fighting at heavyweight.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Dec 6, 2009 8:08:26 GMT -5
James Irvin has no business being a heavyweight. I know he was a heavyweight in WEC, but come on now... Dude has cut to 185 before. Obviously he's way too small to be fighting at heavyweight. Who said anything with it being at Heavyweight?? I know I sure didn't. They could make it another Catch-Weight fight again, just like last night's fight was. |
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