Mizz Lola
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 5, 2009 3:06:34 GMT -5
Dude...I am older than you. I have seen what addiction does to people which clearly you have not if you think that this is WWE's fault. Humans have something called will power. If in fact Umaga's death was the result of drug addiction, that means he had a disease. Addiction is a disease. Do some research on it. Oh and you want to discuss the matter at hand? Last I read, this was not the "Discuss Wrestler's Drug" problems thread either. So, you are in the wrong forum then. Read the thread title. I am pretty certain that if this was John Cena you would be singing a different tune. Howeve since this is "just Umaga" I suppose it's okay to act the way you are. Suppose it also has a lot to do with your age and your life experiences. Again research drug addiction in a legitimate source. You might learn something about those wrestlers who chose to do drugs. You might think a little better before you say something really asinine like they are just a statistic. I know what addiction can do to people too. 17 isnt all that young. And I didnt say It was WWE's fault. I just credited them because Theyre the company under fire for pre-mature deaths, and now Umaga, who should (and most likley was, I mean who isnt) have been educated by the WWE about what he would be getting himself into by starting an addiction. And humans do have will-power. Umaga didnt want to use it when WWE reahed out to him, because he was satisfied with whatever position he was in. If you say no to something, its because you dont want it. He didnt want help, he didnt want to quit. And the title of this thread is "Umaga has passed away". And it's posted on a forum. The point of a forum, is to have discussions. And the title "Umaga has passed away" says to me "Discuss Umaga and his death" not, "Say RIP and leave nice comments". I dont care if it was Umaga, John Cena, or my own parents. If there is foul play involved in any death, there's a lesson to be learned.But you did get a little something right. To me he was "Just Umaga" or even "Just Jamal". I know him from WWE and thats it, and he wasnt in it for the longest time. I made no connection with him. I didnt feel for some samoan speaking savage. I respected and always admired his in-ring ability because he pretty much defied physics with his speed-to-size ratio, but to me he really wasnt anything but another wrestler. Pretend he was still alive, and have that mindset, now considering that, does that make me a bad person? Not one bit. Now that he is dead, I might come across as a bad person because I consider him "just another wrestler (or statistic), but thats because I dont know the man! If I didnt have a connection with him in life, why would I in death? I still have a heart and feel bad for his family because they lost a valued family member, but his death didnt effect me so while I can reflect and remember him for his in-ring ability like I do so for Chris Benoit, I will also keep in mind that what he did was very wrong, like I do for Chris Benoit. Honestly you still have a lot to learn...don't justify your point that way. You have to remember that not everyone saw him as "just Umaga" or "just Jamal". Some of us known people who are very close to him. So, to me he's Lynn's cousin Eddie. He's a guy who like family members of mine suffered a disease.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Dec 5, 2009 3:14:58 GMT -5
I know what addiction can do to people too. 17 isnt all that young. And I didnt say It was WWE's fault. I just credited them because Theyre the company under fire for pre-mature deaths, and now Umaga, who should (and most likley was, I mean who isnt) have been educated by the WWE about what he would be getting himself into by starting an addiction. And humans do have will-power. Umaga didnt want to use it when WWE reahed out to him, because he was satisfied with whatever position he was in. If you say no to something, its because you dont want it. He didnt want help, he didnt want to quit. And the title of this thread is "Umaga has passed away". And it's posted on a forum. The point of a forum, is to have discussions. And the title "Umaga has passed away" says to me "Discuss Umaga and his death" not, "Say RIP and leave nice comments". I dont care if it was Umaga, John Cena, or my own parents. If there is foul play involved in any death, there's a lesson to be learned.But you did get a little something right. To me he was "Just Umaga" or even "Just Jamal". I know him from WWE and thats it, and he wasnt in it for the longest time. I made no connection with him. I didnt feel for some samoan speaking savage. I respected and always admired his in-ring ability because he pretty much defied physics with his speed-to-size ratio, but to me he really wasnt anything but another wrestler. Pretend he was still alive, and have that mindset, now considering that, does that make me a bad person? Not one bit. Now that he is dead, I might come across as a bad person because I consider him "just another wrestler (or statistic), but thats because I dont know the man! If I didnt have a connection with him in life, why would I in death? I still have a heart and feel bad for his family because they lost a valued family member, but his death didnt effect me so while I can reflect and remember him for his in-ring ability like I do so for Chris Benoit, I will also keep in mind that what he did was very wrong, like I do for Chris Benoit. Honestly you still have a lot to learn...don't justify your point that way. You have to remember that not everyone saw him as "just Umaga" or "just Jamal". Some of us known people who are very close to him. So, to me he's Lynn's cousin Eddie. He's a guy who like family members of mine suffered a disease. Ok, I understand that, People do see him more then Just Umaga. Thats why I said I feel bad for him and his family. But how many people here on this one forum, were actually close to Umaga and knew him personally and commonly conversed with him? Probably not one person. That said, I should have the right to say my opinion, even if it would be considered negative, because nobody should take it personally. And like I said, I would never say these things at places like his funeral, or to his family member's because then it really is a bad thing, and uncalled for. But as far as this forum goes, if I cant say my views here, then where can I?
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Post by AdamBomb on Dec 5, 2009 3:25:06 GMT -5
Honestly you still have a lot to learn...don't justify your point that way. You have to remember that not everyone saw him as "just Umaga" or "just Jamal". Some of us known people who are very close to him. So, to me he's Lynn's cousin Eddie. He's a guy who like family members of mine suffered a disease. Ok, I understand that, People do see him more then Just Umaga. Thats why I said I feel bad for him and his family. But how many people here on this one forum, were actually close to Umaga and knew him personally and commonly conversed with him? Probably not one person. That said, I should have the right to say my opinion, even if it would be considered negative, because nobody should take it personally. And like I said, I would never say these things at places like his funeral, or to his family member's because then it really is a bad thing, and uncalled for. But as far as this forum goes, if I cant say my views here, then where can I? This is the internet, anyone can read what you've written. Likely that his family would see it? Maybe not. Completely outside the realm of possibility? Not at all. Besides, its obvious your comments are offending at least one person, why not be the 'bigger man' and just keep those feelings to yourself? Surely that wouldn't hurt. Have some manners.
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Mizz Lola
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 5, 2009 3:32:37 GMT -5
Honestly you still have a lot to learn...don't justify your point that way. You have to remember that not everyone saw him as "just Umaga" or "just Jamal". Some of us known people who are very close to him. So, to me he's Lynn's cousin Eddie. He's a guy who like family members of mine suffered a disease. Ok, I understand that, People do see him more then Just Umaga. Thats why I said I feel bad for him and his family. But how many people here on this one forum, were actually close to Umaga and knew him personally and commonly conversed with him? Probably not one person. That said, I should have the right to say my opinion, even if it would be considered negative, because nobody should take it personally. And like I said, I would never say these things at places like his funeral, or to his family member's because then it really is a bad thing, and uncalled for. But as far as this forum goes, if I cant say my views here, then where can I?There's these things here on the internet called BLOGS. In them you can say whatever you want and won't look classless to a whole lot of people. I have commonly conversed with him....you did read where I said to me he's Lynn's cousin...Lynn is someone I knew since like yeah, 6th grade...when my friend transfered schools and met her...around that time living in Allentown, yeah you saw these people like everywhere. I didn't know until around that same time, my mom knew Afa since like 1980. Apparently she makes a good cup of coffee...you see where this is going right? There's people here whose real lives, not just little internet lives and TV watching lives are legitimately touched by wrestlers.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Dec 5, 2009 3:36:09 GMT -5
Ok, I understand that, People do see him more then Just Umaga. Thats why I said I feel bad for him and his family. But how many people here on this one forum, were actually close to Umaga and knew him personally and commonly conversed with him? Probably not one person. That said, I should have the right to say my opinion, even if it would be considered negative, because nobody should take it personally. And like I said, I would never say these things at places like his funeral, or to his family member's because then it really is a bad thing, and uncalled for. But as far as this forum goes, if I cant say my views here, then where can I? This is the internet, anyone can read what you've written. Likely that his family would see it? Maybe not. Completely outside the realm of possibility? Not at all. Besides, its obvious your comments are offending at least one person, why not be the 'bigger man' and just keep those feelings to yourself? Surely that wouldn't hurt. Have some manners. Youre right. But I did say I came here to discuss so It would be hippocritical of me to not respond to a discussion that remains civilized. Thats pretty much my deciding factor of when to leave it. When a discussion becomes an argument, I do leave it, because it goes nowhere. When it remains civilized, I feel the need to let it play through, provided I feel I have something to say in return, because I might not want my words misinterpreted.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Dec 5, 2009 3:44:38 GMT -5
Ok, I understand that, People do see him more then Just Umaga. Thats why I said I feel bad for him and his family. But how many people here on this one forum, were actually close to Umaga and knew him personally and commonly conversed with him? Probably not one person. That said, I should have the right to say my opinion, even if it would be considered negative, because nobody should take it personally. And like I said, I would never say these things at places like his funeral, or to his family member's because then it really is a bad thing, and uncalled for. But as far as this forum goes, if I cant say my views here, then where can I?There's these things here on the internet called BLOGS. In them you can say whatever you want and won't look classless to a whole lot of people. I have commonly conversed with him....you did read where I said to me he's Lynn's cousin...Lynn is someone I knew since like yeah, 6th grade...when my friend transfered schools and met her...around that time living in Allentown, yeah you saw these people like everywhere. I didn't know until around that same time, my mom knew Afa since like 1980. Apparently she makes a good cup of coffee...you see where this is going right? There's people here whose real lives, not just little internet lives and TV watching lives are legitimately touched by wrestlers. I see. Well I should have said this a while ago but didnt get around to it, but I am sorry if I offended you at all. I stand by what I say, but Im not here to purposly piss off anyone. If I do offend anyone then the least I can do is to explain myself (as I did), and explain why I believe what I'm saying. So while I understand you side of this, Im just trying to get you to understand my side. You dont have to accept it, just understand it.
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Post by fulgore on Dec 5, 2009 3:51:54 GMT -5
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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Post by bigbadbootiedaddy on Dec 5, 2009 3:58:06 GMT -5
i'll try to put a bump in the senseless arguing by just saying, thank you "Umaga" for entertaining me and my family and always putting your body on the line because of people like me and my family who enjoyed watching you perform, you will be sadly missed regardless of what you died of, wrestlers are heros to people, and 1 of them being me, R.I.P. Umaga..you will be missed!! God Bless You!
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WFK
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Post by WFK on Dec 5, 2009 4:01:55 GMT -5
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Mizz Lola
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 5, 2009 4:12:03 GMT -5
There's these things here on the internet called BLOGS. In them you can say whatever you want and won't look classless to a whole lot of people. I have commonly conversed with him....you did read where I said to me he's Lynn's cousin...Lynn is someone I knew since like yeah, 6th grade...when my friend transfered schools and met her...around that time living in Allentown, yeah you saw these people like everywhere. I didn't know until around that same time, my mom knew Afa since like 1980. Apparently she makes a good cup of coffee...you see where this is going right? There's people here whose real lives, not just little internet lives and TV watching lives are legitimately touched by wrestlers. I see. Well I should have said this a while ago but didnt get around to it, but I am sorry if I offended you at all. I stand by what I say, but Im not here to purposly piss off anyone. If I do offend anyone then the least I can do is to explain myself (as I did), and explain why I believe what I'm saying. So while I understand you side of this, Im just trying to get you to understand my side. You dont have to accept it, just understand it. It's a well understood point...but always remember there is a time. Right now, mere hours after his death is not a good time.
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Post by slappy on Dec 5, 2009 4:14:24 GMT -5
I don't know how anyone can say the WWE is to blame, fully or partially. They had nothing to do with his death. None of you know if drugs had anything to do with his heart attack. It's not the WWE's job to monitor people they don't employ.
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Post by Rob on Dec 5, 2009 4:26:51 GMT -5
Judging by wrestlers tweets.. It seemed like he was an extremely friendly and well liked guy. Just seen an image of umaga and edge in the ring and edge had "canada" across his stomach like umagas "samoa" tattoo. loll
Im sure they will do something for him on raw.
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Post by lfcthorne on Dec 5, 2009 4:53:07 GMT -5
wow, this is a shame, Umaga was great and probably one of the one's i would've wanted back i WWE Also, i've just read this somewhere, but Mr Kennedy's now wrestled in both Eddie Guerrero's and Eddie "umaga" Fatu's Last Match Weird , just a coincidence but he must not feel very good
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Post by Lewscher on Dec 5, 2009 5:31:27 GMT -5
Well, I have absolutly no sympathy whatsoever if it's drug related. WWE offered him help for his addiction, he refused. It's his own damn fault. yo as much as i agree with that, and thats inevitable in the WWE and all wrestling promotions, so yeah, sympathy but inevitablity, but dood, this sucks, i mean 36? not even 40 FFS! RIP umaga you'll be missed man and had some nice ink going there rem,ember the good and possitive times thanks for the entertainment (and wasnt he jamal in 3minuite warning in 02/03?? )
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Post by Mizz Lola on Dec 5, 2009 5:34:57 GMT -5
Well, I have absolutly no sympathy whatsoever if it's drug related. WWE offered him help for his addiction, he refused. It's his own damn fault. yo as much as i agree with that, and thats inevitable in the WWE and all wrestling promotions, so yeah, sympathy but inevitablity, but dood, this sucks, i mean 36? not even 40 FFS! RIP umaga you'll be missed man and had some nice ink going there rem,ember the good and possitive times thanks for the entertainment (and wasnt he jamal in 3minuite warning in 02/03?? ) Um there's no autopsy yet....I think people are jumping the gun here. Remember he was a large man.... Yeah he was Jamal
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Post by bencw on Dec 5, 2009 5:41:40 GMT -5
It's very sad, but IMO we will see more of these types of death in wrestling rip umaga
it's weird it was only the other day I found my umaga fig and began displaying it and a guy on ani board has had 3 min warning avatar for last few days
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SystemofaDan
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Post by SystemofaDan on Dec 5, 2009 5:51:28 GMT -5
Very Sad News RIP Umaga
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Post by fanOfEveryThing8 on Dec 5, 2009 5:56:17 GMT -5
R.I.P Umaga
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Post by Mirror Images on Dec 5, 2009 7:12:13 GMT -5
R.I.P Umaga a talented and underated Big man.
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Post by Jack. on Dec 5, 2009 7:36:01 GMT -5
R.I.P Dude. Shame he was released because then maybe this wouldn't have happened.
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