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Post by June on Dec 11, 2009 11:16:14 GMT -5
I was just wondering who you guys consider to be the worst multi-time WCW World Champion. In no specific order I listed my top 3 worst, or most undeserving multi-time WCW champions of all time.
- Booker is one of a trio of wrestlers that was able to have numerous reigns with the once coveted WCW World Heavyweight Championship. He won the title for the first time against a man that should have never been World Champion to begin with (Jarrett) and who had actually lost the title earlier in the show by laying down for Hogan, but had the decision reversed by Russo. What more memorable way is there for a career midcarder (Booker T) to win a championship from a paper champion and fellow career midcarder than in an unadvertised impromptu match at a PPV? Well if you answered a San Francisco 49'ers Match, then you are the winner. Sure winning the title is a big deal, but how about losing it in class? I can can think of no better way than to drop the title to the company's booker Vince Russo.
- Jarrett is another plum of a World Champion that made his name paper thin name in the dying days of WCW. Jarrett held the WCW 4 Times for a combined 58 days. All his reigns occurred between April 16 2000 -
July 9 2000. In that time he won the Title for the first time against fellow undeserving champion DDP in a tournament final, was awarded the title once, and won it once in a match involving actor David Arquette, and the only time he pinned someone for it was against Flair, he went on to have his longest reign a grand total of 41 days. He also lost the WCW twice in one PPV as his last day as WCW Champion when he layed down for Hogan only to have the ruling nullified and the title returned to him which setup an impromptu loss to Booker T.
- Diamond Dallas Page held the WCW the 1st two times of his career between April 11 1999 and April 26 1999 holding the title for 28 total days combined. It would be a year before he reclaimed the virtually worthless WCW Title when he defeated paper-champ Jeff Jarrett on Nitro. DDP promptly lost the title the next night at the Thunder tapings and the man whom emerged Champion was the great Hollywood Actor' David Arquette.
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Post by Jimmy on Dec 12, 2009 18:04:26 GMT -5
DDP, because his reign contributed to WCW's downfall. Nitro's ratings really began to bottom out after he first won the WCW title. Jarrett and Booker I don't have a real problem with because it was at least trying something new.
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 12, 2009 18:21:33 GMT -5
I choose none of the above. I'll take option 4 in Lex Luger. In 1991 Luger was suppose to be the man that took Flairs "spot" when he left for the WWF. Luger while semi entertaining in '91 really flopped in the role. As the top heel in WCW his only matches of importance were constant wins over Ron Simmons and then his loss to Sting right before he left the company. His reign accomplished absolutely nothing except concreting the fact that Luger wasnt a draw.
What hurts more is 5-6 years later they try putting the title on Luger again, this time for 4 days. Outside of the territorial days, what is ever the point of having a world champion for just a few days. It helped Lugers career absolutely non and the only reason it was done was because it was part of a clause in his contract when he jumped ship. Luger failed the first time as champion and had no reason to ever sniff the title again. I will say that Luger however is one of the better United States champions of my time
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Post by June on Dec 13, 2009 7:31:47 GMT -5
I choose none of the above. I'll take option 4 in Lex Luger. In 1991 Luger was suppose to be the man that took Flairs "spot" when he left for the WWF. Luger while semi entertaining in '91 really flopped in the role. As the top heel in WCW his only matches of importance were constant wins over Ron Simmons and then his loss to Sting right before he left the company. His reign accomplished absolutely nothing except concreting the fact that Luger wasnt a draw. What hurts more is 5-6 years later they try putting the title on Luger again, this time for 4 days. Outside of the territorial days, what is ever the point of having a world champion for just a few days. It helped Lugers career absolutely non and the only reason it was done was because it was part of a clause in his contract when he jumped ship. Luger failed the first time as champion and had no reason to ever sniff the title again. I will say that Luger however is one of the better United States champions of my time I have a hard time considering Lex to be amongst the worst World Champs, WCW was in the toilet during his first and his reign was going to be looked down upon seeing as how he was going to instantly viewed as a paper-champion since he did not win the title from Flair. His 2nd run was basically another FU from Bischoff who admitted to having given him a lowball offer to come back to WCW which Lex accepted, so it's pretty safe to assume that if he did have a provision in his contract that would give him a World Title reign, that Easy E just gave him a 4 day run to be an ass, because Lex was white hot leading up to his title win in 97, I think that was actually the highest rated match during the monday night wars, if I'm not mistaken. Another reason why I can't consider him to be a terrible champion is because the belt was not a joke when he held, and he was an established star when he won the title each time, unlike the 3 men I listed in the poll. |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Dec 13, 2009 11:39:26 GMT -5
I choose none of the above. I'll take option 4 in Lex Luger. In 1991 Luger was suppose to be the man that took Flairs "spot" when he left for the WWF. Luger while semi entertaining in '91 really flopped in the role. As the top heel in WCW his only matches of importance were constant wins over Ron Simmons and then his loss to Sting right before he left the company. His reign accomplished absolutely nothing except concreting the fact that Luger wasnt a draw. What hurts more is 5-6 years later they try putting the title on Luger again, this time for 4 days. Outside of the territorial days, what is ever the point of having a world champion for just a few days. It helped Lugers career absolutely non and the only reason it was done was because it was part of a clause in his contract when he jumped ship. Luger failed the first time as champion and had no reason to ever sniff the title again. I will say that Luger however is one of the better United States champions of my time I have a hard time considering Lex to be amongst the worst World Champs, WCW was in the toilet during his first and his reign was going to be looked down upon seeing as how he was going to instantly viewed as a paper-champion since he did not win the title from Flair. His 2nd run was basically another FU from Bischoff who admitted to having given him a lowball offer to come back to WCW which Lex accepted, so it's pretty safe to assume that if he did have a provision in his contract that would give him a World Title reign, that Easy E just gave him a 4 day run to be an ass, because Lex was white hot leading up to his title win in 97, I think that was actually the highest rated match during the monday night wars, if I'm not mistaken. Another reason why I can't consider him to be a terrible champion is because the belt was not a joke when he held, and he was an established star when he won the title each time, unlike the 3 men I listed in the poll. I have a hard time considering Lex one of the worst as well. I gotta say though that 4 day title reign was complete bull and I have no clue as well why you would give somebody the title just to lose to Hogan at the PPV but hey....that was WCW. |
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Post by WFK on Dec 13, 2009 11:44:19 GMT -5
I don't think any of them were really undeserving. Maybe not a good choice at the time but definitely not undeserving. All three men proved that they deserved the title at one point or another.
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Post by June on Dec 13, 2009 14:34:01 GMT -5
I don't think any of them were really undeserving. Maybe not a good choice at the time but definitely not undeserving. All three men proved that they deserved the title at one point or another. See here's how I see things. I feel that a World Title should be awarded to a guy that is clearly without a shadow of a doubt the best in the business and should not be treated like a cheap trophy that is passed out to every kid on the little league team. If you look at the WWE Championship prior to the Attitude Era, you can see that some of the WWE's all time greats never held the Championship (Ted DiBiase, Roddy Piper, Paul Orndorf, Rick Rude, Curt Hennig, Roddy Piper & Jake Roberts) and that in it of itself makes the title all the more prestigious. This is why I consider the trio of Booker T, DDP & Double J to be undeserving. They have never at any points in their careers been the absolute best in their respective fed's. |
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Post by gordon on Dec 13, 2009 15:59:11 GMT -5
I don't think any of them were really undeserving. Maybe not a good choice at the time but definitely not undeserving. All three men proved that they deserved the title at one point or another. See here's how I see things. I feel that a World Title should be awarded to a guy that is clearly without a shadow of a doubt the best in the business and should not be treated like a cheap trophy that is passed out to every kid on the little league team. If you look at the WWE Championship prior to the Attitude Era, you can see that some of the WWE's all time greats never held the Championship (Ted DiBiase, Roddy Piper, Paul Orndorf, Rick Rude, Curt Hennig, Roddy Piper & Jake Roberts) and that in it of itself makes the title all the more prestigious. This is why I consider the trio of Booker T, DDP & Double J to be undeserving. They have never at any points in their careers been the absolute best in their respective fed's. But that's gonna happen with every promotion. Is Cena currently the best? He has average in-ring talent and a stale gimmick. So it's debatable. Is Taker currently the best? He's old and only works part time, so once again it's debatable. |
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Post by June on Dec 13, 2009 16:52:32 GMT -5
See here's how I see things. I feel that a World Title should be awarded to a guy that is clearly without a shadow of a doubt the best in the business and should not be treated like a cheap trophy that is passed out to every kid on the little league team. If you look at the WWE Championship prior to the Attitude Era, you can see that some of the WWE's all time greats never held the Championship (Ted DiBiase, Roddy Piper, Paul Orndorf, Rick Rude, Curt Hennig, Roddy Piper & Jake Roberts) and that in it of itself makes the title all the more prestigious. This is why I consider the trio of Booker T, DDP & Double J to be undeserving. They have never at any points in their careers been the absolute best in their respective fed's. But that's gonna happen with every promotion. Is Cena currently the best? He has average in-ring talent and a stale gimmick. So it's debatable. Is Taker currently the best? He's old and only works part time, so once again it's debatable. When looking at each man's respective brands, I'd have to say yes they are the best. Cena excells in the area that is most important for a World Champion and that is in putting butts in seats and getting a reaction out of the crowd. Over on Smackdown the Undertaker does the same. The problem with the current product is the fact that the World Titles are defended monthly which leads to stale title matches, which is one of the reasons why the WWE jumped the gun and tossed Sheamus in a World Title program that he is not ready for. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 17:53:41 GMT -5
Out of those, I'd have to go with Jeff Jarrett, if anybody...
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Post by Terrys Wrestling Figures on Dec 15, 2009 11:57:09 GMT -5
Although i didn't like DDP as champion i voted for Jarrett as he really wasn't a main event guy, even in his own promotion he hasn't looked like a main event guy. Jarrett was more of a US/IC title guy IMO & like DDP he only got the title cos he was buddys with the booker/person running the show.
Booker i think was right to have the title even though they could of booked him stronger, he went out a put a really good showing of himself in the ring.
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Post by Hurricane on Dec 15, 2009 17:58:10 GMT -5
They all deserved it, just WCW's booking made it horrendous.
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Post by calhil8 on Dec 16, 2009 6:36:26 GMT -5
What about Sid Vicious he had a title reign towards the end of WCW which I think he was undeserving of
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Post by June on Dec 16, 2009 8:28:26 GMT -5
What about Sid Vicious he had a title reign towards the end of WCW which I think he was undeserving of Sid does not belong on the list of undeserving champs. When Sid won his 2nd WCW Title, he had already mainevented 2 Wrestlemania's, and held the WWE Title twice. Sid was a legit star & worthy of the title. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2009 16:08:18 GMT -5
I voted JJ but for me its Lex Luger.
Luger was totally undeserving IMO.
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Post by June on Dec 16, 2009 19:26:12 GMT -5
I voted JJ but for me its Lex Luger. Luger was totally undeserving IMO. Does that have anything to do with his personal life years after both of his title runs? Because I can not see how the greatest US Champion in WCW history can be considered undeserving of the World Title when he actually won the strap for the 1st time a few years later than he should have. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 0:56:46 GMT -5
Jarrett for me. I just can't stand the guy or his gimmick, and I don't get his appeal. I don't think he should have held any title, let alone the world championship. From your list, DDP is the runner-up. His character was okay, but he just never struck me as world championship material. At least I've seen him in a good match, which is something I can't say for Jarrett.
I actually didn't mind Booker as the champion. He's a good worker (great matches with Benoit) who has the look and in ring skill to be a short term champion when your promotion is in a pinch. I did hate the knock off Rock gimmick they gave him though.
I agree that Luger shouldn't have been given the belt in 1991, but his qualifications as a champion eclipse these guys. Luger worse than Jarrett? -- I doubt it.
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Post by carly1988 on Dec 17, 2009 1:34:32 GMT -5
I voted JJ but for me its Lex Luger. Luger was totally undeserving IMO. Does that have anything to do with his personal life years after both of his title runs? Because I can not see how the greatest US Champion in WCW history can be considered undeserving of the World Title when he actually won the strap for the 1st time a few years later than he should have. Luger was a great US champ no doubt but Luger didnt have the "it" factor when he won the title. He was basically pushed in to fill Flairs spot which he clearly couldnt do with or without Flair in the company and then even though he was one of the top faces in '96 everyone knew nothing would come of him winning the title. Everyone wanted to see Hogan vs Sting. Lugers prime time for the world title were 1988 and 1995 and WCW passed on both. Once Luger realized he wasnt getting the title after he returned he should have gotten the US title (instead of the TV) and dominated there again. |
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Post by LeighD on Dec 17, 2009 7:47:00 GMT -5
Jarrett for me. I cannot stand the guy. I never saw him nor will ever see him as a main eventer or a big draw. He will always be a midcarder at best.
DDP should of been a great champion and I think had WCW pushed him harder as heel champion, he would have been great.
Booker T was always a guy I felt was deserving of the title, but he just wasn't quite at Main Event level when he won the WCW Title.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2009 15:58:18 GMT -5
I voted JJ but for me its Lex Luger. Luger was totally undeserving IMO. Does that have anything to do with his personal life years after both of his title runs? Because I can not see how the greatest US Champion in WCW history can be considered undeserving of the World Title when he actually won the strap for the 1st time a few years later than he should have. it has ZERO to do with his personal life. never cared for Luger or his in ring"talent".I always found him lazy and very fond of the phone in. I also consider Rick Rude,Sting and many others to be above him in the US Title greats category. |
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