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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Jan 2, 2010 4:13:52 GMT -5
The last time I posted a rant was in July, and before that not very often at all did I post a rant.
I go to YouTube to enjoy various songs, and one I listened to was Don't Question My Heart, the current and since 2008 I believe Theme of ECW on Syfy. Glancing at comments below had a couple of people say they enjoy either today's ECW or Heyman and WWE's ECW, but those were the comments in the minority. As expected, most replied with comments usually looking like: "ECW uzed to be awsum with the EXTREME stuff but now Vince took all the EXTREME away and it's crap now." That's probably giving them more credit as nobody cares to type that much on YouTube.
I used to enjoy WWE's ECW, but still found the 93-01 ECW more entertaining, based on YouTube and mostly DVD's. Speaking of DVD's on ECW, the first ECW DVD I got was "The Rise and Fall of ECW" for Christmas in 2004. I watched it that day, and have watched it plenty since. One thing Paul Heyman said, the man who's ECW is miles and miles better than today's ECW apparently, said one very interesting thing. He said commenting on the Lucha Libre and technical wrestling that the original ECW featured quite often that without the Mysterio's, Malenko's, Jericho's and tons of others that the original ECW probably wouldn't have seen the success it did, as it took a break from flaming this and barbed wire that, and entertained and kept fans on the edge of their seats for a solid 15-20 minutes. I was obviously paraphrasing.
Now, I don't know how many ECW of yester-year die-hards/ECW of today crusaders we have on here, but for those, and for everybody else so I can see if I'm crazy or not, answer me this: How is the current ECW awful? It features tremendous Wrestling, probably since October the best WWE puts on Television, and occasionally features Extreme Rules Match's that are good-to-great since we don't get flaming tables wrapped in barbed wire, or just Extreme Rules Match's that often. I don't want to hear: "It's not what the original ECW was." The original ECW gave countless numbers of Wrestlers/people opportunity's elsewhere more known(WWE, WCW usually), and that's what ECW does today, just for other Shows in the same company. Do we have a major lack of what the original ECW provided Hardcore-wise? Of course. Do we have an abundance of Wrestling the original ECW featured? Again, of course. The Extreme was just part of the original ECW, as was the Lucha Libre and technical wrestling. Today, Extreme is a minor part of ECW, and Wrestling is a focal point of the Show. But one thing Heyman's ECW and WWE's ECW have in common is the most important thing: Both are/were platforms for an alternate brand of Wrestling, and gave lots of performers opportunity's in greener pastures, as the saying goes.
So again, am I crazy, and if so do explain, or is today's ECW not crappy as 95% of fans label it as today?
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Post by Hurricane on Jan 2, 2010 5:45:51 GMT -5
Barely anyone labels it as crappy. I believe, like me, others have a problem with the name. It should NOT be called ECW. It is not extreme, it is nothing like ECW and NOBODY from the original ECW is even involved in it anymore, since Tommy Dreamer left. It has the best matches, the best storylines and is (in my opinion anyway) the best show, but it is no ECW.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2010 7:10:54 GMT -5
It's seen better days.
Get Christian on SmackDown ffs.
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Post by machoking on Jan 2, 2010 8:29:51 GMT -5
I enjoy ECW, but it has become so stagnant.
A good match stops being an enjoyable one, when you've seen it god knows how many weeks in a row.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jan 2, 2010 8:46:24 GMT -5
I haven't watched ECW ever since that f*cking zombie came to the ring.
You know what it lacks? The ECW arena. The non-$80,000 camera angles. Hat guy. Blood. The chants of the rowdy Philly fans (You f*cked up!... Taz is gonna kill you... Please don't go!...etc). The smoky, dirty non-airconditioned look of the original. The commercials plugging the latest T shirts or where ECW will be on tour.
And its still not ECW unless Joey Styles is doing commentary.
ECW is like an old classic vinyl record that should never have been released on a CD. Know what I mean?
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Post by bobsfedder on Jan 2, 2010 8:47:49 GMT -5
This is ECW
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Post by mattoriginal on Jan 2, 2010 8:51:12 GMT -5
I haven't watched ECW ever since that f*cking zombie came to the ring.You know what it lacks? The ECW arena. The non-$80,000 camera angles. Hat guy. Blood. The chants of the rowdy Philly fans (You f*cked up!... Taz is gonna kill you... Please don't go!...etc). The smoky, dirty non-airconditioned look of the original. The commercials plugging the latest T shirts or where ECW will be on tour. And its still not ECW unless Joey Styles is doing commentary. ECW is like an old classic vinyl record that should never have been released on a CD. Know what I mean? You missed that one part where Sandman, you know that ECW guy, beat the crap out of Zombie, or the part where Paul Heyman wrote that in the show's rundown because of the rumor that ECW would be a gimmick show since it was on Sci-Fi. |
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Post by marino13 on Jan 2, 2010 11:05:03 GMT -5
Simple math...
Same format + a few more names - the name ECW = the best wrestling show on TV.
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Post by S on Jan 2, 2010 11:31:55 GMT -5
I don't really know anyone who describes it as crappy, what i think annoys people is the fact that it is just called ECW when there really is no reason for it to be called ECW
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Post by muccguy88 on Jan 2, 2010 11:46:30 GMT -5
actually ever since getting a dvr i started watching smackdown and ecw again and they r pretty good shows. i enjoy the young talent on ecw and the solid wrestling. storyline rnt bad either. i just think they should drop the ecw name because it doesnt have the feel of the old ecw. plus wwe doesnt have a brand called wcw. its like wwe is trying to make money off a dead company. in the original ecw there was a lot more interaction with the fans. people would fight in the crowd take wepons from the fans. the fans were a major part of the show now we r just there to watch and cheer or boo. also i think ecw should stretch to maybe an hour and a half. the one hour show may be a little constricting as far as showcasing talent. i was at the last ecw show on tuesday and the dark match was goldust vs tyler recks. now apparently recks has been around for i think he said 6 months. yet that was my first time ever hearing of him. hes decent. maybe he could be a star if wwe had more time to showcase him.
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Post by 1992 on Jan 2, 2010 12:14:11 GMT -5
LOL @ people chalking it up due to a name.
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Post by beefpuppet on Jan 2, 2010 12:14:56 GMT -5
its a great wrestling show. is solid with great in ring action for the majority of time it is on the air. however as many have stated, it needs to change the letters. The show does have some of what the original ECW had, such as the technical wrestling. what is lacking is the EXTREME side of it. Those insane blood baths were only great because they were broken up by an amazing technical match. All blood and extreme never works. look at CZW. That crap is simply awful. The original ECW had it all, great characters you loved to hate, wrestlers you truly loved, men you truly gained respect for after watching them perform, amazing technical matches that gave some of the greatest of all time their start ( Jericho, Benoit, Eddie). THIS is what is lacking from the ECW or today.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jan 2, 2010 13:10:24 GMT -5
Like many have said, my problem is its name. It shouldn't be ECW.
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Post by The Future on Jan 2, 2010 13:21:23 GMT -5
I fully agree with you, OU Fan. I feel that many people nowadays simply want to chalk it up to the fact that "It's not as HARDCORE! as the original ECW"...yet ECW was just always a smaller venue, and an alternative to both the other much more grandiose promotions going on at the time in the mainstream.
I feel the same thing can be said for WWE's ECW nowadays- with RAW usually getting the spotlight, and SD! receiving much more attention than ECW is ever given as well...just look at the past 3 or 4 drafts- in each one, ECW gets raaaaaped for all the talent they have valiantly built up through the past year- and they get plugged onto the larger brands to become bigger names and future stars. I have no problem with this, it's great to have a proving ground and a venue to groom the next great crop of Stars. It doesn't bother me one bit that they call it 'ECW' however- because it's never harped upon...it's not advertised as the most gruesome show on TV, so I can't come to expect that. It's fresh, always interchanging the people they have in a main feud at the moment, sometimes rotating how many stars even make it on the show that week(although I chalk that up to time constraints) and it's done a phenomenal job of developing these upstart character fresh out of FCW and allowing them to shine on a lower platform than the 'Flagship show' of RAW where it seems everything original goes to die.
It keeps up the same spirit as the original ECW, and to me that's what matters most. It allows for technical and psychological showcases in 15 minute long main events between two wrestlers who have a REASON to be fighting in the spot that they are, and with crisp commentating, young blood and progressing storylines that actually make you care. To me, I don't care if the ECW block of programming was named 'Poopty Wrestling Dojo' and they had Tony Atlas come out for 18 minutes per episode to tapdance and lick Molasses off of Savannah's toes before we got to the actual matches...it still ENTERTAINS US like the Wrestling product is supposed to and gives us great matches- which is at the core what you expect and ask for first and foremost from WWE programming. It's a place guys can go to test out some outlandish gimmicks that otherwise might not be given a chance, or to bring up a new announcer, concept, or valet to see if they fit with the WWE Universe. Sure, it was a nice touch giving Tommy the ECW belt one last time before he left for good- but let's be honest, this would be a HORRENDOUS show if we still had Balls Mahoney and Sandman vs. Sabu and Rhino week in and week out...also, we are asking for NEW talent- and that's what ECW was great for in its time, innovating. I feel this new breed of ECW does just that and more. I couldn't love it more if I tried.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jan 2, 2010 13:26:28 GMT -5
yah, they should call it like wwe extreme, or something like that, ecw is just a lame name because its not even remotely close to the original real ecw
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Post by The Future on Jan 2, 2010 13:27:54 GMT -5
yah, they should call it like wwe extreme, or something like that, ecw is just a lame name because its not even remotely close to the original real ecw Well, 'WWE Extreme' wouldn't even really fit in with the product, or this current Era- to be honest. Sheesh, I'd rather just have them be blunt and name it 'WWE Proving Ground'...quite simply: WWE: PGIt fits on so many levels. |
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Post by eenyc21 on Jan 2, 2010 13:31:15 GMT -5
I fully agree with you, OU Fan. I feel that many people nowadays simply want to chalk it up to the fact that "It's not as HARDCORE! as the original ECW"...yet ECW was just always a smaller venue, and an alternative to both the other much more grandiose promotions going on at the time in the mainstream. I feel the same thing can be said for WWE's ECW nowadays- with RAW usually getting the spotlight, and SD! receiving much more attention than ECW is ever given as well...just look at the past 3 or 4 drafts- in each one, ECW gets raaaaaped for all the talent they have valiantly built up through the past year- and they get plugged onto the larger brands to become bigger names and future stars. I have no problem with this, it's great to have a proving ground and a venue to groom the next great crop of Stars. It doesn't bother me one bit that they call it 'ECW' however- because it's never harped upon...it's not advertised as the most gruesome show on TV, so I can't come to expect that. It's fresh, always interchanging the people they have in a main feud at the moment, sometimes rotating how many stars even make it on the show that week(although I chalk that up to time constraints) and it's done a phenomenal job of developing these upstart character fresh out of FCW and allowing them to shine on a lower platform than the 'Flagship show' of RAW where it seems everything original goes to die. It keeps up the same spirit as the original ECW, and to me that's what matters most. It allows for technical and psychological showcases in 15 minute long main events between two wrestlers who have a REASON to be fighting in the spot that they are, and with crisp commentating, young blood and progressing storylines that actually make you care. To me, I don't care if the ECW block of programming was named 'Poopty Wrestling Dojo' and they had Tony Atlas come out for 18 minutes per episode to tapdance and lick Molasses off of Savannah's toes before we got to the actual matches...it still ENTERTAINS US like the Wrestling product is supposed to and gives us great matches- which is at the core what you expect and ask for first and foremost from WWE programming. It's a place guys can go to test out some outlandish gimmicks that otherwise might not be given a chance, or to bring up a new announcer, concept, or valet to see if they fit with the WWE Universe. Sure, it was a nice touch giving Tommy the ECW belt one last time before he left for good- but let's be honest, this would be a HORRENDOUS show if we still had Balls Mahoney and Sandman vs. Sabu and Rhino week in and week out...also, we are asking for NEW talent- and that's what ECW was great for in its time, innovating. I feel this new breed of ECW does just that and more. I couldn't love it more if I tried. I love you Mr Future. |
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Post by Random Hero Est. 2003 on Jan 2, 2010 14:28:30 GMT -5
The point is it ISN'T ECW. Extreme Championship Wrestling was it's own animal, and this is, like you said, WWE's televised developmental territory. Paul Heyman didn't plan on signing Steve Austin and having him jump to WWE and become a mega star.. So you can't say that the original ECW's focus was getting superstars ready for the bigger leagues, because Heyman only wanted his company to prosper. They should rename the current "ECW" because it's not Extreme Championship Wrestling... It's just wrestling.
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Post by The Future on Jan 2, 2010 14:40:42 GMT -5
The point is it ISN'T ECW. Extreme Championship Wrestling was it's own animal, and this is, like you said, WWE's televised developmental territory. Paul Heyman didn't plan on signing Steve Austin and having him jump to WWE and become a mega star.. So you can't say that the original ECW's focus was getting superstars ready for the bigger leagues, because Heyman only wanted his company to prosper. They should rename the current "ECW" because it's not Extreme Championship Wrestling... It's just wrestling. Well, it could stand for 'Extremely Christlike Wrestling'...you never know. |
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Post by eenyc21 on Jan 2, 2010 14:48:25 GMT -5
The point is it ISN'T ECW. Extreme Championship Wrestling was it's own animal, and this is, like you said, WWE's televised developmental territory. Paul Heyman didn't plan on signing Steve Austin and having him jump to WWE and become a mega star.. So you can't say that the original ECW's focus was getting superstars ready for the bigger leagues, because Heyman only wanted his company to prosper. They should rename the current "ECW" because it's not Extreme Championship Wrestling... It's just wrestling. Well, it could stand for 'Extremely Christlike Wrestling'...you never know. Perfect name for it when you have Ryder on every week. |
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