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Post by Cammi Oh on Jan 6, 2010 12:27:20 GMT -5
Them vs Us mentality is common in sports. I agree, the better they both are the MORE good wrestling there is out there!
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Post by LA Times on Jan 6, 2010 13:48:11 GMT -5
I want TNA to succeed so bad because the WWE has just been $#!+ lately. HHH is guaranteed to be in the main event picture from Jan-Wrestlemania each year, they shove guys nobody cares about like Mr Kennedy down our throats, 6-month gimmicks like Jillian Hall go on for 3+ years and a leprechaun has been getting a bigger push than 90% of the roster.
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 6, 2010 14:54:23 GMT -5
WWE has good acting, good backstage segments, less interference, no Mike Tenay freaking out over the smallest thing, a lot of young talent who are being pushed continually, and (less) finishes to matches that are not complete horse****. TNA is the opposite. I hate that they changed their mind about being pro-wrestling, and decided to (try) and be Attitude Era Jr. - that's how I see them, that's why I dislike them, and frankly, I can't take them seriously at all. Sure a lot of young talent are being pushed. That's why the main event scene has been the same for the last 3 years with the exception of Punk, Hardy, and Sheamus. We've got guys like Cena still fueding for the WWE title, and DX and JeriShow are fueding over the tag-titles. That's why Bourne, Swagger, The Miz, Morrison, Kofi, and MVP are all still lost in the mid-card. For granted the Miz is holding a less than significant US title and Kofi is fueding with Orton. I'm not taking sides, but to say that WWE is pushing young talent isn't necessairly fact. You seem to think that by saying "push" - I mean pushed to the main event. And that isn't what I meant. Can you really name another time WWE had as many young guys on their roster? WWE has a ton of new talent on their hands, they might not be 'pushing' these guys in the sense of giving them main event spots, but they are building new stars, and preparing for the future. On the other hand, let's go to TNA correspondent Bubba the Love Sponge where he is standing by with the Nasty Boys, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, and Hulk Hogan to see what they have to say about the young guys. |
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Post by StingerSplash on Jan 6, 2010 17:19:41 GMT -5
Sure a lot of young talent are being pushed. That's why the main event scene has been the same for the last 3 years with the exception of Punk, Hardy, and Sheamus. We've got guys like Cena still fueding for the WWE title, and DX and JeriShow are fueding over the tag-titles. That's why Bourne, Swagger, The Miz, Morrison, Kofi, and MVP are all still lost in the mid-card. For granted the Miz is holding a less than significant US title and Kofi is fueding with Orton. I'm not taking sides, but to say that WWE is pushing young talent isn't necessairly fact. You seem to think that by saying "push" - I mean pushed to the main event. And that isn't what I meant. Can you really name another time WWE had as many young guys on their roster? WWE has a ton of new talent on their hands, they might not be 'pushing' these guys in the sense of giving them main event spots, but they are building new stars, and preparing for the future. On the other hand, let's go to TNA correspondent Bubba the Love Sponge where he is standing by with the Nasty Boys, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, and Hulk Hogan to see what they have to say about the young guys. No I really can't. And I'll agree TNA is using older stars, but hey so is WWE. That's all I'm trying to say. |
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Post by BigShab421 on Jan 6, 2010 17:41:45 GMT -5
You seem to think that by saying "push" - I mean pushed to the main event. And that isn't what I meant. Can you really name another time WWE had as many young guys on their roster? WWE has a ton of new talent on their hands, they might not be 'pushing' these guys in the sense of giving them main event spots, but they are building new stars, and preparing for the future. On the other hand, let's go to TNA correspondent Bubba the Love Sponge where he is standing by with the Nasty Boys, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, and Hulk Hogan to see what they have to say about the young guys. No I really can't. And I'll agree TNA is using older stars, but hey so is WWE. That's all I'm trying to say. But the difference is WWE's older guys are more recognizable. Ok so you have Hogan and Flair, but then you have the Nasty Boys, Sean Morely (nobody knows who he is unless announced as Val Venis), Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Jeff Jarrett and a bunch of other irrelevant has beens. And on the other hand WWE's older guys are HHH, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, Big Show, Rey Mysterio, Christian and Edge, all of which are in better wrestling shape and promote more fans than TNA can think of. Until TNA gets a decent creative and booking staff, the company will continue to pull in 1.2 ratings and go nowhere. |
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 6, 2010 19:12:48 GMT -5
No I really can't. And I'll agree TNA is using older stars, but hey so is WWE. That's all I'm trying to say. But the difference is WWE's older guys are more recognizable. Ok so you have Hogan and Flair, but then you have the Nasty Boys, Sean Morely (nobody knows who he is unless announced as Val Venis), Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Jeff Jarrett and a bunch of other irrelevant has beens. And on the other hand WWE's older guys are HHH, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, Big Show, Rey Mysterio, Christian and Edge, all of which are in better wrestling shape and promote more fans than TNA can think of. Until TNA gets a decent creative and booking staff, the company will continue to pull in 1.2 ratings and go nowhere. Thank you, you worded that better than I think I could have. Taker, HBK, Hunter, and the rest of them are also still relevant. When was the last time anyone saw Flair, Hogan, Scott Hall, or The Nasty Boys on a regular basis to even make them SEEM relevant to wrestling today? When I think of those guys I think of the 80's and 90's - just like I do with a few WWE guys, the difference being that with the WWE guys, I can still lump them with with wrestling NOW. They still are big names, don't get me wrong, but I really, REALLY think fans want to see new, fresh, vibrant, YOUNG talent, and I don't think Hogan bringing in his buddies are going to do TNA many favors. And for  sake, I still can't get over TNA having Bubba the ing Love Sponge as a correspondent. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 19:14:42 GMT -5
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Post by BigShab421 on Jan 6, 2010 19:20:43 GMT -5
But the difference is WWE's older guys are more recognizable. Ok so you have Hogan and Flair, but then you have the Nasty Boys, Sean Morely (nobody knows who he is unless announced as Val Venis), Scott Hall, Sean Waltman, Jeff Jarrett and a bunch of other irrelevant has beens. And on the other hand WWE's older guys are HHH, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Chris Jericho, Big Show, Rey Mysterio, Christian and Edge, all of which are in better wrestling shape and promote more fans than TNA can think of. Until TNA gets a decent creative and booking staff, the company will continue to pull in 1.2 ratings and go nowhere. Thank you, you worded that better than I think I could have. Taker, HBK, Hunter, and the rest of them are also still relevant. When was the last time anyone saw Flair, Hogan, Scott Hall, or The Nasty Boys on a regular basis to even make them SEEM relevant to wrestling today? When I think of those guys I think of the 80's and 90's - just like I do with a few WWE guys, the difference being that with the WWE guys, I can still lump them with with wrestling NOW. They still are big names, don't get me wrong, but I really, REALLY think fans want to see new, fresh, vibrant, YOUNG talent, and I don't think Hogan bringing in his buddies are going to do TNA many favors. And for sake, I still can't get over TNA having Bubba the ing Love Sponge as a correspondent. Exactly, I'll correct myself, Flair will always be relevant personally. But killing off his WWE career @ WrestleMania 2 years ago, and then coming back to TNA unannounced was not a good move, and as the ratings show, did not bring any fans. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 6, 2010 19:21:33 GMT -5
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 6, 2010 19:34:40 GMT -5
Exactly, I'll correct myself, Flair will always be relevant personally. But killing off his WWE career @ WrestleMania 2 years ago, and then coming back to TNA unannounced was not a good move, and as the ratings show, did not bring any fans. I guess I'd feel like he was more relevant if he'd have been on TV a little more often than the short program he had with Jericho. The man can still wrestle, but I have a bitter taste in my mouth with, like you said, the send off he got, and then showing up on TNA. |
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 6, 2010 19:38:48 GMT -5
Because it's fun and we need something to fight about to keep the forum from being boring. See; HBK fans vs Bret fans, Hardy fans vs Punk fans and Punk fans vs Morrison fans.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 6, 2010 19:40:23 GMT -5
I want TNA to succeed so bad because the WWE has just been $#!+ lately. HHH is guaranteed to be in the main event picture from Jan-Wrestlemania each year, they shove guys nobody cares about like Mr Kennedy down our throats, 6-month gimmicks like Jillian Hall go on for 3+ years and a leprechaun has been getting a bigger push than 90% of the roster. Nobody cared about Mr. Kennedy? You make me laugh, he had tons of fans and was getting great reactions until he was on the shelf. I have no doubt that if he joins TNA, he will become HUGE and will stay healthy and WWE will regret his release. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2010 21:28:33 GMT -5
hmmm....TNA is a cluster . Period. |
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Post by The Future on Jan 6, 2010 21:34:51 GMT -5
Because TNA is like the uglier little brother in the family, trying to gain attention from the opposite sex. No matter how hard he tries to act out, buff up, or poke out his chest- he just doesn't have that same natural charm his older brother WWE does. He can't seem to win over his audience.
We are just so enamored with the older brother- that we sometimes argue against those supporting the black sheep. They, in turn- act out of spite and lash back at us for backing up someone we've enjoyed being in the presence of for decades.
It's a never ending family feud. But in the end, it's all love.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 6, 2010 21:38:57 GMT -5
I want TNA to succeed so bad because the WWE has just been $#!+ lately. HHH is guaranteed to be in the main event picture from Jan-Wrestlemania each year, they shove guys nobody cares about like Mr Kennedy down our throats, 6-month gimmicks like Jillian Hall go on for 3+ years and a leprechaun has been getting a bigger push than 90% of the roster. Nobody cared about Mr. Kennedy? You make me laugh, he had tons of fans and was getting great reactions until he was on the shelf. I have no doubt that if he joins TNA, he will become HUGE and will stay healthy and WWE will regret his release. Not to start any arguments, but WWE will not regret his release at all. Quite frankly because anybody who main events in TNA would basically be a mid carder in WWE. WWE released Kennedy but still have Kofi, Morrison, Bourne, Swagger, etc who if given a few years (some more than other of course) could be big time Main Eventers in WWE. |
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 6, 2010 21:59:46 GMT -5
Nobody cared about Mr. Kennedy? You make me laugh, he had tons of fans and was getting great reactions until he was on the shelf. I have no doubt that if he joins TNA, he will become HUGE and will stay healthy and WWE will regret his release. Not to start any arguments, but WWE will not regret his release at all. Quite frankly because anybody who main events in TNA would basically be a mid carder in WWE. WWE released Kennedy but still have Kofi, Morrison, Bourne, Swagger, etc who if given a few years (some more than other of course) could be big time Main Eventers in WWE. Not true, Kurt Angle wasn't a midcarder. And they'd take him back after TNA makes him big, like Christian. And no, the main eventers in years to come will be Triple H, Edge, John Cena, Randy Orton and Batista. That's it. |
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Post by deskjet on Jan 6, 2010 22:03:50 GMT -5
I enjoy both, but I watch more of TNA. What get's me is people that think you're not a fan or are a fan of the competiton when you bash the other company. I've been bashing TNA since Monday, but I'll still watch it. It has it's good moments, but TNA just doesnt seem to know how to make any type of storylines. At least in WWE, even though it gets played out, they work the storylines out. As much as WWE gets bashed for there PG rating, It pales when you look at some of the embarassing stuff that TNA does, and that's just on the production end of things.
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Post by The Dude on Jan 6, 2010 23:30:36 GMT -5
Because TNA fans are annoying. They always think that TNA is the best product out. When I used to watch TNA for like 2004 to 2005, they were a great alternative, I ordered all of their PPVs, then the Dudleyz came in and trashed talked WWE and from there it's been all about TNA is the best and WWE is sh*t. Week after week it's the same garbage all over. WWE just ignores competition as if they don't exist. But with TNA they snatch up every WWE release, and once they debut it's WWE s trash, blah blah blah Triple H is evil, blah blah blah In TNA I am going to be huge, blah blah blah. And TNA fans think the same way. TNA USED to be really good, then they started picking up EVERY WWE outcast and it got old fast.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jan 6, 2010 23:35:46 GMT -5
I'm a fan of both tbh. Until Monday I still tune into every show (which I'm sure most do) on a fairly regular basis unless something comes up. I mean nobody has the same opinion, so of course you have your TNA supporters/haters & your WWE supporters/haters. I mean its just in the cards as far as having a rival. I truthfully just love wrestling in general, so I want both to succeed. Like others have already stated, I mean if TNA starts to succeed I believe it will only cause WWE to step their game up. This will produce better wrestling from both companies.
Think of it like this which I know may not be the best example but its the best I could think of lol. If your lifting weights with a friend and your alternating between sets & lets just say he's bench pressing and he gets 205 and you get 195. Its becomes competition, it motivates you to do everything in your power to get stronger than him. Its apart of that alpha male mentality. This competition helps not only you but your friend as well as you both grow stronger.
My point is with that bad comparison is that with TNA beginning to succeed, WWE will begin to realize they have a little more competition than they thought. This will only better WWE's product as they begin to take TNA serious. This makes for better wrestling from both companies as a whole, which in my opinion is a true "payday" for wrestling fans if you get my drift.
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