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Post by Adam on Jan 11, 2010 15:00:36 GMT -5
Do I have to remind you who the current world champion is? I never seen him in WCW before. Check and mate.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 11, 2010 15:01:29 GMT -5
What's so bad about the logo? The other one looked 3D and the last one looked like a pic-fed logo. And how is TNA a second grade WCW? They're two completely different companies, it's like saying the revived ECW is the same as the old one and even when they had Sabu, Balls Mahoney, Sandman etc, everyone was marking over it. Yet when TNA bring in a few WCW and WWE guys, it's criminal . Do I have to remind you who the current world champion is? I never seen him in WCW before. And what about the Global Champ? Nope, never. And the Tag Champs? WWE called it ECW. So its fine. If TNA changed their named to WCW, nobody would have a problem with what they do booking wise.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 15:07:48 GMT -5
I said I never seen him in it, not that he was never in it. And what about WWE? They've took talent from AWA, NWA, WCW, ECW and even TNA before too and I don't see anybody complaining. Let's see... Curt Hennig, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Greg Valentine, Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle (I mean, if you're counting AJ for WCW...), Tazz, RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Triple H (See Angle), Undertaker (See Angle), The Hurricane, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Raven, Steve Austin, Ted DiBiase, Goldberg, CM Punk, Marcus Cor Von, Kizarny, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Booker T, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Chavo Guerrero. Yep and that's only half.
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Jan 11, 2010 15:11:43 GMT -5
I said I never seen him in it, not that he was never in it. And what about WWE? They've took talent from AWA, NWA, WCW, ECW and even TNA before too and I don't see anybody complaining. Let's see... Curt Hennig, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Greg Valentine, Hulk Hogan, Kurt Angle (I mean, if you're counting AJ for WCW...), Tazz, RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Triple H (See Angle), Undertaker (See Angle), The Hurricane, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Raven, Steve Austin, Ted DiBiase, Goldberg, CM Punk, Marcus Cor Von, Kizarny, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Booker T, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, Chavo Guerrero. Yep and that's only half. Big difference between counting Angle as an ECW guy, and counting AJ as a WCW guy. Angle sat ringside at one ECW event, but Styles wrestled NUMEROUS matches for WCW.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 11, 2010 15:13:20 GMT -5
The thing I have against TNA with taking other talent is that they feed off of their previous success. WWE has taken TNA guys because they like what they see. But the guys that they have taken, they repackaged completely. Marcus Cor Von, Braden Walker, Vance Archer, hell even R-Truth even when he was in WWE/F before TNA. Also, when WWE signed Monty Brown, on the website they announced him as a former NFL player and nowhere did it mention TNA.
The difference between the two is that TNA gets people for what they used to be and WWE tries to make these guys into their own.
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Jan 11, 2010 15:16:15 GMT -5
The thing I have against TNA with taking other talent is that they feed off of their previous success. WWE has taken TNA guys because they like what they see. But the guys that they have taken, they repackaged completely. Marcus Cor Von, Braden Walker, Vance Archer, hell even R-Truth even when he was in WWE/F before TNA. Also, when WWE signed Monty Brown, on the website they announced him as a former NFL player and nowhere did it mention TNA. The difference between the two is that TNA gets people for what they used to be and WWE tries to make these guys into their own. Exactly. Sean Morley showed up in TNA as Val Venis. Sure, they didn't use the name, but it was the exact same character.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 15:36:47 GMT -5
The thing I have against TNA with taking other talent is that they feed off of their previous success. WWE has taken TNA guys because they like what they see. But the guys that they have taken, they repackaged completely. Marcus Cor Von, Braden Walker, Vance Archer, hell even R-Truth even when he was in WWE/F before TNA. Also, when WWE signed Monty Brown, on the website they announced him as a former NFL player and nowhere did it mention TNA. The difference between the two is that TNA gets people for what they used to be and WWE tries to make these guys into their own. Yes, and TNA are good for doing that. We don't want our intelligence insulted by having these guys talk about how they're some new wrestler, when we know damn right they're not. They're just doing what we're all thinking. When we see Val Venis there, we think "Hey, theres Val Venis", they say "Hey, look it's Val Venis!". What's so wrong with that? They know we recognize them. And they do change the gimmicks sometimes, Elijah Burke for instance.
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Jan 11, 2010 15:42:09 GMT -5
The thing I have against TNA with taking other talent is that they feed off of their previous success. WWE has taken TNA guys because they like what they see. But the guys that they have taken, they repackaged completely. Marcus Cor Von, Braden Walker, Vance Archer, hell even R-Truth even when he was in WWE/F before TNA. Also, when WWE signed Monty Brown, on the website they announced him as a former NFL player and nowhere did it mention TNA. The difference between the two is that TNA gets people for what they used to be and WWE tries to make these guys into their own. Yes, and TNA are good for doing that. We don't want our intelligence insulted by having these guys talk about how they're some new wrestler, when we know damn right they're not. They're just doing what we're all thinking. When we see Val Venis there, we think "Hey, theres Val Venis", they say "Hey, look it's Val Venis!". What's so wrong with that? They know we recognize them. And they do change the gimmicks sometimes, Elijah Burke for instance. Elijah Burke didn't really have a gimmick in WWE. So, it wasn't that hard to change. Also, don't defend TNA pretty much using WWE characters. It's not them being smart. It's them being lazy, and unoriginal.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 11, 2010 15:43:09 GMT -5
The thing I have against TNA with taking other talent is that they feed off of their previous success. WWE has taken TNA guys because they like what they see. But the guys that they have taken, they repackaged completely. Marcus Cor Von, Braden Walker, Vance Archer, hell even R-Truth even when he was in WWE/F before TNA. Also, when WWE signed Monty Brown, on the website they announced him as a former NFL player and nowhere did it mention TNA. The difference between the two is that TNA gets people for what they used to be and WWE tries to make these guys into their own. Yes, and TNA are good for doing that. We don't want our intelligence insulted by having these guys talk about how they're some new wrestler, when we know damn right they're not. They're just doing what we're all thinking. When we see Val Venis there, we think "Hey, theres Val Venis", they say "Hey, look it's Val Venis!". What's so wrong with that? They know we recognize them. But thats the biggest problem. People aren't going to go "Hey Val Venis! Now that he's on the show, I'm going to order TNA!" Same goes for Orlando Jordan, Shannon Moore, Morgan, Steiner, Taz, etc. The only thing TNA did that was actually a success was the build of Matt Morgan. To my knowledge, WWE had no play when he arrived at TNA. They built him from the bottom up and look at him now. If people didnt care about these guys in WWE, why would they in TNA? This is why you repackage guys, make them relevant and make them grow onto the fans. If I hated Kennedy in WWE and he goes to TNA and does the exact same crap and is main eventing out of nowhere, am I gonna like him? No. But if he starts lower on the card and gets built up to something totally different than he was in WWE, there is a good chance I will like him.
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Post by AdamBomb on Jan 11, 2010 15:56:56 GMT -5
I just love how TNA trashes WWE, but when they get someone who is a former World Champion in WWE, they treat it like a big deal and play it up.
"Hey, this guy was champion of a ****ty company and now he works here" - Doesn't really sound that good for TNA when you think about it.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 16:25:30 GMT -5
Yes, and TNA are good for doing that. We don't want our intelligence insulted by having these guys talk about how they're some new wrestler, when we know damn right they're not. They're just doing what we're all thinking. When we see Val Venis there, we think "Hey, theres Val Venis", they say "Hey, look it's Val Venis!". What's so wrong with that? They know we recognize them. But thats the biggest problem. People aren't going to go "Hey Val Venis! Now that he's on the show, I'm going to order TNA!" Same goes for Orlando Jordan, Shannon Moore, Morgan, Steiner, Taz, etc. The only thing TNA did that was actually a success was the build of Matt Morgan. To my knowledge, WWE had no play when he arrived at TNA. They built him from the bottom up and look at him now. If people didnt care about these guys in WWE, why would they in TNA? This is why you repackage guys, make them relevant and make them grow onto the fans. If I hated Kennedy in WWE and he goes to TNA and does the exact same crap and is main eventing out of nowhere, am I gonna like him? No. But if he starts lower on the card and gets built up to something totally different than he was in WWE, there is a good chance I will like him. Why would they change Val Venis' gimmick though? That's what he's known for. And they might get builded up for the midcard, so chill. And Marcus Cor Von's gimmick was the same in WWE lol... he was the Alpha Male in both. And Bryan Danielson's looks to be the same too, face it. WWE aren't much better, TNA are just doing their best to appeal to the casual audience. There's a few exceptions but theres no point in changing everybody's gimmick when the casual audience are familiar with them and they're already over. Kennedy, for example changing his microphone routine isn't good. People know him for screaming his name, and that's what he got over with.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 16:27:59 GMT -5
I just love how TNA trashes WWE, but when they get someone who is a former World Champion in WWE, they treat it like a big deal and play it up. "Hey, this guy was champion of a ****ty company and now he works here" - Doesn't really sound that good for TNA when you think about it. To be fair, they trash the company on air, not so much their stars. WWE did the same thing with WCW and ECW. It's all in the spirit of competition.
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Post by slappy on Jan 11, 2010 16:28:10 GMT -5
Him screaming Anderson will make the thing look weak that TNA just copied from the WWE. It would look like shit. But then again it is Anderson, so I wouldn't expect any different.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 16:42:09 GMT -5
Him screaming Anderson will make the thing look weak that TNA just copied from the WWE. It would look like poop. But then again it is Anderson, so I wouldn't expect any different. That's what he was originally called. Plus he's been doing that microphone thing since his OVW days, he thought of it, so how would they be copying WWE?
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 11, 2010 16:44:35 GMT -5
I just love how TNA trashes WWE, but when they get someone who is a former World Champion in WWE, they treat it like a big deal and play it up. "Hey, this guy was champion of a ****ty company and now he works here" - Doesn't really sound that good for TNA when you think about it. To be fair, they trash the company on air, not so much their stars. WWE did the same thing with WCW and ECW. It's all in the spirit of competition. Actually no, WWE did that when WCW first started against them, then stopped when they started getting hit in the pants by it. WWE was a supporter of ECW, they were usually trashed on TV as part of angles. Vince liked ECW because Heyman had the common interest of hating WCW. Heyman had no problem giving WWE talent or them going there if they chose to. Outside of that, WWE pretends that pro wrestling really doesn't exist unless they just say "independents" or Matt Striker brings up a foreign company.
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Post by slappy on Jan 11, 2010 16:47:22 GMT -5
Him screaming Anderson will make the thing look weak that TNA just copied from the WWE. It would look like poop. But then again it is Anderson, so I wouldn't expect any different. That's what he was originally called. Plus he's been doing that microphone thing since his OVW days, he thought of it, so how would they be copying WWE? And what was OVW? I forget, oh wait, it was apart of the WWE. That's his gimmick, the microphone thing is his gimmick and they'd be taking that right from the WWE. I hope the WWE sues.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 16:50:10 GMT -5
To be fair, they trash the company on air, not so much their stars. WWE did the same thing with WCW and ECW. It's all in the spirit of competition. Actually no, WWE did that when WCW first started against them, then stopped when they started getting hit in the pants by it. WWE was a supporter of ECW, they were usually trashed on TV as part of angles. Vince liked ECW because Heyman had the common interest of hating WCW. Heyman had no problem giving WWE talent or them going there if they chose to. Outside of that, WWE pretends that pro wrestling really doesn't exist unless they just say "independents" or Matt Striker brings up a foreign company. WWE took cheap shots at TNA before too, not in-directly but theres a couple of times I remember. Kennedy himself said something along the lines of "Thanks for showing up" to a Scott Hall impersonator, cause that week, he no-showed a TNA event. Cena also said something like "Dykstra is Artskyd spelt backwards!" in reference to "Rellik is Killer spelt backwards". There's a couple of more too. WWE act like they don't care about TNA but as far as I'm concerned, when they start taking TNA's talent out of their videos and proceed like they were never a part of the company, thats where the hypocrisy starts. WWE say TNA is no competition, so if that's the case - leave your stars in the videos. Show the people that they were made there and not in TNA. That's what I hate about WWE, they don't acknowledge anything when somebody gets on their bad side. TNA still reference Christian Cage from time to time and they obviously make it known that they have one of WWE's talents.
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Post by mnm213 on Jan 11, 2010 16:52:17 GMT -5
That's what he was originally called. Plus he's been doing that microphone thing since his OVW days, he thought of it, so how would they be copying WWE? And what was OVW? I forget, oh wait, it was apart of the WWE. That's his gimmick, the microphone thing is his gimmick and they'd be taking that right from the WWE. I hope the WWE sues. They can't sue. That's his gimmick, he can announce himself as Mr. Anderson, they can't sue until they start selling products with the name "Mr. Kennedy" or "Ken Kennedy" on them.
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Post by slappy on Jan 11, 2010 16:54:15 GMT -5
And what was OVW? I forget, oh wait, it was apart of the WWE. That's his gimmick, the microphone thing is his gimmick and they'd be taking that right from the WWE. I hope the WWE sues. They can't sue. That's his gimmick, he can announce himself as Mr. Anderson, they can't sue until they start selling products with the name "Mr. Kennedy" or "Ken Kennedy" on them. They can sue long before they put products out with the name. I'm sure it's close enough to just announce it similar, they could do it.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Jan 11, 2010 16:54:49 GMT -5
It's not THAT bad.
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