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Post by Mr. Orange on Feb 21, 2010 13:44:54 GMT -5
It seemed to me that Bisping was saved by the bell all 3 rounds. Final seconds of Round 1: Wandi starts to build some steam and had Bisping moving backwards then *ding* round over. Round 2: Bisping almost tapped. It looked like he brought his hand up to tap, hesitated, then decided to try and last until the bell, which he somehow did. Round 3: I thought Wandi had scored the TKO. The place I was watching at was so loud and cheering so much when Bisping went down that nobody heard the bell and thought the fight had been stopped. Obviously Bisping lost via decision, so I guess what I'm trying to say is that he was saved from being finished all 3 rounds. At least that is how I saw it. Yeah he was. For sure. The second round at the end I saw the choke on and the hand go up, I started screaming. Then the bell. But I think Wanderlei won the fight in the last 10 seconds. You never know how the judges score a fight and I think he for sure pulled it out at the end. Too bad he didn't rush after him with 5 or 10 seconds more. What could have happened...... But regardless   Yeah |
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Post by kimb0slic3 on Feb 21, 2010 13:57:16 GMT -5
Did anyone notice in the CRO COP fight he kept holding back?
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Post by ville on Feb 21, 2010 14:02:33 GMT -5
Did anyone notice in the CRO COP fight he kept holding back? I havent seen the fight but Mirko just kinda sucks now.......  and why do you capitilize everyones name? |
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Post by kimb0slic3 on Feb 21, 2010 14:04:05 GMT -5
Did anyone notice in the CRO COP fight he kept holding back? I havent seen the fight but Mirko just kinda sucks now....... and why do you capitilize everyones name? idk habit, and his stance isn't solid anymore either which played a part. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Feb 21, 2010 14:04:13 GMT -5
Did anyone notice in the CRO COP fight he kept holding back? Yeah I noticed that too. It wasn't until he had the guy cut and on the ground that he unleashed one of his hard lefts. He had that fight the whole time. He was pressing forward the whole time and the other guy just wanted to take him down for most of the fight. Cro Cop ate these kind of fighters for lunch years ago. Now that fire is gone. I can't blame him for wanting to kind of play it safe though. He couldn't lose, but he didn't win in spectacular fashion. |
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Post by kimb0slic3 on Feb 21, 2010 14:05:25 GMT -5
Did anyone notice in the CRO COP fight he kept holding back? Yeah I noticed that too. It wasn't until he had the guy cut and on the ground that he unleashed one of his hard lefts. He had that fight the whole time. He was pressing forward the whole time and the other guy just wanted to take him down for most of the fight. Cro Cop ate these kind of fighters for lunch years ago. Now that fire is gone. I can't blame him for wanting to kind of play it safe though. He couldn't lose, but he didn't win in spectacular fashion. yeah it kinda sucks, i miss the old mirko and now i guess nog 2. |
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Post by Bob Sapp on Feb 21, 2010 17:13:52 GMT -5
Mirko had every right to hold back in that fight. First off, he was fighting a guy on 2 days notice, and on top of that, he was fighting a guy with AWESOME ground skills, and I am sure he was hesitating because of the takedown. He still showed VERY, VERY good takedown defense like he always does. As for Silva.... He looked good. Maybe not what I WANTED him to look like, but still looked great. The submission attempt seriously had me going nuts at the TV. That would have been crazy to see Silva win by submission. But I thought he won the fight for sure. He was taken down a few times, but he couldn't be held down for long. Glad he got the win. As for Nogueira... I really have no idea what to say but:  . |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Feb 21, 2010 18:50:08 GMT -5
No way did Silva win all three rounds - Bisping easily won the first round. I only got 5 fights right...oh well. I'm pretty down to see Nog lose but I'm completely ecstatic that Wanderlei won. Hopefully this proves by now that Bisping can't hang with the big dogs. Has he ever won a fight over a guy with a name? The UFC needs to keep him as their golden boy for the UK shows and continue having him fight guys that aren't anywhere close to being top 10 ranked. He just went three rounds with Silva and lost a close fight, so yeah, I think he just proved he can hang with the big dogs. got back from the event wow what a experience it was so awesome the aussies went crazy for george wandy destroyed bisping and cain has arrived What fight were you watching? |
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Post by DWright on Feb 21, 2010 19:31:32 GMT -5
No way did Silva win all three rounds - Bisping easily won the first round. I only got 5 fights right...oh well. I'm pretty down to see Nog lose but I'm completely ecstatic that Wanderlei won. Hopefully this proves by now that Bisping can't hang with the big dogs. Has he ever won a fight over a guy with a name? The UFC needs to keep him as their golden boy for the UK shows and continue having him fight guys that aren't anywhere close to being top 10 ranked. He just went three rounds with Silva and lost a close fight, so yeah, I think he just proved he can hang with the big dogs. got back from the event wow what a experience it was so awesome the aussies went crazy for george wandy destroyed bisping and cain has arrived What fight were you watching? I understand if you're a Bisping fan, but you're in complete denial if you think Bisping is in the top echelon of MW or will ever hold the title. He's EXTREMELY over rated, not very well rounded, and to be honest, not very good. He's been spoon-fed wins (including handed a victory of Hamill) and when it comes to beating someone of real talent, he folds. |
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Post by legendary123 on Feb 21, 2010 19:50:19 GMT -5
No way did Silva win all three rounds - Bisping easily won the first round. I only got 5 fights right...oh well. I'm pretty down to see Nog lose but I'm completely ecstatic that Wanderlei won. Hopefully this proves by now that Bisping can't hang with the big dogs. Has he ever won a fight over a guy with a name? The UFC needs to keep him as their golden boy for the UK shows and continue having him fight guys that aren't anywhere close to being top 10 ranked. He just went three rounds with Silva and lost a close fight, so yeah, I think he just proved he can hang with the big dogs. got back from the event wow what a experience it was so awesome the aussies went crazy for george wandy destroyed bisping and cain has arrived What fight were you watching? Somebody seems to be a Bisbing fan....you just bashed 3 comments/opinions all because they were negative and MOSTLY factual about your boy Bisbing. I don't know what fight you were watching but Silva had his number. Ill give you that Bisbing won the first round....but it takes at least 2 of 3 to win the fight last time I checked and Silva actually took the first round because of the last 10 seconds...that's all it takes in the judges eyes. Yes Bisbing gave a great effort and yes he had some nice shots but he lost composure at the end of all 3 rounds. I mean he knew Silva would flood him at the end with all he had and Bisbing did nothing to stop any of them and almost got choked out and knocked out if it wasn't for the bell. There was very good argument that the fight could have been stopped with 1 second left as a TKO stoppage. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Feb 22, 2010 1:25:23 GMT -5
No way did Silva win all three rounds - Bisping easily won the first round. He just went three rounds with Silva and lost a close fight, so yeah, I think he just proved he can hang with the big dogs. What fight were you watching? I understand if you're a Bisping fan, but you're in complete denial if you think Bisping is in the top echelon of MW or will ever hold the title. He's EXTREMELY over rated, not very well rounded, and to be honest, not very good. He's been spoon-fed wins (including handed a victory of Hamill) and when it comes to beating someone of real talent, he folds. I didn't say he was - and no I don't think he will win the title. I didn't even expect him to beat Silva, but he was by no means "destroyed". |
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Post by Sandy on Feb 22, 2010 1:57:52 GMT -5
don't get me wrong....Bisping looks f***ing awesome against cans...I mean he throws flying knees and all kinds of crazy sh**...
but lets look at his track record against tougher opponents...
Rashad Evans....lost a decision
Dan Henderson....Got knocked the f*** out.
Wanderlei Silva...was in trouble at the end of each round, lost by decision.
hell we can even dip into the guys he faced who aren't even top 10 but he still had trouble with...
Matt Hamill...won a bullsh** decision even though Hamill rocked him and pretty much controlled the fight.
Chris Leben.... chose the "hit once and run for 2 and half minutes" method to win...and NO that is not being "elusive". Elusive imo is what Anderson Silva does...Anderson presses the action the entire fight but yet his opponents are still able to connect. Running around the octagon is not being elusive. Not to mention when Leben put down his hands and let Bisping unload shot after shot and it did NOTHING to Leben....yeah, so much for KO Power.
He will never be in the top 5 MW's of the UFC. He is beyond overrated.
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 22, 2010 14:57:50 GMT -5
don't get me wrong....Bisping looks f***ing awesome against cans...I mean he throws flying knees and all kinds of crazy sh**... but lets look at his track record against tougher opponents... Rashad Evans....lost a decision Dan Henderson....Got knocked the f*** out. Wanderlei Silva...was in trouble at the end of each round, lost by decision. hell we can even dip into the guys he faced who aren't even top 10 but he still had trouble with... Matt Hamill...won a bullsh** decision even though Hamill rocked him and pretty much controlled the fight. Chris Leben.... chose the "hit once and run for 2 and half minutes" method to win...and NO that is not being "elusive". Elusive imo is what Anderson Silva does...Anderson presses the action the entire fight but yet his opponents are still able to connect. Running around the octagon is not being elusive. Not to mention when Leben put down his hands and let Bisping unload shot after shot and it did NOTHING to Leben....yeah, so much for KO Power. He will never be in the top 5 MW's of the UFC. He is beyond overrated. You know, I don't think anyone can dispute anything that you said above. But as far as Leben goes, kid got his azz kicked, call a spade a spade. And as far as Silva is concerned, he effectively stole rounds at the end, round 1, 2, & 3 he stole them at the end, up until the 4:50 mark the rounds were either Bisping's or to even to call. He but he put Michael in danger at the end of 2 & 3 big time. |
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Post by moogie101 on Feb 23, 2010 14:43:04 GMT -5
I'm a Bisping fan & after his impressive performance beating Kang I thought he'd turned a corner & put the Hendo KO behind him.
However against Wandy he was tentative & clearly gunshy.
He did nothing to show that he can hang with the top guys in the division.
Leites went five rounds with Anderson, did that prove he can hang with the top guys??
Bisping will al;ways look good against lesser level fighters but has shown he can't cut it in the upper levels.
Really I can't see him against Maia, Marquardt, Sonnen, Okami & obviously not Anderson. As a result where does this leave him??
Moving on, how great did Cain look, simply stunning performance.
Bader also came through his first serious test & I will admit to cheering as Jardine got KO'd
Crocop was measured & careful, but against a talented submissions guy can hardly blame him, the important thing was the win.
Lytle hit that sweet kneebar from nowhere just as I was expecting the usual slugfest, great job.
Plus George won, Joe couldn't stand with him & wanted no part of trading submissions so was inbetween a rock & a hard place really
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Post by Greensborohill on Feb 23, 2010 15:51:29 GMT -5
I'm a Bisping fan & after his impressive performance beating Kang I thought he'd turned a corner & put the Hendo KO behind him. However against Wandy he was tentative & clearly gunshy.
He did nothing to show that he can hang with the top guys in the division.
Leites went five rounds with Anderson, did that prove he can hang with the top guys??Bisping will al;ways look good against lesser level fighters but has shown he can't cut it in the upper levels. Really I can't see him against Maia, Marquardt, Sonnen, Okami & obviously not Anderson. As a result where does this leave him?? Moving on, how great did Cain look, simply stunning performance. Bader also came through his first serious test & I will admit to cheering as Jardine got KO'd Crocop was measured & careful, but against a talented submissions guy can hardly blame him, the important thing was the win. Lytle hit that sweet kneebar from nowhere just as I was expecting the usual slugfest, great job. Plus George won, Joe couldn't stand with him & wanted no part of trading submissions so was inbetween a rock & a hard place really Maybe he doesn't ever "hang" with top guys. I think the question to ask is, is Wand still a top guy. Bisping was in each round he was going about it in a Rashad type fashion (scoring takedowns) but I can easily see how a judge could make the justification that he was winning each round up until the last few seconds of each. That being said, Bisping has nobody to blame but himself. If he was aggressive like he was in the Kang fight (and to be honest Kang atleast used to be a top flight guy) and not let the judges have to make the call or atleast make the rounds more decisive he wouldn't be walking around a loser right now. Plus, I found it interesting that Rogan noticed that Bisping wasn't stepping into his punches, which he thinks is the main reason for no real power being behind them. |
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